I’m afraid that it would take some serious rotoscoping to fix the greenscreen effect, and even then it might not be perfect.
Just as a test, here’s the beginning of the sail barge sequence with flipped shots put back:
It’s more jarring than the original, without a doubt. Although, I do like that Mark Hamill’s face is flipped back to normal now. I think that’s the main giveaway.
Can’t say I found any issue with those shots flipped back, I followed along fine with where the barge was heading and the other ships location to it.
I believe that because we are so familiar with these scenes we feel like we can follow it fine with shots flipped back, but that’s like being able to walk along a well-known trail without having to watch every step we make because we’ve walked it so often.
If the movie were released with those shots unflipped, it would have hurt more than helped upon a first viewing.
A great example of showing how important the 180 degree rule is, is to watch the “film” that plays at the end of Super 8, the one made by the kid characters. There are intentional breaks of the 180 rule to make it feel like a true amateur film made by kids.
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I don’t think these flipped shots were being pointed out as needing to be flipped back, but that certain elements in the shots can be corrected.
That’s my take on it, but I know a lot of people who never heard of the rule would jump to the conclusion of flipping it back, thinking that is the only way to fix it. Just wanted to explain it a bit to spread awareness. 😃
Most common reason a shot is flipped is to avoid breaking the 180 degree rule.
This is never the fault of the editor, as they have to work with the footage they have in order to make a scene work shot-to-shot. Breaking the 180 degree rule is far worse for flow of a scene than a reversed image, hence why they tend to pop up a lot in many movies. We only notice them more in Star Wars because we observe them repeatedly, much more than any other film.
I would not be opposed to seeing the deleted scenes restored and put into the missing places in the film.
For all the great counterpoints to why they should remain cut, I have to agree.
Ironically, I DO wish to see at least one shot of the Falcon turret gun operators added in during the battle. One could argue they are the least necessary of the deleted scenes, but I feel it lets us see the inside of the turrets again, and shows another rebel playing his part in the fight, and reminds us that the Falcon takes a team effort to be useful in a fight.
RE :Self Reporting, I’m pretty sure if you sent a PM to a moderator requesting to be banned your wishes would be granted 😃
This is as much for AR:SE as for ROTJ:R, what with Rogue One having very polished reflective floors in key rooms is it possible or desirable to do something similar for Death Star interiors in other films?
The floors are quite reflective in both films but not to the same mirror effect of Rogue One and I quite liked the effect. It makes the rooms look other worldly and obsessively sterile and buffed. So many OT Death Star sets have dents and scratches and scuff marks. Jedi has some very tatty cobbled together sets which are kind of forgivable for the Rebels but not so much for the Empire.
Wouldn’t we need actual reflections of EVERYTHING to make the floor reflective?
Not necessarily accurate reflections. There is a loss of resolution with any reflective surface. What it would take would be someone to make a sample of what is already reflected, Create an abstract reconstruction of the reflection with a bit more detail and blend that with a black background and then rotoscope around the existing surface. It wouldn’t be a perfect mirror but it would be closer to the Rogue One look. Though it would also be a lot of hard work 😄
Eh, I can’t speak for ANH, but at least in ROTJ it can be assumed that it’s still a place under construction and they haven’t gotten around to polishing the floors yet. 😉
Nice, this is the first I’m hearing of this. I keep the first two Harry Potters permanently in my annual Potter marathon. Will be cool to see this one too.
“…the story really is of a primitive society–apparently a weak society–who is able to overcome a very technological society.” GL.
Asymmetric warfare is what Lucas is touching upon with the Ewoks vs Stormtroopers (and a powerful and pertinent lesson that is, as we’ve seen in the past decades with the West struggling to combat the Taliban and Al Quaeda), but the fact that they are the “best” troops is actually neither here nor there. You can remove the declaration that they are the “best” elite legion of Stormtroopers and the sequence still admirably achieves the intended goal.
Adding more firepower to the Rebel Strike team actually would water down that intention.
The Ewoks water themselves down if anything. I think this is the reason Ady plans to remove the sillier aspects of the Ewoks during the battle. Less is more with them as characters.
Adding more rebels wouldn’t necessarily dilute their impact, especially if in the new footage they were mostly losing to the Empire. That’s what I would like to see, as it would make the Stormtroopers look like an actual threat before they are defeated.
I remember an early suggestion for ROTJ:R being that to sell the size of the new Death Star by not having it be the first image you see, but rather something built up to, by first showing Vader’s Star Destroyer which then gets a shadow over it, cutting to the reveal of the Death Star dwarfing the ship in scope.
This was posted long before Star Wars went to Disney, so Rogue One hadn’t done a similar idea yet. The idea could still be used here, and using Vader’s ship could make it unique.
Back to the topic at hand:
Are you planning on replacing Artoo’s beeps? He sounds nothing in ROTJ like he does in any of the other films and it annoys the shit out of me every time I watch the movie.
THANK YOU!!! I brought this up in another thread once and was basically told I was insane and R2 sounded fine and that nothing was different from the other movies.
First post in this thread… exciting in a way, since it’s so nice to finally see the ROTJ:R thread officially exist!
My first few suggestions (of many, maybe?) is to include the turret operators in the Falcon during the big battle.
An idea I had a long time back was to have a long shot with no cuts showing the Falcon flying through the battle, shooting down Ties and such, while dodging fire from enemy ships. It would be similar in style to the intro scene of Anakin and Obi Wan entering the Coruscant battle in ROTS. This would be an epic way to showcase that Lando is a helluva pilot in his own right and that he knows that ship as well, if not better, than Han. It could end with a cut to Lando in the cockpit pointing out that the Star Destroyers aren’t firing.
I wonder if it would work better if Luke only said.
“There it is”
Just a small thought. Perhaps that would establish it better as a hidden strange world nameless and unchartered in the Dagobah system?
Dagobah star system…
But Obi Wan called it Dagobah by name when he came to Luke on Hoth. The name is established. It would be rather difficult to change his dialogue, and even if it could, I feel Ady would be moving away from doing a superior special edition and ESB:R would start becoming a different beast altogether, along the lines of a new fanedit.
Forgive me if I sound crazy about this, I swear I’m not lol. I remember a couple years ago watching breath smoke test for the the first few minutes of dialogue on Hoth. I thought it was a cool new effect and added a sense of coldness to Hoth. It was on Youtube. I assume it got taken down due to copyright. I was expecting when first watching ESB:R then nothing. So I was just wondering if anyone know’s why this didn’t make the cut, or maybe it was for another fan edit ? Other then that it was amazing through and through. 9 years of work defiantly paid off and it showed.
I remember that too. You’re not crazy! I too wonder why this wasn’t used, but also have no problem with it not being added. It is only because I learned that when you are in Antartica, you do NOT have a cold breath due to how dry it actually is down there, despite being surrounded by ice and snow. I just take that into consideration when thinking about which climate on Earth is most like what Hoth must be like, and then the lack of breath doesn’t bother me.
Overthinking it? Yeah, maybe I am, but it keeps me from being disappointed in the lack of the breath effect.
Darth Hade said:
Is anyone keeping track of any boo-boos found so far so that Ady doesn’t have to search the whole thread?
I haven’t see it yet, but I saw some posts elsewhere that was saying the volume was going high to low in scene between Ozzel and Piett and some scenes between Leia and Han on the Millennium Falcon.
Any one else notice this, or is it b.s.?
The only thing that really bothers me at all is that Wedge’s speeder has a shadow when it first starts circling the AT-ATs legs, then in the wide shot it lacks a shadow entirely.
It is literally the only thing I have found so far (out of a meager four viewings). Other than that, it looks and sounds great on my setup.
Hate to point out stuff, but I may as well…
If there is one thing that threw me off, it’s that Wedge’s speeder, while circling the AT-AT, still doesn’t always have a shadow. In his first turn around the legs you see one, including a shadow for the cable, but after that his shadow disappears entirely.
Small nitpick but Vader’s lightsaber striking the floor in the duel still doesn’t sound like what a lightsaber sounds like when it hits other surfaces like walls and such. The added flash looked great though!
I’ve watched it three times already, and just can’t get enough!!!
Thank you for your time and effort in bringing this edit to life. I’m fully aware of the amount of time it took to make it possible, and the hundreds or more of complaints from many of us over how long it was taking. All that is behind you and the grateful and ungrateful alike can happily watch it and be in awe.
Having now watched it, I can say how glad I am for avoiding the clips released over the last 4-5 years and just letting it all be new to me. Damnit I couldn’t be more impressed! Bravo on what you have achieved, and you have certainly raised the bar on what a fanedit can be. Return of the Jedi has a LOT to live up to, I would say!
Again, thank you. I look forward to the blu-ray special features!
ANH:R is the ONLY version of the film I will watch.
I am EAGERLY looking forward to having ESB:R being the ONLY version I wish to watch.
And I saw both of them in the theaters when they were released in '77 and '80. Saw ANH on July 3rd 77 and the very first noon showing on May 21st 1980. Been to every first showing since.
Thanks for recreating the look, excitement and hype Ady!
I’m totally with this guy. The only version I show to people I know who haven’t seen it, or want to see it again after not seeing it in years, is ANH:R. And the first theatrical film I was brought to was Empire in 1980. I was 4 and remember a lot of it. My second theatrical movie was “Popeye” with Robin Williams in December of that year and I’m still waiting for Adywan to make Popeye: Revisited. 😕
Well, if we’re gonna start hoping for childhood films to get the Revisited treatment, I’ll throw Aliens into the hat for consideration! Saw it at age 5 in the cinema, and as far as I know, it was the first movie I saw that way.
But anyway… I’m waiting on Ronster to drop a mind-blowing last second suggestion that will stop the countdown and make Ady go back to the drawing board like Wile E. Coyote!
The release is near and I still exist, therefore I am happy.
Not entirely convinced that the IV is a countdown, due to the time between posts. Hoping very much for IV Revisited HD, but at the same time don’t want to get my hopes up TOO MUCH…
Bring it on, Ady.
PUBLIC SERVICE COMMENT: Since Adywan didn’t set a date, but a month… we should all assume the date is June 30th. Then we can all be surprised if it hits earlier. 😃
Do I dare comply with this logical post and practice that thing called patience, as opposed to doing what others have done and react with an incredible amount of self-centered privilege and entitlement???
Tune in June 30th or maybe sooner for… no. I’m just gonna wait, nothing more, nothing less. 😃
Appreciate any update at all. Thanks.
I haven’t posted here in ages it seems like. How the hell is everyone? Glad to see ESB:R is still in the cards and might even be nearing release soon-ish!
So, is there still going to be a list of names added to the end credits? If I’m not mistaken, I tried and successfully made the list, but I can never be too sure.
Wow! With a lineup like that in ADDITION to Dark_Jedi??? As if I didn’t already look forward to Team Blu projects enough already.
Can’t wait to see what can be done with a team like this.
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She was in ROTS played by the same actress wearing different clothes.
The prequel trilogy is stupid.
Again, I suppose there’s some “logical” explanation why Mon Mothma does not appear at the Death Star attack run briefing, does not appear as the attack on the Death Star is unfolding, does not appear at the medal ceremony, does not appear anywhere on Hoth…
But now, hey! She’s hanging out in a leadership role in the Rebel alliance in a movie scene that predates the 1977 movie.
Disney did not waste any money on continuity experts.
Maybe she leaves to Coruscant after the battle. Maybe she’s requested for an emergency session of the Imperial Senate where some good old Emperor decides that due to the Empire being attacked it is about time to dissolve the Congress. Maybe.
But that’s just what I would have done to solve the continuity issue. Perhaps they just do not care.
Disney/Lucasfilm and Star Wars. Not to be confused with Fox and X-Men.
I can’t help but feel like adding the bunk is a change for the sake of change. Like the Jedi Rocks number. There’s nothing wrong with assuming that there were a few changes made to the Falcon in the 31 years between Episodes V and VII.
I don’t really think it’s fair to compare a background bunk that most people won’t notice to something like Jedi Rocks, which replaced almost an entire scene with CGI and a new song.
The Falcon gets a makeover…
I was wondering if the lights would be changed or not. I grew up with ESB more than ANH so I preferred the blue lights more, but since seeing TFA, I was starting to hope ESB would get green lights to stay consistent between the 3 films that show the Falcon’s hallways. Looks nice, Ady!
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