Here’s an update on the radar dish. The Super 8 reference:
Super 8/70mm recreation:
The rotoscoping is a little rough but that will be cleaned up. I also just noticed that Luke should be moved a little bit to the left so that will be fixed as well.
Could the Blu-Ray also be used as a source? Some of the 70mm was used for the Special Editions.
I’m going to try to use the ‘Story of’ lp as much as I can for any alternate audio because it’s easier to isolate and EQ. I’ll probably have to use the SE track for a few things so that’ll require more editing.
Tack said:
First of all, there’s very little out there to suggest the differences in optical transitions or compositing have any truth to them. I have a feeling since we were working from word of mouth for so long that some misremembered facts just kept creeping in. So, don’t take everything on the wiki seriously; it’s based on much older info and a lot of it has been disproved in recent years. In my mind, we should only consider the changes that we have definitive proof of (the missing Falcon dish and the static Emperor).
I plan on using morgands1’s recording as a reference so I’m only going to add/remove things that are confirmed (audio, radar dish, hologram, rebel fleet etc).
This will be a recreation of the 70mm limited release. All of the differences can be read on the wiki. According to this post most of the material exists on one format or another so this shouldn’t be too hard of a project.
Edit: I’m using the 70mm recording and the Super 8 as the two main references. Any changes that are confirmed (alternate dialogue, sound effects, Falcon radar dish, Emperor hologram, etc) will be added.
Sources:
Harmy’s despecialized ESB
The Story Of The Empire Strikes Back
morgands1’s 70mm recording
Puggo’s Super 8 Scan
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/70-mm-print-of-the-Empire-Strikes-Back-Differences/id/2321
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_changes_in_Star_Wars_re-releases#The_Empire_Strikes_Bac
Here’s a preview of the Cloud City matte without the radar dish:
There are a few scenes that are still unfinished but they’re getting there.
I’ve uploaded a few clips to Vimeo. The password is OriginalTrilogy.
https://vimeo.com/249455833
https://vimeo.com/249455744
https://vimeo.com/249455584
https://vimeo.com/249454592
I’m still trying to get the colors right. Using DrDre’s tool I’ve been able to get some color back:
On May 7, 1976 there was a special advance screening of Logan’s Run containing almost 20 minutes of extra footage. When the film was released in June that footage was entirely cut from the film to achieve a PG rating. The deleted footage is now presumed to be lost.
However, an audience recording of this screening and a 35mm preview reel containing some alternate and cut footage have survived. Using these sources I will be able to reconstruct the 70mm preview cut (or at least some of it).
This is not meant to be an extended edition but rather a recreation of the 70mm sneak preview cut. Some shots that easily could’ve been added were left out as they were not present on the 70mm print. Some things from the theatrical edition had to be cut as well.
Added:
Removed:
Sources:
35mm Advanced Preview of Selected Scenes - Special thanks to the uploader for sharing a copy of the scan
Audience Recording
Teaser Trailer
Theatrical Trailer
Life in the 23rd Century featurette
Official Blu-Ray
Film Score Monthly Expanded Soundtrack
Technical Info:
Video: 2.20:1 Aspect Ratio
Audio: 70mm 6 Track Recreation
Bootleg Audience Recording
The video editing is 90% done. There’s a few scenes that still need to be tweaked. After those are done I’ll focus on the audio mix.
The Tusken camp scene looks really good! How did you edit the mattes?
Any updates on this?
Does anyone still have the 35mm sourced PAL DVD of Revenge of the Sith with the cue marks? I mean the full 576i “TUN” DVD.
I sent you a PM
I’ve been trying to color correct some of the clips using the open matte DVD as a reference.
Reel 7 Clip: https://we.tl/Vf3yTnMhfR
I used the LUT from this scene and then used it for another reel, made a few tweaks, and got this result:
Before and after:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/199191
When the LUT is applied to most of the other clips, the colors can get pretty close to the DVD. It’s far from perfect but it’s a start.
Hi, is there a site that has information on the uncut TV broadcast? Thank you.
There’s a little info here: http://z8.invisionfree.com/Logans_Run_Circuit/ar/t182.htm
This will be an attempt to reconstruct the ‘uncut’ version of Logan’s Run. The film originally had many scenes that were cut in order to avoid an R rating. Some of these include Francis terminating a runner, a longer Love Shop sequence, and a longer Box scene with Logan and Jessica posing for an ice sculpture. An audience recording from a sneak preview showing exists and has all of these scenes intact (more info here: http://www.virtualvikki.com/a/logan/audio/index.html). Some of the deleted footage appears in the “Advance Preview of Selected Scenes” seen here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jj-vMJaEj0. I think this may be on the Special Edition laserdisc but I’m not sure. Apparently in the early 80s the film was shown several times on Canadian TV uncut, though no recording has surfaced.
This will be sort of like the “Greed” reconstruction. I’ll use stills and the recording to try to recreate the missing scenes. It’ll be a little rough, so this is definitely for the die hard fans.
Due to some of the sources I will be using, I think I may have to use the VHS for both audio and video. Some of the stills are in black and white so I’m not quite sure what the best way to incorporate them would be. Maybe have all the inserted material be black and white? I’d appreciate any input on that.
Sources/references:
Audience Recording
Original VHS release
Pan and Scan/Widescreen DVD - “Life in the 23rd Century”, Trailer
TV Show DVD - There’s a few shots from the movie including the ‘two yellows’ that were deleted.
1997 Special Edition Laserdisc - Photos, deleted scene recreations(?), behind the scenes, etc. I still need to track this one down.
Film Score Monthly Expanded Soundtrack
Various stills
Revised Script - http://www.virtualvikki.com/a/loganmovie/cut.html
Shooting Schedule - http://www.virtualvikki.com/a/loganmovie/logmov2/index.html
I found the original thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/French-16mm-Empire-Strikes-Back-Lempire-contre-attaque/id/47988. It sounds like you may have them already, marvins, but I’ll just upload them anyway.
All credit goes to Poita for these scans:
https://we.tl/M9HcmpgfV4
https://we.tl/QbhRDUWjWh
Screenshots:
So yeah? Did You lose all the files in the “poita accident”?
That’s it.
That happened after he sent me back the reels and the scan, but the HD was broken when I received it. And right after that, he had this big crash.
Bad luck, I’m so sad about that…
I still have the French ESB 16mm crawl and credits that were posted a while back if that would be any help. I think they were from Poita.
Edit: The files are “reel-one.avi” and “reel-three.avi”. Both are 1080p.
I think that’s the same file I have. It’s in RealMedia format and the resolution is 352x208.
Has a better source ever been found? The bootleg that was on a Firefly fansite says that it was from a “multi-generation tape dub”. I’ve seen it and it’s pretty rough.
I’ve also thought about taking the footage from the aired pilot and the deleted scenes to make a nicer version but that may be too jarring. Is there any interest in this?
Thanks for the info, Falcon. In addition to cropping it, I think the ‘slideshow’ credits should be in there as well.
I think there’s an HD pan and scan from HBO out there. Fullscreen would be more ‘accurate’ but widescreen would be a better viewing experience. I think it depends on what you’re going for.
Wasn’t the IMAX version in fullscreen though?
6/28 Edit: Mixed down my new BDRIP of AOTC to 5.1 because of the asset I was using for the new LucasFilm logo only had 5.1 audio on it (even though there’s no sound!). The final cut, which is being worked on now, will be in 5.1 Surround. My laptop, tho a beast it is, can only handle editing audio in 5.1 for some reason.
A “digital copy” should be available in mid-July. Should be.
7/1 Edit: Mid-July was an overestimate. I have just finished cut up all of the footage and I’ve started working on transitions already. It could possibly come in the next couple of weeks. After releasing the “digital copy” I will try and figure out a BR ready file.
Also, I opted out of recreating the IMAX slideshow style credits. The normal credits intact, clocking the cut at 2 hrs and 6 mins.
Looking forward to this project. Is this going to be in widescreen or fullscreen?
friedcamera, here are the note cards that accompany my X-Files FTF VHS tapes, as well as a scan of a tape that has some material on it from when DD was coming back onto the show, in between the episodes that I taped at the time of their airing. Let me know if you’re interested in this material!
Thank you for saving all of this! I’d love to see it.
I sent you a PM.
friedcamera, I would LOVE to see that “restored” cut of “Logan’s Run”, if it ever happens. There are TONS of material on my “X-Files” VHS’ that were never released, including reviews, FOX promos, box office results, local station interviews/promos, entertainment shows segments, etc. I taped everything that I could that aired in the weeks prior to and subsequent weeks after release for all of my main projects (ST, POTA, etc.) There are 4, I believe, full tapes of material and I may have made note cards detailing the contents. I’d have to look and check. If there are, I can scan them for you.
Generally speaking, for those special projects, I taped segments from the morning shows, any network specials, news shows, cable specials, local affiliates, cable media reports, Entertainment Tonight/Access Hollywood type shows, Siskel & Ebert and other review shows and segments from just about anything else that aired on television.
That’s an awesome collection! I would love to see that (when you have the time, of course!)
Regarding Logan’s Run… now that I have some more time I’ll probably start working on it. If you don’t have the audience recording I’d be happy to send it to you.
I had no idea about the German cut. I did some searching and I found a dvd9 made from two airings, one in 4:3 and the other in 16:9.
friedcamera, I wish I had that “Logan’s Run” version! I fell in love (or something!), with Jenny Agutter when that came out and so looked forward to the TV series, only to be incredibly disappointed! I still have a bunch of articles, etc. on the TV show, too. At least they put that series out on DVD! Sorry I couldn’t help, but if you’re interested in the TV series, please let me know.
Hopefully a recording surfaces one day. All that’s left from that cut is the audience recording from an advanced screening and some photos. I’ve been meaning to do my own reconstruction but I’ve been busy with other projects.
I also have three or four VHS tapes of extras from the 1st “X-Files” movie and 2 tapes from the awful “Planet of the Apes” (2001) movie. Anyone interested in those?
Do the X-Files tapes have anything that wasn’t released on the blu-ray?
I forgot to add “Logan’s Run” to my faves and collection list. I wish the later formats of many films released on Laserdisc incorporated all the printed material extras that were on them. Some of the supplements were extensive. I also have three or four VHS tapes of extras from the 1st “X-Files” movie and 2 tapes from the awful “Planet of the Apes” (2001) movie. Anyone interested in those?
Do you have the mythical uncut TV version of Logan’s Run? That would be an amazing find.
