nightstalkerpoet

By never showing that the twins are born at the end of RotS, and never showing that Anakin lives (nor naming his as vader), it ultimately does preserve the secret.

Plus, it adds another surprise when suddenly, Luke Skywalker is ALIVE on Tatooine. Someone new to the movies might actually truly be surprised.

By removing "a young jedi named Darth Vader" and simply cutting it as "a young jedi, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil" we never have it confirmed that Vader has anything to do with Anakin at all. Thus, when the Vader/Obi-Wan battle takes place, it could very easily be some other grudge from Obi's past (such as another apprentice?). 

In the ESB:R thread I suggested an added scene at the end of ANH that plays out like this:

Vader's ship lands on Coruscant at the end of ANH, and seeing him on a landing platform speaking to someone of importance (no clue who) would be a really nice tie in and look pretty cool

"Lord Vader"

"Yes, commander?"

"We have the name of the Rebel Pilot responsible for the destruction of the Death Star"

"What is it (What is his name)?"

"Luke Skywalker, my lord. It appears that he may be the son of Anakin Skywalker."

"That... is impossible"

"I believed all traces of Skywalker were eliminated with the rest of the Jedi."

"As did I commander... as... did... I..."

This now has the first-time viewer torn. The battle with Obi-Wan made us think it's Anakin... but this scene at the end makes it sound like someone else (since Vader is speaking as if it is about someone else).

Ultimately, rearranging in this way does preserve (and add to, in certain ways) the surprises of the OT. Of course it will never perfectly fix the surprise at the end of ESB, but I think it's about as close as you can get.

timdiggerm said:

Ender, nightstalk,

While that's the obvious answer, it means you can't show Ani's death. No lava fight, no explanation for how he ended up so scarred, no nothing.

The whole thing will have to be reworked. You remove Palpatine actually naming Anakin "Darth Vader". You give the impression that Anakin dies on Mustafar. By showing the battle and having him "die" without Palpatine showing up, you can just assume Vader is the new villain of the film, in the same way that Maul and Dooku and Grievous were. You also have to cut most of the tying up stuff. I'm almost thinking you could show Yoda arriving on Dagobah, and end with Padme's funeral procession. If you add Obi-Wan to Padme's funeral, you tie up the fate of everyone you think is alive. 

You could also change up Obi-Wan's line from "a young Jedi named Darth vader, who was..." to "a young jedi, who as a pupil of mine...

ImperialFighter said:

To be honest, I have the same problem with this, and was happy to wait until adywan's own future 'official' REVISITED threads, purely so that any good ideas didn't get scattered and lost over *too many* threads

 

I definitely understand your concerns, and this may not be for everybody. I'm simply trying to offer an outlet for some pent up revisited hype in the final stages of ESB:R where group discussion/input is generally finished. I also have to say that I have really wanted to discuss PT:R for a long time... and having started keeping tabs on these edits at 18, it's seems strange to not discuss the ones I'm really interested in until I'm almost 30...

If Ady requests it, I'm perfectly happy asking a mod to obliterate this whole thread.

Serling1979 said:

I always liked the idea of a second apprentice. It would keep the whole who killed whom story a lot more ambiguous and would make a great reveal in ESB.

The good thing is that the PT offers a lot of potential for these changes. It might sound crazy but we see Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan because we saw the movies.

Ewan and Alec resemble each other but what if Qui-Gon never existed. What if Liam Neeson played Obi-Wan and Ewan and Hayden would play Ani and Darth, respectively. There aren't enough scenes with Liam Neeson in the Episode 1 and it would take a lot of redubs of scenes with Ewan and Hayden to make them totally new characters.

It would be a lot of work but the interaction between the two actors is already there. You would just need to change the tone of the scenes and what the scenes are about. The visual clumsiness of the PT (Obi-Wan=light colored clothes=good guy and Ani=dark colored clothes=bad guy) could be turned into something really symbolic.

What do you think? 

I don't really think that Vader as the other apprentice works. It's too clear cut. I think the group of apprentices works best - perhaps show Obi-Wan training a group of jedi. Maybe he could be watching lightsaber training from the top of an arena while talking to Anakin?

Another idea might be to establish "vader" as a term referring to someone who has left the jedi order. I know it sounds strange, but it might play out nicely. The title Darth Vader would then literally translate to "a sith lord who abandoned the jedi".

Yeah... actually kinda amusing that came up. it's like the only thing I responded to on that thread.

How do people feel about splitting up the prequel films. Should Revisited be a reworking of the 3 films with the storylines they have, or should they be combined together into one Revisited Prequel film, or Two Prequel films using the best elements of all three?

I think the only reason it really works is because when Obi-Wan says "a pupil of mine" about Darth Vader it gives the impression that he trained multiple people.

I'm not sure it would be possible to add another apprentice. The only thing I see it working for is to show that Anakin is truly a full fledged jedi. Having him and Obi-Wan working together at the beginning of RotS was a missed opportunity to see Anakin acting on his own. When you keep seeing them together, you start to doubt Anakin's ability to ever strike out on his own.

Alright, I'm going to bite the bullet here and attempt to start this... if it fails, it fails...

This thread is intended to be a discussion of any ideas that you have for the entirety of Adywan's REVISITED SAGA. If you have an idea of what to do in the PT:R, feel free to post it. An idea for a change in ANH:R:SE, great. If you have an idea of something to change in in ROTS that will effect something in ESB and require you to change something else in RotJ for it to work... That's the sort of thing I think would be great to talk about.

I understand there are plenty of discussions of what people would like to be changed in ANY fanedit, but I think that everyone has a slightly different view of how they'd like the Revisited edits to turn out. Some radical ideas like removing the Ewoks altogether might make for a fun edit that I'd love to see... but it's not something I'm looking for in Revisited. For a lot of us, each Revisited edit will replace the official as the version that we watch - and so a lot of us have higher expectations, and certain things we'd like kept in for nostalgia, despite certain negative aspects.

I sincerely hope that I don't offend anyone that is a part of Adywan's Revisited Project by starting this thread. I'm just eager for something new to talk about as I wait for ESB:R.

Let the discussion begin:

A part of me would love to see Ewan McGregor's mole added to Alec Guinness in the OT. A small change that doesn't detract from the film, but does add a nice bit of continuity. Keep in mind that when Ady is done with the Prequels, we probably WON'T hate them, and will enjoy the continuity, as opposed to hating anything that connects the originals to the blasphemy that is the PT.

Here's my reasoning for a single "Revisited Thread"

A discussion about Han Solo's character arc takes place, focused on ESB:R. However, after discussing "I Love You" "I know" for two pages... we move into a discussion of Greedo shooting first and why that's wrong... but, should that conversation carry on for more than half a page... someone pops up (and... per forum rules, rightfully so) and says wrong thread for this discussion... Which means everyone involved in the discussion now has to switch threads to carry on a conversation. They then have to check back to the original thread to check the start of the conversation they were having, before popping back to the new thread to respond.... It makes things difficult.

Can someone actually involved in the project start a "Revisited Saga" thread? I feel awkward doing it because it's not mine to start... but it gets hard to "stay on topic" because the current revisited thread seems to be the home for all Revisited Saga discussion. It's seems strange to jump halfway through a discussion to a different thread that arguably way fewer people check on a regular basis... 

See, I can handle it either way.

In the end, it comes down to the fact that ANH was filmed as a single standalone film, where ESB and RotJ were both filmed knowing they were a part of a trilogy. Considering the fact that ESB is most people's favorite of the films, I don't think that it would be awful to alter the end of ANH to flow into ESB.

By ending ANH with Vader's revelation that Luke is alive, ESB with Luke's revelation that Vader is his father, and RotJ with the redemption, you keep with a common theme. If anything, it would strengthen the connection between the films. And in doing so, also strengthen the connection to the PT. Considering Ady is planning on doing all 6 films in an attempt to bring them closer together, I think this could work really well towards that goal.

I know that this would indeed cause rioting... but I have to say that watching Vader's ship land on Coruscant at the end of ANH, and seeing him on a landing platform speaking to someone of importance (no clue who) would be a really nice tie in and look pretty cool

"Lord Vader"

"Yes, commander?"

"We have the name of the Rebel Pilot responsible for the destruction of the Death Star"

"What is it (What is his name)?"

"Luke Skywalker, my lord. It appears that he may be the son of Anakin Skywalker."

"That... is impossible"

"I believed all traces of Skywalker were eliminated with the rest of the Jedi."

"As did I commander... as... did... I..."

AD1 sounds like a steak sauce :P

I think on a certain level it works better to go with "Adywan Productions", especially because the films are made by "Lucasfilm". There are so many people involved, but George Lucas was the man in charge - the name was derived from the man with the vision.

I happen to enjoy the parallel :) 

I definitely wouldn't mind those added shots though ;) I bet Ady could make this look good.

I have to say... the Mr. Adrian thing is driving me nuts. :P

Faneditors have secret identities. It's like seeing Superman saving the world and saying "It's a bird, it's a plane. No, it's Mr. Kent!" There's just something not right with that statement.

On these boards, when he is discussing edits, he is Adywan, savior of Star Wars.

I wouldn't view it as "how much work has gone into it"... though, the use of time actively working on it might be a good projection for how long the other edits take. But ultimately, a little piece of me hopes simultaneously that it will all be done asap, and that it never ends. I love having something to look forward to, especially something as amazing as this...

fgqb#19nyj said:

 

Sir, you may want to see a doctor about that. You're shooting blanks...

One thing that might help with the rest of the revisited projects is the fact that all of the video sources for RotJ and the PT will be available from the start. Remember that Ady got the hdtv source right near the end of completing ANH:R, and the Bluray source was released halfway through ESB:R. Should shave off a few months :)

I like a second hamburger on top of my first one. Does that count as a topping?

I actually prefer an "aged Hayden" approach for the end of jedi... thus my avatar :) 

From what I understand, Ady has somebody else with more experience render his 3D stuff. So a nice idea, but unnecessary. :)

Cutting out the Gungans completely is actually quite easy. Just remove every scene they are in. They are only mentioned in one other scene that they don't appear in - when Jar Jar and Padme talk. That scene can also be cut as it is no longer necessary. Jar Jar is simply left on Coruscant before the climax :D

My belief here is that the whole concept should be taken even further. After the lights surge and Mace is flung out the window, I think the room should be left in near darkness for the rest of the scene - the lightning having overloaded the electronics and blown out the light bulbs. So you see the reveal illuminated by the lightning, but don't see his deformed face in full until you see him in the Senate. This also adds an extra visual representation that the darkness has descended upon Anakin.

Any visual comparison coming for this clip? :)

^ and smoke a pipe ;)

Funny how the article bashes blinking Ewoks but fails to mention Ady's cantina scene or blinking Yoda.

Yoda blinks naturally, with a slight face scrunch, etc... Ewoks just do the creepy eye thing.

Though, if you pay attention to the article, it does say that many people would be pissed off if Lucas made the same changes as Ady, which would include those things.