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- <strong>4K77</strong> - Released
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will there be as bonus the making of star wars release?
Yes, we have scanned 2 x 16mm prints. Just need to clean them up.

will there be as bonus the making of star wars release?
Yes, we have scanned 2 x 16mm prints. Just need to clean them up.

Based on the provided info on 4K77’s webpage, 97% of the film comes from a Spanish print. If that’s accruate, I assume the other 3% is for the opening scrawl, end credits, and damaged frames?
I’m unsure about the audio source for the SSE, but is all the audio for 4K77 from the GOUT or does is some from prints?
That’s incorrect. Waht is says on the webpage is that “97% of project 4K77 is from a single, original 1977 35mm Technicolor release print”, the other 3% is a mix of Spanish LPP, a second British IB Technicolor print, a 97 Special Edition print and 2011 Bluray (for any frames that were missing from all prints at the reel changes).
Audio is from Harmy’s Despecialized, which is mostly laserdisc sourced. All of the print audio is incomplete since there are frames missing throughout, and the LPP audio is obviously in Spanish.
Hey does anyone recommend a painless way of matching the frame size of two different sources? I’m trying to align footage from the 2020 Bluray of ESB to Harmy’s ESB Despecialized and I just can’t get it right.
Photoshop: Edit -> Auto Align Layers
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These links are still working for me.
The main 4K77 print scan is a professional scan. The 4K83 and 4K80 prints we scanned using our own custom built film scanner. Poita’s Empire prints were professionally scanned, but we don’t have access to those scans yet.
Poita scanned this same Ep IV print on a professional grade film scanner, but never released anything beyond a few samples. He may have access to the other SE prints too, but if so (as far as I know) they have not yet been scanned.
So a ‘97 35mm print of ANH was scanned, just not cleaned up?
Correct
Was this from Poita’s project?
No, this is our own scan of the same print.
What About Empire and Jedi?
Find us some prints and we’ll scan them.
There is one of Star Wars '97 A New Hope, available 1080p and UHD:

It’s been relisted
However the description says it is the whole movie but says it is only two reels. This is obviously not true, the movie is 6 reels.
It’s on 2 x 6000 foot reels. That’s the whole film. (Normally 6 x 2000’ reels)
Interesting that they can sell 4K80 even before it’s been finished or released! Maybe I should buy a copy to see how it turns out.
Spaceballs the Videotape!
Perhaps this is what you are looking for:
https://forum.fanres.com/thread-2899.html
It recreates the laserdisc content (including the extra logos) using Bluray footage and laserdisc audio.
This thread is about the scanning of a theatrical release print, so, this version would be the theatrical cut.
I know of at least one cut that was made on all the British prints: the scene in Cuba after the plane crash where the Xenia slides down the rope and attacks Bond, the “good” girl tries to intervene and is grabbed by the bad girl and told to “wait your turn” before being pushed to the ground. That 10 seconds or so is not in any of the British prints. It is however in this print, so I believe this is the uncut version.
Great - thanks!
Can anybody here capture this?
I don’t know if this would be of any help, but I caught Highlander on TV and it was the theatrical cut, in widescreen and HD. It also has the shot of the cop spilling coffee on himself, and presumably has the unaltered effects shots at the end.
Cool. Did you record it? If not, what channel was it on and is it going to be on again anytime soon?
The screen I saw it on in '89 was at a small seaside town in the east of England. I seriously doubt it had a 70mm setup. In fact I know it didn’t because I just checked their website and it says “The 35mm projector used from 1988 to 2013 is now on display in the theatre cafe & gallery.” So, assuming I’m not mis-remembering, and this is not The Mandella Effect, it’s more likely that British prints may have the line, while those from other markets may not.
I remember the Jewish line too. (I first saw the film at a cinema in the UK in '89). However, I do have access to an original US Theatrical print and the line is censored on the print:

Those relatively flat audio lines on the optical track are where the word “Jewish” should be. This makes me wonder if all the US prints were censored from the beginning.
Here is the full clip:
https://mega.nz/#!oJ1xgKaL!5qoVEcJFRYralVJv20yNcMr0fF1fAOLyx4WV6cvlgYw
If you change the delay to play the audio 20 frames (-833 ms ?) earlier to match the waveform printed on the film (since the sound head is further down inside the projector, in order to have picture and sound in sync during projection, the audio needs to be at the same point as the picture when the picture is in the gate. So the part of the optical track for this frame already passed through the gate 20 frames ago…) you can more easily see where the dialog is missing (you can check this by switching to audio track 2 in the provided clip).
Is there any link to the 1.3 windows 10 installer? I was able to use the 1.2 windows installer on my windows 7 PC but the program isn’t showing up after a fresh install on my windows 10 PC.
https://mega.nz/#!K9ZwFIgR!I5BnMQ_zvhj9SDpgRzr4Y9JYc1QM6nBME7GVk5ntjkc
Williarob will be using Dre’s new correction for an update that will also replace many of the patched-in Blu-Ray frames with new 4K print scans (some from an LPP print, some from a 1997 SE print).
Will there be any frames used from the 4K Disney+ version or have they got all the frames from prints now?
In some instances, the bluray frames could not be color matched to the print. If there are no print sources for a frame and the D+ frames match better, then they will be used. But the goal is to minimize the amount of footage from non 35mm sources used in the 4Kxx projects.
Oohteedee already partially “despecialized” the D+ versions of ANH and ESB using 4K77 and 4K80 sources. (Most of the 4K80 footage he cleaned himself, since that’s not done yet) if that’s what you’re looking for. He calls them “D+77” and “D+80”. Hopefully a D+83 will follow in the not too distant future, and all three D+ projects will quickly be upgraded to use the physical media when that becomes available next month.
In 1971, the industry standard size of the aperture gate was changed from 2.35:1 to 2.39:1, slightly reducing the height. The reason for this was to hide those ugly laboratory splices:


which are very distracting when almost every single shot change gives you a white flash of glue at the top and bottom.
So, while on the film, the image is printed at 2.35:1 (after being unsqueezed), it would have been projected at 2.39:1.
However, with 4KXX we made every effort to clean these up, and the same is probably true of the official Blurays (Either that or they just cropped them out).
Sometimes they’re just too big for that aperture plate to hide:

But at 24 fps you barely notice these big blobs of glue.
The 1080p version is available ready to burn, with menus etc. Not much point creating an ISO for the 4K version, as most people can’t burn it, and those who can probably won’t be able to play it anyway.
If you reduce the bitrate far enough to fit it on a BD50, it may or may not play on your UHD player (most won’t). blank BD 100 M discs are not cheap, and many will not work on your stand alone UHD player.
Most UHD players have a USB input, and can play MKV files, so why not just put that file on an external drive or USB stick and plug that in? Why bother with burning a disc at all? Is it really worth all that extra effort just to see a menu and click play? The end result is exactly the same: you watch the movie on your TV.
If all you want is a case on the shelf, then print one out and stuff an SD card or USB stick inside it.
No, it did not.
I wonder what Mike Verta thinks of the 4k version on Disney+ and coming to UHD later this year, when compared to the product or progress of his work on Legacy.
He hated the colors of the Reliance Media restoration from which these new masters are sourced from. The raw SDR colors of the Disney+ look very similar to the RM (muted and washed out), but as DrDre pointed out on the 4K Restoration of Star Wars thread the HDR adds back a lot of color and looks far more saturated.
He discusses is here: https://vimeo.com/123475322
And here: https://vimeo.com/122877129
Usenet 😃