georgec

When the 2006 dvds came out I committed to not buying them because it was another cash grab. Now I'm trying to track down some copies for myself. I found ESB and ROTJ brand new at a local used record/cd/dvd store for $15 each. I may go back and pick them up, but for some reason I still feel that I've bought enough SW home releases and that having torrents of the UOT burned to dvds will be good enough.

JohnStewart said:

georgec said:

He's been stalking me and quoting my posts for a few days. It's probably best to ignore him, as it's clear he hasn't made an effort to understand a very simple point demonstrated by Lucas putting prequel content in the originals, focusing the movie names on "episode #" rather than main title, etc.

I could very well ask this guy to prove that George Lucas only wants people to accept the prequels as part of the saga instead of liking them as much as the originals. Could he prove it? Nope. Hopefully this poster stops spamming the thread with his redundant, illogical statements and petty squabbling over semantics.

That's because he is Beast.

Blu-ray.com apologists have entered the forum. Blu-ray.com apologists have enter---**krrkrkrkrrrrkrkr**

Baronlando said:

Alexrd said:

How is adding assets to the trilogy an attempt to convince people to love/like the prequels? There is a difference between accepting the prequels as part of the saga, and convince people to love them. That's why I keep asking for a source from your assumtion, because that's what it is.

What are you, a star wars lawyer?

He's been stalking me and quoting my posts for a few days. It's probably best to ignore him, as it's clear he hasn't made an effort to understand a very simple point demonstrated by Lucas putting prequel content in the originals, focusing the movie names on "episode #" rather than main title, etc.

I could very well ask this guy to prove that George Lucas only wants people to accept the prequels as part of the saga instead of liking them as much as the originals. Could he prove it? Nope. Hopefully this poster stops spamming the thread with his redundant, illogical statements and petty squabbling over semantics.

Alexrd said:

georgec said:

That's why you won't convince us to ever love the prequels.

I get the joke, but I have to ask (again) where did you got that idea from? When has he ever tried to convince anyone to love any of his movies?

I've already answered this question previously despite your obstinate refusal to understand a clear, simple point. Other posters (Harmy, 005) have chimed in, too, so I won't repeat myself. Hopefully you can figure it out on your own.

The only function this week's headlines about the changes have served is to remind casual fans that SW is coming on blu and that they should buy it. I'd be willing to bet that for every canceled preorder there are two or three new buyers, preorder or release day. No publicity like bad publicity. Darth Beard wins again.

DARTH BEARD
The apologist fanbase has been expecting you.

FANS
We know, George.

DARTH BEARD
So, you have accepted the truth.

FANS
We've accepted the truth that you were once George Lucas, an independent visionary.

DARTH BEARD
That name no longer has any meaning for me.

FANS
It is the name of your true self. You've only forgotten. We know there is integrity in you. The greed, arrogance, and senility haven't driven it from you fully. That is why you couldn't destroy the OT negatives. That's why you won't convince us to ever love the prequels.

DARTH BEARD
I see you have constructed a new anti-revision movement. Your skills are complete. Indeed, you are powerful, as the apologists have foreseen.

FANS
Come with us.

DARTH BEARD
Gary, Irvin, Marcia, Lawrence, Howard, and Richard once thought as you do. You don't know the power of greed and arrogance. I must obey my inflated ego.

FANS
We will not turn...and you'll be forced to completely ruin the OT.

DARTH BEARD
If that is your destiny.

FANS
Search your feelings, George. You can't do this. We feel the conflict within you. Let go of your arrogance.

DARTH BEARD
It is too late for me, guys. The apologists and prequel lovers will show you the true nature of the tired, diluted, worn out Star Wars saga. They are the true fans now.

FANS
Then Star Wars is truly dead.

I don't say this lightly - the fatal flaw is that they were written and directed by George Lucas.

Lucas is a fraud. The OT is great in spite of him. Marcia, Kurtz, Kasdan, Kazanjian, etc. are the real minds behind the OT's charm. George had the rough idea but those people made it happen. His ego has grown to the size of a planet over getting all the credit for SW.

Without any creative input or synergy, Lucas wrote a shitty first draft for each movie then filmed it. In the TPM documentary on the dvd you can see him looking at puppet models and telling the designers, "Oooh, I should write a character for this!"

The PT is inherently flawed because it had no reason to exist. In the end nothing happens. There's no tension. It's a shameless toy advertisement plugged with as many stupid looking aliens and weird robots as possible. There's no soul. There's no charm. Worse yet Lucas plagiarizes the OT incessantly because he is a shitty writer and has no original ideas. All the "poetry" and "rhyming" is him copying the work of better minds.

Holy hell these are hilarious - too many to link directly here.

Predictions for additional changes:

http://imgur.com/a/uKl8e

Something that bothers me is that every article about the recent revelations credits Devin Faraci for breaking the story. Umm...no. I recall one article (io9) crediting a couple forums, but other than that Faraci gets the nods. I know they can't mention forum posters or anything like that, but adywan and people on MillenniumFalcon.com are the ones who really blew this thing open.

I understand they can't mention illegal rips and whatnot in the articles, but I just wish they mentioned the forums where the stories broke rather than giving all credit to someone who probably received emails from the users in the forums then wrote his own story (after a couple other outlets already published stories).

Rabble rabble.

Gaffer Tape said:

I hope these leaked changes do lead to a significant loss of sales.  Because at the moment, all I can think of is that tweet Katie Lucas put out:  Haters are gonna hate, but, in the end, they're still going to buy it.  That's the (up until now extremely accurate) impression they have of us.  The fans will bitch and moan because that's what fans do.  The press will cover it.  But in the end it will still be the most successful Blu-ray release ever.  So why not keep making changes?  That's the mindset we have to squash because it gives them license to keep going, and it makes us look stupid.

Star Wars fans are the most self-loathing group I've ever known. They complain (rightfully) and bemoan how diluted and shitty the franchise has become, yet they continue to cling to every piece of scrap from Lucas' table because they need their SW fix. It's an unhealthy addiction.

I couldn't care less about the stupid Clone Wars cartoon or any other EU garbage. The comics and novels were fun in the 90s, but now there's so much crap out there it must feel like a chore just to keep up.

Yet, at the same time it does seem that if you sample people on the web who have spoken against the blu-ray, a majority of them have canceled their preorders or otherwise sworn off the set. This saga will sell because of people who don't follow these rumors and tidbits as closely as us, and they make up probably 95+% of the consumer base.

ChainsawAsh said:

Frankly, I don't know why people are so surprised.  This is 2004 all over again.  "Oh, come on, that's ridiculous, it can't be real!  It's someone's idea of a joke!  Wait .... what?  Seriously?  Oh dear God ... "

As soon as I saw the "Nooooo!" I immediately thought, "Well, here we go again."

I'll continue to uphold my pledge of never purchasing another Star Wars-related item after the 2006 GOUT DVDs, until the OOT is properly restored and released.

Now I'm just waiting for the deleted scenes to leak...well, and I guess TPM, cos I kinda want to see the new Yoda, as hypocritical as that sounds...

I only recently started posting here, but elsewhere I've been saying expect the worst for this release. We all knew Lucas could change things and that the same shitty 2004 Lowry transfers would be used as a source for the blu-ray master.

Despite that expectation it's still surprising to see how idiotic these changes are and interesting to wonder what is truly going on in Georgie boy's head (other than wads of cash).

I haven't bought anything SW-related since the 2004 shit dvds and the 2005 ROTS dvd. Hell, my only SW purchases since 2000 or so have been dvds. Before that I might have bought a comic book or two. I swore off the 2006 dvd before it came out because I knew the UOT would have shitty quality and Lucas was just punking the consumers into buying the same discs from 2004 all over again.

Lucas has been milking this cow for so long I'm amazed that there's any milk left or, rather, there are still people willing and able to suckle at the flannel, bearded teet.

I have my 1995 VHS set (P&S) and the 1997 Special Edition VHS (P&S). I wish I had bought widescreen back in the day. I'd love to get my hands on those 1993 Laserdiscs and a widescreen VHS from 1995.

TV's Frink said:

Watching the votes on the video has been fascinating.  Right now it's 6 up and 5 down, and I'm thinking, "who the hell here would be so bothered by this that they would vote it down?"  And then I checked the blu-ray.com forum, and I find out that georgec has reposted the clip there (in all fairness, because he liked it).

The funny thing is, I bet people over there think I'm a PT hater...and that's not even close to the truth.

 

Frink, you won the internet with that video. Sorry that I posted it in blu-ray.com without your permission. I can remove it if you'd like.

Before I posted it had 5 likes and 3 dislikes. I "liked" it. So maybe it ruffled a few feathers on the other forum.

Free Hat said:

generalfrevious said:

see you auntie said:

Why couldn't it be this guy instead:

"Nooo..... Noooooooooooooo!!!"

Katie Lucas said:

You're Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker.

Haters said:

Then I'll see you in hell!

 

Ironically, that circus trainer was more interesting than any PT character. 

Yeah, and his reaction to the Rancor's death had more emotional resonance  than anything in the prequels ... combined!

Maybe George gave Rancor Keeper some new dialogue in the upcoming blu-rays. Instead of looking sad and putting his arm around his buddy, he says, "Oh no! My rancor is dead. I am sad now. I am beginning to cry. I am also angry. Noooooo!" Really gives us insight into what the character is thinking, and it rhymes poetically with the prequels. Brilliant.

I would love if one day Gary Kurtz, Marcia Lucas, Howard Kazanjian, Lawrence Kasdan, and other significant creative forces behind the OT would just come together and speak out against these being "George's films."

adywan said:

georgec said:

R.e. Luke's "Father, please," that comes some moments before Darth's "Noo. Nooooo!" line. I haven't watched the rips, but based on previous versions of these movies it would not be necessary to remove Luke's line in order to add Vader's line. In other words, the order of lines/events in the original scene is:

"Father, please."

"Now, young Skywalker, you will die."

More force lightning.

Vader tosses Palps.

But, adywan and others have watched the rips, so if it's true then it makes no sense at all to me. Those two lines come at different moments.

no, it's his last plea "father" right before he pick up the emperor that is now almost gone because they have lowered the dialogue and drowned the remains of it underneath the first No.

Gotcha!

This has all been bittersweet for me. I'm glad the apologists are forced to deal with the reality of Lucas' greed and indifference to the integrity of these films, but those things still bother me a bit.

Matthew Wood and George Lucas are toasting glasses of blue milk with each other right now.

R.e. Luke's "Father, please," that comes some moments before Darth's "Noo. Nooooo!" line. I haven't watched the rips, but based on previous versions of these movies it would not be necessary to remove Luke's line in order to add Vader's line. In other words, the order of lines/events in the original scene is:

"Father, please."

"Now, young Skywalker, you will die."

More force lightning.

Vader tosses Palps.

But, adywan and others have watched the rips, so if it's true then it makes no sense at all to me. Those two lines come at different moments.

Well, in all this madness one thing is clear: Lucas has succeeded in making Star Wars relevant again, even if for a short amount of time.

It makes me think that if he released the UOT there'd have a nub nub type celebration instead of widespread outrage, leaks, forum posts, and even news stories on the new changes.

There's no publicity like bad publicity. 99% of consumers will buy this set because of the title on the box without having read any reviews or heard any rumors/confirmations of changes. I've even read many posts of people saying they'll get the set anyways because it's SW on blu.

Darth Lucas wins again. Noo. Noooooo!

WOW - my email inbox is flooded with updates on this thread. Is there any way to subscribe to a topic without receiving e-mail notifications?

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Our best hope is that some of GL's peers in the movie industry will start openly criticizing what he's doing... then the throngs of sheep might start bending back in the right direction.  Until then, I agree that there is no point in carrying any illusions that the general public will have the slightest appreciation of what is going on.

Spielberg said it best:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/49921

Steven Spielberg: George goes his own way and I respect him for it, but my new philosophy about this is to let sleeping dogs lie.

Quint: That’s great news for film geeks. Anybody who appreciates film, that's like music to their ears.

Steven Spielberg: When people ask me which E.T. they should look at, I always tell them to look at the original 1982 E.T. If you notice, when we did put out E.T. we put out two E.T.s. We put out the digitally enhanced version with the additional scenes and for no extra money, in the same package, we put out the original ‘82 version. I always tell people to go back to the ’82 version.

Quint: Having the option is the big deal for me. Using the Star Wars example, I don’t think there’d be an outcry if we could watch a nice transfer of the original versions. We’d be like, “George can do what he wants and I’ll watch it… but you know maybe the fans would like the option of watching the movie they fell in love with, too.”

Steven Spielberg: Yeah. And I think the other good thing is that they understand when they see a movie and they suddenly see something that could have been done much better today and could have been corrected in the DVD/Blu-Ray transfer, they really appreciate seeing the strings attached.

If somebody put out George Pal’s War of the Worlds and took the strings off the machines I’d be very upset. When that machine crashes in downtown Hollywood, and you see the strings going from taut to slack, that’s the thing that allows me to both understand this movie is scaring the hell out of me and at the same time this movie is a creation of the human race.

That little taut-to-slack moment of those wires on that wingtip makes the original George Pal War of the Worlds work for me. It embraces my fears and it also alleviates them in the same breath.

hairy_hen said:

Holy shast.  These new changes have to be a joke, right?  RIGHT?!

When I saw that R2 pic I was quite literally speechless, capable only of inarticulate sputtering for an entire minute.  How the hell did he even get in there in the first place???  Gaffer's theory of using those o-so-fanciful rocket boosters (gee, wouldn't those have been helpful when he fell into the Dagobah swamp in ESB?) and coming down from above is the only explanation, and that makes me ill just thinking about it.

The not-at-all-childhood-DNA-ruining Krayt Dragon revision made me burst out laughing so hard I thought I'd gone insane.  What a bunch of crackpot tomfoolery . . . I mean good grief, even the piece of crap sound from the 2004 version was better than that!  In fact, I now pine for the 2004 version because at least it didn't have this utter bollocks in there!  Vader's big exclamation when he turns on the Emperor: likewise one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

I think it's safe to say that we've at last without a doubt reached the point where Star Wars has ceased to be anything special or meaningful, and has instead become a complete joke.  A pathetic excuse for a has-been director to try to stay 'relevant' because he has nothing new to say and can only revamp his old work over and over again, obsessed with thinking it wasn't good enough and needs to be constantly remade for no real reason.  Had he never felt the need to revise the movies, he would have gone into history as the creator of one of the most universally beloved film series of all time, but now he just likes like a fool out of touch with reality.  And as for Matthew Wood . . . well, my opinion of that guy cannot remotely be expressed with language acceptable for use in civilised conversation, so I'll just sum it up with, "Who's the more foolish?  The fool, or the fool who follows him?"

Very well said.

Well, I'll post it anyways - the door pan isn't too bad. I just wish that we could have the special editions and the UOT together. This way people could possibly enjoy both versions of the films. It'll never happen, but it makes you appreciate what Ridley Scott did for Blade Runner or Spielberg did for E.T. / Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

I've read your post before. I never said there's anything wrong with liking the PT as much as the OT. I said more people prefer the OT, and Lucas knows this. It's in his best interest to have people view the two trilogies as one saga so that they all continue to purchase SW products independent of OT/PT preferences. That would mean more profit for him. It's a pretty simple concept.

It's really not that hard to understand my original point. Again, I'm not arguing. I've been clarifying my original point but you're obsessed with creating an argument where there is none.

If you want to discuss this more, you can PM me. Otherwise, stop skewing my words and dragging this out, son.

You're arguing that nobody's arguing about whether this is a saga or not...I truly don't understand what you're trying to convey. Many other people are also disappointed with the blu-ray leaks - why are you obsessed with my posts?

My last comment was a joke, kiddo. Lighten up.

Alexrd said:

bkev said:

I mainly agree with your straman sentiments, but his last point you quoted is quite valid. It's called "The Saga of Anakin Skywalker" for a reason...

It may be a valid point, but nobody is arguing that it's a saga or that George wants to view it as such.

It's called the Star Wars Complete Saga...

Lucas has gone on record many, many times claiming it's one saga, the main character is Vader, etc. There is no argument because there's nothing to argue.

Tell us how George wants the saga to be viewed? Think he likes the idea of people trashing the PT and wanting the UOT without his alterations?

You make as much sense as Obi-Wan screaming like someone lit his balls on fire.

Alexrd said:

If it's the majority or not, that remains to be seen.

Strawman.

And where does that come from?

You know, that works for those who like the PT only, too. And yes, there are people who do.

Speculation.

No. You are the one who has no argument when you say that "Lucas wants people to like the PT as much as the OT so that the entire saga can thrive." One doesn't need to like both trilogies the same, to accept it as one saga. Besides, that kind of argument (or lack of) is in the same extreme as Lucas gushers excuses.

Another strawman.

Again, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. You've been following my posts a bit too closely. Obsession?

It's plainly obvious that Lucas wants all six movies to stand up together. He knows many people dislike the PT. Your logic is inherently flawed. "One doesn't need to like both trilogies the same to accept it as one saga." This is nonsensical and irrelevant. I'm not talking about acceptance. I'm talking about what people are willing to spend money on.

Your "Strawman" in response to my comment about creative input to the PT/OT is idiotic. The OT had Kurtz, Marcia, Kazanjian, Kirschner, Marquand, Kasdan, and other people heavily involved in the creative process. The PT had Lucas writing a first draft and making a movie from it. Your denial is borderline childish and irrational.

Are you claiming that Lucas doesn't want people to like the PT alongside the OT? Are you saying that having people enjoy the PT/OT together is not beneficial to the viability and profitability of the film saga?

If you think that a majority of fans prefer the PT, then you've got your head buried under the sand, kiddo. Look at sales figures for individual trilogies on dvd, for example.

Stop quoting my posts. If you feel like expressing your irrational denial, head to blu-ray.com.