I don’t understand what the point was of Lucas adding that Dugg walking down the stairs in Jabba’s Palace. It was only for two seconds. Maybe it was to add something to an otherwise empty space?
The rest of the palace is asleep. It’s completely and utterly pointless.
Adywan, since you’re removing the two SE shots in the “look sir, droids!” scene partially because they use the ROTJ helmets, does that mean you’re going to replace the SE shot of the Stormtroopers facing Han in the hangar bay? I really hope you don’t. The fact that Han is stopping dead in his tracks yelling, because he sees an entire room of hundreds of Stormtroopers facing him, rather than having it just be a normal-looking room with only a few troopers, works much better because I think that makes the scene play out a little funnier and much more effectively.
I mean, in the original version it’s a dead end, which is extremely funny.
Which do you prefer, and why?
The original because it doesn’t look like a crap copy and paste job.
And because my entire online persona is based on releasing the original versions.
Adywan, since you’re removing the two SE shots in the “look sir, droids!” scene partially because they use the ROTJ helmets, does that mean you’re going to replace the SE shot of the Stormtroopers facing Han in the hangar bay? I really hope you don’t. The fact that Han is stopping dead in his tracks yelling, because he sees an entire room of hundreds of Stormtroopers facing him, rather than having it just be a normal-looking room with only a few troopers, works much better because I think that makes the scene play out a little funnier and much more effectively.
I mean, in the original version it’s a dead end, which is extremely funny.
Why is it that many of the changes were so poor with continuity between the old and the new stuff? Having the wrong Stormtrooper helmets during the “Look sir, droids!” scene, having new open windows in Cloud City in some shots, but not in others, even if they’re supposed to be the same ones, having Jabba’s palace door apparently be bigger on the outside than it is on the inside, etc.
Because the Special Editions were done after-hours between projects with no guiding hand other than Lucas himself who only seemed to care about the shot being “fixed” at the moment and not the shots around them. Remember that Lucas only wanted to see if they could do something he wanted to do in the prequels, and if they could he just moved on. Then there’s things like the SE Boba Fett’s both having wrong pieces of armor because BOTH scenes were “that sounds cool, let’s shoot that this afternoon” and they were done years apart (December 1994 for ANH and July 1996 for RotJ)
Keeping the actual edit close to the Academy Award-winning version is probably preferable.
One thing that is very frustrating about some of George’s changes to the movies is how they are made in isolation, without concern for continuity between shots. For example, I get why he wanted Jabba’s palace door to look bigger, so that it’s more grand-looking, but he didn’t account for the interior shots where R2 and 3PO enter the palace. For the uninitiated, it would look like either the door suddenly got smaller, or the characters suddenly got bigger. Thankfully, Adywan is keeping the original shot.
Of course in this case it’s JJ’s change, not George’s
What do you mean? JJ Abrams hasn’t touched the OT films.
But JJ’s team added the bunk to the Falcon and the invisible room to the Emperor’s Throne Room, they’re saying.
He or she was referring to the change on the ROTJ blu ray where George made Jabba’s Palace doors bigger on the outside. Then they replied that George didn’t make the change, JJ did. Considering Abrams wasn’t even associated with SW yet I found the comment very confusing.
They were changing the topic back to the JJ changes (Falcon bunk/Secret room).
One thing that is very frustrating about some of George’s changes to the movies is how they are made in isolation, without concern for continuity between shots. For example, I get why he wanted Jabba’s palace door to look bigger, so that it’s more grand-looking, but he didn’t account for the interior shots where R2 and 3PO enter the palace. For the uninitiated, it would look like either the door suddenly got smaller, or the characters suddenly got bigger. Thankfully, Adywan is keeping the original shot.
Of course in this case it’s JJ’s change, not George’s
What do you mean? JJ Abrams hasn’t touched the OT films.
But JJ’s team added the bunk to the Falcon and the invisible room to the Emperor’s Throne Room, they’re saying.
Sure, the door may be hidden under the stairs, but the giant room would be dangling off the side of one of the spires in the exterior shots seen in the movie.
I doubt Adywan is going to add a secret room off the end of one of the spires that you can see from space.
What are you trying to point out, Evan.
Remove the grain completely, then put moving grain on top, I imagine.
If I had the time, I’d consider trying to do a comprehensive visual difference guide. I just love how I’m still discovering ESB:R changes even five years after it came out.
We’ll get to that.
He meant bunk, not bunker.
EvantheKidDS said:
And for a moment I thought, why shouldn’t ESB:R somehow get this treatment. I understand already that Topaz and re-rendering of shots was done but, the ESB 4K Blu-Ray exists.
Because Adywan someday wants to be done working on these movies.
Hopefully they’ll be able to go back and tweak some of the weaker rotoscoping like this. The edit and sound are incredible, save for a few shots!
The Battle of Yavin will be enhanced like the Battle of Hoth, it just won’t be extended, which is a good thing pacing-wise.
I was very unsure about adywan’s decition to give Boba Fett a new, finalised death scene given that he would now be returning very much alive. However, after watching what I just watched I have come to the conclusion that Boba Fett died in 1983 and fully support Adywan making sure he stays that way. Very much looking forward to seeing that happen.
It’s safer to assume that Mandalorian/BOBF Boba is a younger Jango Fett clone who believes he’s the real deal (and the other characters just humor him), kind of like how the Batman in All-Star Batman and Robin is likely a random asshole who found a Batman costume in a dumpster.
Can we leave discussion of Book of Boba Fett out of this thread? Adywan has never been beholden to canon before, his trilogy will be his trilogy.
I think 4K77 would blend with the VHS better at least.
A laserdisc would blend best.
That’s the truth.
I think 4K77 would blend with the VHS better at least.
You can tell from the preview images they’ve eliminated the matte lines AND increased the quality.
https://twitter.com/startrekviscomp/status/1486164666179112964?s=21
They do still say “Yub Nub” in the SE, Wicket says it to Leia when trying to get her to go to the village. “Freedom” maybe be the name of the village (I know it’s “Bright Tree Village”, leftover from Legends).
Much appreciated! Just to reiterate, I’m currently waiting on 4K80 to be released before resuming work on this project.
Aren’t we all?
Why, it’s already in Book of Boba? He’s barely a character in this movie.
A space for doubleofive’s comments / updates / news / new articles etc:-
I really appreciate the support, I worked really hard on the Wired article and would love to see traction on our efforts to get the original released. Below are some highlights of my work:
Star Wars Visual Comparisons v2.0
I have started my project to recreate the entire archive in full 1080p using the retail discs and 4Kxx. Return of the Jedi is already complete.
List of Academy Awards for The Original Trilogy
A handy list of the Oscars the OT won/was nominated for, marked with my opinion of if they still count towards the existing version.
The Lost Art of Star Wars
A compilation of every effects shot that was replaced in the Special Editions. Some artist worked hard to make those shots, and their work is simply gone.
I’ll post more interesting things as they come up!
