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#1161957
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

hairy_hen said:

You know, it’s a sad day when my post using farts as a (surprisingly apt) metaphor for media bias is more on point than this predictably stupid backbiting some of you engage in on a regular basis. Seriously, don’t you have anything better to do with your time?

Beats working.

With PDFs?

pff, college student.

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#1161890
Topic
oscars 2018
Time

i thought it was oscar’s. i missread it too.

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#1161888
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Mrebo said:

TV’s Frink said:

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

Making a mistake is human. Making the same mistake twice is foolish. (Or something like that)

maybe you mean “All men make mistakes, but only wise men learn from their mistakes.” - Winston Churchill

So Luke is a fool then in your eyes?

Obviously. He gave the nice pigman #1 a nap, and then did it again with pigman #2.

You can prosecute on behalf of the pig men and I’ll play defense lawyer for Luke. I’m betting Luke will walk if the standard is reasonable doubt. The pig men suffer from congenital conditions including narcolepsy and sleep apnea. Their heavy drinking doesn’t help either.

Luke is suffering sever trauma from vader daddy syndrome and shouldn’t be allowed to wander around in caves with a weapon! he doesn’t even have a damn permit!

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#1161885
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Collipso said:

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

Making a mistake is human. Making the same mistake twice is foolish. (Or something like that)

maybe you mean “All men make mistakes, but only wise men learn from their mistakes.” - Winston Churchill

So Luke is a fool then in your eyes?

Yeah, I was talking about that I guess.

In a way yes, Luke is a fool. Or do you think he was very wise disregarding everything that he learned in the throne room and going into poor Ben’s hut and igniting his lightsaber? Yoda also told him that he must gain control over himself.

And Obi-Wan said that the force partially controls your actions, and that your eyes can deceive you. In the trench run yes, he did tell Luke to basically trust his instincts, but he never told Luke to let go of logic, ever.

Speaking of Obi-Wan, he’s a man that learned from his mistakes. Compare PT Obi-Wan and OT Obi-Wan, and you’ll see they’re the same character, only that they grown from their mistakes. Yoda too, but less so than Obi-Wan.

Well, Luke isn’t Yoda or Obi-wan. Luke barely had any training in the OT. I still think he was barely a good Jedi in ROTJ. Barely resisted the goading, etc. Obi-wan was training and existing along-side other Jedi… Anway, i see no reason to expect the same from Luke as from Obi-wan.

I agree, Luke drawing the saber was foolish. Yoda came back and told him that much of what he was doing was foolish.

Again, the real disagreement is that one side of this complaint things Luke is a perfect Jedi, and should behave like a perfect Jedi. The other side of this doesn’t think that at all.

The film seems to portray that Luke was not perfect, so I am happy with it.

You are not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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#1161882
Topic
How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
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ExNihilo said:

dahmage said:

ExNihilo said:

dahmage said:

Can we please stop saying Disney and say LucasFilm? I mean, does anyone really think Disney is pulling the strings?

It is a fair way to say that it is LucasFilm under Disney rather than under George.

I suppose. but it feels more like it is an easy way to cry about some perceived mega corp unhuman thing is directing everything that happens. And i think that is dishonest.

What do you suggest?
Lucasfilm under the helm of Disney= LD
Lucasfilm under the helm of George= LG
?

I guess i don’t see the difference between Lucasfilm LD or LG

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#1161878
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Mrebo said:

dahmage said:

Which would cause you more emotional trauma.

  • Father who you never knew and who you thought was dead, and just found out he is this evil man
  • Nephew who you knew from birth, and whom your sister (who was with you through all the previous trama about your vader daddy) entrusted to you to train correctly, is a dark dark soul, and you FAILED to save him.

The first one is trauma for sure, but I don’t think it compares at all the the extreme trauma of the second one. The second one brings back the first trauma, and then adds layers and layers of extra trauma on top.

So yeah, Luke was pretty upset that he failed Leah and Klyo.

And i posted this earlier, but there is a good chance i deleted the post. but in my take on things, the luke we saw in the OT was three movies of a young idealistic kid who valued his own take on things above anyone elses. He trusted himself to be right more than he trusted what anyone told him. When these types of people fail, the fail HARD. I am this type of person.

Notwithstanding the capitalization of “failed,” the notion that Luke failed to save Ben and that Luke came to that conclusion falls entirely flat. More is needed to establish such a reaction. If Luke is now that brittle, I’d want to know what happened to make him that way in the decades prior to sensing bad stuff in Ben’s mind.

thats just like, your opinion, man.

JEDIT: i should i add a 😉 so that you know i am being nice. I just think that this conversation has sorta reached a not so thrilling conclusion.

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#1161875
Topic
How many 'Bad' Star Wars movies could you take before you check out?
Time

ExNihilo said:

dahmage said:

Can we please stop saying Disney and say LucasFilm? I mean, does anyone really think Disney is pulling the strings?

It is a fair way to say that it is LucasFilm under Disney rather than under George.

I suppose. but it feels more like it is an easy way to cry about some perceived mega corp unhuman thing is directing everything that happens. And i think that is dishonest.

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#1161863
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

Trump shouldn’t be called the “most pathetic”, because he’s so narcissistic that being the “most” at something is still worth patting himself on the back for.

yeah, but let’s let him have that one thing. i mean, we aren’t mean people.

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#1161854
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

chyron8472 said:

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Frink, I agree with Warbler when he says your hyperbole often comes across as annoying and/or insulting. Just because you don’t give a crap about whether or not that’s true doesn’t mean it isn’t.

Well gee I never saw this coming!

If you didn’t see it coming, maybe you should have. If you did see it coming, maybe you should have done something about it. You don’t exactly go out of your way to be polite to people.

And Warb swearing at you that once does not exhibit a pattern of behavior. You did not get a temp ban for just one incident. You were temp-banned because “attacking another member because something offended you personally […] became a pattern that has affected how other members discuss certain topics.”

http://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1146839

you can also piss off the moderators by acting like a moderator when you aren’t.

lets get back to deciding if we can make fun of Trump for being the most pathetic President human alive or not.

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#1161771
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Absolutely the scariest thing. Obviously I’m not talking about the immediate threat, but I don’t think there’s much doubt that Kylo brought Luke more pain than Vader (I’m talking emotionally here).

I disagree. Vader in the end of TESB destroyed everything Luke believed in and everything in Luke’s world. He had possibly killed his best friend, told him that his dad was not a hero but a monster, made him see his master were liars, destroyed his base at the beginning of the movie, killed several of his friends… and Luke was a young, immature man (if you compare to what he should’ve been in TLJ).

So I highly doubt that the possible future he saw was worse than this. As selfless as anyone may be, we are always biased towards ourselves.

There’s a big difference between being 20 years old and falling on your ass and learning your dad’s a failure and being 50 years old and facing the possibility that you’re a failure and your life’s work has been meaningless.

yeah, that is what i was getting at with my previous post.

  • first failure is hard, but he didn’t actually know his dad, and he was still young and in my mind, unwilling to accept the truth of his dad’s evilness, so he kinda muddled through with the stubborness of youth.
  • second failure, brought back the first (which he probably didn’t think of a failure before, because he had won vader over right?), and amplified it, added extra layers of failure. People who think they are right all of the time, fail HARD.

Yes, but here’s the problem. Ben hadn’t really done anything by that point, so there was no reason to assume Luke would not continue to believe he could turn the tide. I can sort of accept your reasoning if Ben had crossed over to the dark side in both thought and action, but just the prospect should not be enough, considering Luke’s experiences.

I don’t think either of us are going to budge on this Dre. 😃

-You see Luke choosing to Kill (even if brief) based on the darkness he felt and pain and suffering he saw coming, as being antithetical to Jedi Master, especially Luke.

-I see Luke failing to control himself (briefly) based on the darkness he felt and the pain and suffering he saw coming, as being a believable break in the spirit of someone who seems to be able to do no wrong, but just failed.

I hope i am being fair to your point of view.

And Kylo’s reaction to this brief moment sealed the fate of the failure. Things were set in motion. Luke couldn’t explain anything, he got knocked out. Kylo destroyed everything and left. Luke knew that Kylo must have assumed Luke died, further cementing lukes belief in his utter failure. so he retreated.

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#1161752
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DrDre said:

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.

Luke said that he had sensed some of this during their training, but had to be sure. It really doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that you ask someone about as a primary way of discovering the truth.

I respectfully disagree. To me, trust is the basis for any relationship, and not just romantic ones. So yes, Luke should’ve talked to Ben before anything. Talking to him would also trigger several of Ben’s inner thoughts and feelings that Luke would be able to sense, given the subject of their discussion, and because Ben at that point probably didn’t know how to close his mind from a Jedi master.

That assumption that i bolded is yours. i think the opposite, and I think there is enough in the movie to point to Ben having already been under some level of tutelage from Snoke at that point, that yeah, he probably could close his mind to a Jedi master. The other reason to believe that he could close his mind, is because Luke choose to search his feelings while he was asleep, with the obvious to discern reason that he couldn’t do it as well when he wasn’t asleep.

For one Luke already told us, he sensed the darkness, but if that were the case, that Ben was closing his mind, the film should have told us. It’s the basis for good story telling IMO. Just insert a line, where Luke sensed Ben was purposefully hiding his true feelings from Luke, something he shouldn’t be able to do.

Dre i am honestly confused. luke did give us that line, you just said it. so i don’t get what you are saying…

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#1161749
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

Absolutely the scariest thing. Obviously I’m not talking about the immediate threat, but I don’t think there’s much doubt that Kylo brought Luke more pain than Vader (I’m talking emotionally here).

I disagree. Vader in the end of TESB destroyed everything Luke believed in and everything in Luke’s world. He had possibly killed his best friend, told him that his dad was not a hero but a monster, made him see his master were liars, destroyed his base at the beginning of the movie, killed several of his friends… and Luke was a young, immature man (if you compare to what he should’ve been in TLJ).

So I highly doubt that the possible future he saw was worse than this. As selfless as anyone may be, we are always biased towards ourselves.

There’s a big difference between being 20 years old and falling on your ass and learning your dad’s a failure and being 50 years old and facing the possibility that you’re a failure and your life’s work has been meaningless.

yeah, that is what i was getting at with my previous post.

  • first failure is hard, but he didn’t actually know his dad, and he was still young and in my mind, unwilling to accept the truth of his dad’s evilness, so he kinda muddled through with the stubborness of youth.
  • second failure, brought back the first (which he probably didn’t think of a failure before, because he had won vader over right?), and amplified it, added extra layers of failure. People who think they are right all of the time, fail HARD.
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#1161745
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Collipso said:

dahmage said:

Collipso said:

From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.

Luke said that he had sensed some of this during their training, but had to be sure. It really doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that you ask someone about as a primary way of discovering the truth.

I respectfully disagree. To me, trust is the basis for any relationship, and not just romantic ones. So yes, Luke should’ve talked to Ben before anything. Talking to him would also trigger several of Ben’s inner thoughts and feelings that Luke would be able to sense, given the subject of their discussion, and because Ben at that point probably didn’t know how to close his mind from a Jedi master.

That assumption that i bolded is yours. i think the opposite, and I think there is enough in the movie to point to Ben having already been under some level of tutelage from Snoke at that point, that yeah, he probably could close his mind to a Jedi master. The other reason to believe that he could close his mind, is because Luke choose to search his feelings while he was asleep, with the obvious to discern reason that he couldn’t do it as well when he wasn’t asleep.

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#1161738
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

ray_afraid said:

DominicCobb said:

Collipso said:

From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.

Luke does not go to Ben’s hut to kill him.

Then why did he take his sword in with him?
“only what you take with you” and whatnot.

(I don’t care, just knocking conversation around)

the Jedi is the weapon, so… kinda hard not to take himself right?

:p

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#1161733
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
Time

Collipso said:

From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.

Luke said that he had sensed some of this during their training, but had to be sure. It really doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that you ask someone about as a primary way of discovering the truth.

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#1161726
Topic
The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Which would cause you more emotional trauma.

  • Father who you never knew and who you thought was dead, and just found out he is this evil man
  • Nephew who you knew from birth, and whom your sister (who was with you through all the previous trama about your vader daddy) entrusted to you to train correctly, is a dark dark soul, and you FAILED to save him.

The first one is trauma for sure, but I don’t think it compares at all the the extreme trauma of the second one. The second one brings back the first trauma, and then adds layers and layers of extra trauma on top.

So yeah, Luke was pretty upset that he failed Leah and Klyo.

And i posted this earlier, but there is a good chance i deleted the post. but in my take on things, the luke we saw in the OT was three movies of a young idealistic kid who valued his own take on things above anyone elses. He trusted himself to be right more than he trusted what anyone told him. When these types of people fail, the fail HARD. I am this type of person.

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