frank678

Just my 2$, I had a look through the 70mm files and picked these as the look I would be aiming around:

I wouldn't use PS78 raw (it needs a slight Hue adjustment in my view http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2zh1mx1&s=5#.UtLWzrTu4g4 ) but any of the others I think are acceptable references. I'd be looking not so much as matching a reference exactly as getting an effect where it looks like I'm actually in the room with them, lifelike colours/skintones and lighting conditions. What would it have looked like on the set and thinking how much is a particular reference is getting in the way of that ideal version with weird tints, and contrast levels and stuff.

I forgot to reference this project. I havn't seen the dvd itself but based on the final settings/screencaps this is a really good match to the original. A very subtle result (Basically the opposite of what I get). I wish this would escape from the newsgroup into the wild (hint)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/LeeThorogoods-Original-Trilogy-Replica-Technicolor-Project/post/480799/#TopicPost480799

Yep I did such a steep curve that it makes it look like a cartoon almost.

NeverarGreat said:

No words...they should have sent a poet

Saturation!

NeverarGreat said:

There are some projects made by OT members which should help this project along, but which ones to use? I'm thinking AntcuFaalb's Pre-ANH Star Wars Bootleg for the original colortiming. Thoughts?

I.M.O. I now think I would use Mother's version of PRE-ANH Bootleg as it now seems the most accurate to me to use as a base line. Then using its source bootleg for more saturated parts and the PS78 for a general feel of the light and dark levels as projected. In fact forget that: I would just use everything back and forth (!)

Once I'd gone back and forth between the things with the most colour information like the 70mm stills, the technicolor, quality set photos etc etc and seen how how things change when they get lit/saturated/tinted differently and how skintones look in different lighting conditions and THEN when I'd decided on the look I'd want THEN decide what I can get from the values Ive got. Do I want to get skintones as right as possible but then make everything else look green? Or do I want to get the best overall compromise for the whole picture. In this sense I wouldn't stick to any one source but find the best source for any scene and bring the Blu Ray up to the best level possible.

I think this is the way you are going to offer something different from Harmy's DE because I think he was sticking to one reference print. 

That said I think using the technicolor media as a main guide for a palette is what I would do to decide between directions.

*UPDATING VERSION 2*

Here's my collection of 70mm film cells, if you havn't got it, in case you wanted some cross references.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/3p8hdh52uqwn/70mm.rar

p.s. your corrections are looking good by the way!

AntcuFaalb said:

I would, but I no longer have anything to cut Macrovision, so it'll have to wait until I have some extra cash lying around.

I sold my Leitch DPS-290 to free-up some funds for Laserdisc purchases.

O.k. then can I switch my guilt trip over to capturing the star wars Mitsubishi 1992 laserdisc if you have that? If not, I'll stop using this flimsy pretence to make requests.

AntcuFaalb said:

I'm sorry, everyone.

I will, of course, never again take up a sock-puppet or troll account (or anything of the sort).

I think as penance you should upload some vhsrips from all those star wars box sets you got when you got the Panasonic AG-1980. Then I may be able to forgive. 

colton you are posting rejoinders to posts made 2 years ago, and bumping threads for spurious reasons. please contribute something more constructive to the boards.

Ryan McAvoy experimented with some different orchestral music on an edit piece for his 'Lost Cut', quite interesting to see it synch up with the action at different points:

   http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-Star-Wars-The-Lost-Cut-FanEdit-New-version-in-the-works/post/670997/#TopicPost670997

coltonlolz said:

I REALLY need to dig out my tape and see if it has that date at the end...

colton why not actually get off the boards and dig out this tape, or start working on some sort of project, and come back when you have something new to present, before you get banned for bumping multiple threads for no proper reason.

fair play but my guess its going to be painstaking work to cancel out all the music and special effects for the whole movie but I'd be willing to be proved wrong. :)

Joking aside colton, i would find watching star wars with just the dialogue / ambient noise and without the special effects or music would be pretty dull. You can get an idea of what it would be like from watching the star wars outtakes or the alec guinness dialogue rehearsal from the rinzler ebook. In the same way stripping the dialogue/ sfx away to leave the soundtrack, or dialogue/soundtrack to leave the sfx is interesting for 5 minutes or perhaps one viewing at most, but is it really worth doing for the whole movie? I feel the same way of people stripping back the multi-tracks on beatles songs or whatever - its interesting at first but then is pretty dry to listen to it - the magic happens when all the elements come together.

I think you could get a more pleasing result by putting the soundtrack through a really good audiophile level stereo amplifier/speakers in a large uncluttered room with aligned speaker arrangement, so that you there is enough space in the soundfield to get a nice separation between the dialogue from soundtrack from the sfx.

i think that's the best ive ever seen that scene look. its worth all the clean up when the end result looks as clean as this 

you want the impossible!!

Even if this never(!) comes out I think enough varied clips from unique 35mm star wars prints were generously shared on the blog (including a pretty long piece from reel 2) to make continued jokes about team neagtive1's eccentricities/methods pretty redundant and repetitive at this stage (at least for me on the sidelines who just wants to appraise the parts of the project(s) previewed objectively, without an ongoing critique or feud at every turn).

Then again on the other hand if trying to catch out team negative 1 makes them more determined to deliver the project as their final trump card, then maybe TV's Frink is a genius. 

Well I've finished my section coltonlolz:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfzPiXTAzAA

I also did sound effects and soundtrack only sections

http://vimeo.com/77027809

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-O46AidmFM

You need to tell me what project I need to do next

another weird thing is when i look at the file lengths of individual the vob files some say 0.00. maybe thats whats confusing vlc?

clever edits! i like the way you cut to beru and then cut back to her calling luke. the greedo edit is completely seamless with the original camp voice now - if you make a trailer for this you should definitely use some of that greedo edit.

well for example i get a skip at 41.20 as vader enters leia's cell - do you have that or is it just me?

also one around 20.56?

AntcuFaalb said:

Are ya'll happy with the latest release or should I put in time to get something more "polished"?

I figure it's primarily a historical curiosity as well as a source of information for things like the cue marks, etc.

When i mount this on vlc i notice some tiny skips throughout the film, is this just my computer, or a syncing thing on the copy or from the original? It's not a dealbreaker. Just curious. 

RATLSNAKE said:

This is what happens to Star Wars in the Instagram generation? :P

I long for a single instance of someone watching some of it and commenting.

:( 

theres some really nice intercuts in this, and that piece of music clicks into place surprisingly well in places - it definitely has the feel of an original assembly cut a.k.a. "the lost cut". i'd love to see you build up a version like this. maybe don't sweat the WW2 fighter plane stuff so much now that you have the rinzler stuff and the blu ray deleted scenes?