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http://www.paramount.com/movies/spongebob-squarepants-movie

Another great reference. Definitely a 35mm transfer and damning evidence that the movie was drastically re timed for home releases.

There isn’t a blue shift in this trailer, compared to the YouTube one, though the contrast nothing like the former. Still, the colors in this trailer are a lot more reminiscent of my print, so I think I’m getting just a bit closer here.

What’s interesting to note is that this trailer is a advertisement for the DVD & VHS releases, but looks nothing like them.

I’m left with alot of questions though. For instance, I’ve no clue what to refer to for the shot below; not only are the colors completely different in all three cases, but the visuals appear to be from three seperate stages of production:

Paramount Website:

Paramount Youtube:

Current (DVD):

Minor update:

The SCOPE print came in the mail a short while ago. While I haven’t had a chance to properly scan it, I did open the reel to skim the frames and observe to color timing. Here’s what I’ve noticed:

It is the same trailer that Paramount features on YouTube. Despite this, the grading isn’t consistent with either their scan of the trailer nor the Blu-ray/previous home releases. Some shots are more partial to the Blu-ray’s colors, others are definitive proof that the Blu-ray is largely inaccurate.

When comparing my print to Paramount’s scan, it looks as if there is a general blue tint in the Paramount YouTube upload; the exterior shots of Bikini Bottom are the most indicative of this. Conversely, live action shots in the SCOPE print are a lot more green compared to any other release I’ve seen, to my recollection.

So at this point I’m going to have to go off of Both Paramount’s scan of the trailer and my own personal copy as references, despite their contradictions. What I really need at this point is a Cam rip of the film, which I’m sure exists but is currently nowhere to be found online. With that I’d be able to find a compromise for the grading on some of the more questionable shots.

Hello, Harmy! I’ve a technical question about the making of the DE

In your “Sources” documentary, you show how you cleaned a 35mm cell of Ben’s hut to match the blu ray footage. In the final product, the frame subtly shifts back and forth, as it should, to simulate the organic movement of a film reel.

How exactly did you achieve this? Was it a traditional avisynth script or through another editing program?

Thanks

Probably the safer option, I agree. I bought the Scope print a little while ago, so soon enough I’ll have a solid color reference to work with. It’d be interesting to see how well the timing carries over when I match a direct frame scan at 1800 dpi or so to an uncompressed blu ray frame. Most likely I’ll wind up using Dr_Dre’s fantastic color tool to do this.

Fortunately, I’ve found two 35mm trailers for sale. One is the original, american trailer, and the other is a German dub. As long as the color timing is consistent I’m not really concerned with the audio. Which to you think is the better option?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPONGE-BOB-SQ-PANTS-MOVIE-35mm-trailer-Film-Cell-Theater-Preview-SCOPE-animate-/262091068381?hash=item3d05d853dd:g:4dcAAOSwMmBV3eo7

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kino-Der-Spongebob-Schwammkopf-Film-35-mm-35mm-Film-Kinotrailer-Movie-N36-/111743558046?hash=item1a046f619e:g:lf4AAOSwHnFVzf1F

I own the 2005 widescreen DVD, and the color timing is one in the same with the Blu-ray. Do you know for sure if the Pan and Scan releases retain the theatrical appearance? I can’t seem to find any samples online, but it’d make my job here somewhat easier.

^^^^ Me everytime I’ve tried using Avisynth

I’ve compiled a few screenshot comparisons to better demonstrate the visual difference, especially in color. You can see that in re-rendering the movie for the Blu-ray, the frame has been considerably brightened in most every shot. Because of this, components such as the painted elements retained a greater amount of detail in the 35mm print than the current digital re-render. It wasn’t until I compiled these that I realized there were also a great deal of visual changes from this trailer to the Blu-ray as well. Given that we’re looking at the trailer, it’s unclear whether or not these changes were already present by the time of the finalized theatrical release, or were altered in post for the Blu-ray. I guess If I had a Cam Rip from 2004 I’d have a sure fire answer.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149708 (Bubbles now emerge when the door swings open)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149711

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149709 (“Shell City” sign now on top of the gift shop)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149713 (Completely different render)

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149704

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/149712

DrDre said:

Okay, I’ve ordered a Raiders laserdisc, and found a company that will transfer it to dvd.

What company is this? I might want to do the same in the future.

The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie: 35mm Re Creation

Goal: To restore the theatrical presentation of The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, through ‘filmizing’ the current release and preforming a shot-by-shot color retiming based on 35mm references.

Project Info: Every home release of The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie, since the 2005 DVD and VHS, has been sourced from a digital master, which more closely resembles that of the ongoing cartoon. The animated segments were digitally re rendered, possibly with an altered palette, and the live action segments have been noticeably retimed. The purpose of this project is to preserve the movie as it was was originally presented, on 35mm, during its 2004 theatrical run.

Source Material:

Video:

• The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie - 2011 Blu-ray

Audio:

• BD 5.1 Audio Track (For now)

• Isolated Score - Custom track I intend to compile down the line

Theatrical References:

• First Theatrical Trailer c. 2003 - an official scan from 2003 of a 35mm print, featured on Paramount’s website

• Final Theatrical Trailer c. 2004 - an official scan from 2010 of a 35mm print, featured on Paramount’s YouTube channel

• My own 35mm print of the final trailer, for the best possible color reference

• The.Spongebob.Squarepants.Movie.2004.PROPER.TELESYNC.XviD-INVASi (pending)

Original first post:

I’ll preface this by saying that Paramount did a fine job on the 2011 bluray release of The Spongebob Squarepants Movie (nowadays you have to write the whole title out, to differentiate from that recent blunder I’d rather not think of). The animation is straight from the source files, looks just as it did when it was animated, and the live action segments completely retain their grain, no DNR to be found.

But in its theatrical run, it was presented on 35mm. Paramount features, on their youtube channel, the theatrical trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv8xk7BKaNM), evidentially from an original 35mm print; you can clearly see constant grain and specks of dust on the frame throughout.

Point being, it’s enough proof to see just how the movie looked during its theatrical run (it seems this 2004 print was scanned for youtube in 2010, I doubt the image could have faded a great deal in that window of time). The colors are radically different, and even the movement of the animation from frame to frame feels a bit unique compared to the more familiar digital transfer, as to be expected (although I’m foreign to the technicalities of that sort of thing, I’m sure there’s an explanation someone else here can offer). It certainly retains that early 2000’s, “awkward-90’s-to-00’s” Nickelodeon appearance they quickly rid themselves of a short time later. It feels much more it’s era (if five years can be considered an era) than that of a straight 1080p re-render; despite the obvious advantage in accuracy.

I would love to see the movie just as it looked on film in 2004. Should I be the one to commence this project, my goal is to use the 2011 blu ray to recreate that exact appearance, down to the subtle back-and-forth jittering of the frame you can see exemplified in the trailer. Seeing it back in 2004 was probably one of my fondest movie-going experiences. I spent five years watching my favorite show grow and mature brilliantly, and it reached its grand finale in the form of this movie (what’s that called again? Nuh-stalj-a or something). It’s also probably the last of the fond memories I’ve harbored for Nickelodeon. Everything after that’s just kind of a blur to me.

Well thanks to this discussion I can safely say I want no part of the PT in the newer films. It’s been a good talk.

Nonsense! Get Haden Christiensen on the line, we're going on a trip to kamino for half the movie!

The real question is, why the hell would they put something like Ridley crying over a dead body in the trailer? Could they not have found a less revealing shot to fill that second and a half?

John Doom said:

Tallguy said:

What are the Verta rumors?

Basically, Mr. Verta said that his insiders working on TFA's effects department think it's not a good movie (and that they said the same of the prequels): after working on it for 3 months, they showed up "depressed", called it ILM (Incredibly Low Morale) and that it's not Star Wars, just another picture. Of course, as Mr. Verta said, they worked on the special effects, so maybe they didn't get the whole picture, who knows. Good to know their opinion too, though.

 Let me play the ultimate devil's advocate here, and say a great deal of people involved in the original Star Wars never thought the movie was good. 

Open the test image, then x out of the window that pops up. Open the reference image, and x out of the preview window again. Then building a model will become an option.

Right now I'm using this tool to play around with Toy Story:


1995 View-Master frame:




2009 BD:



Correction (slight grain added):




I went through this same process again, using the 1995 View-Master as a reference. This time I used a higher resolution screen from the blu ray to test. I'm content with the results:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/145100

If a fan project ever does come together years from now, even decades from now, I would simply call the trilogy 'Clone Wars', Episodes I-III/whatever. I think it fits nicely as a precursor to 'Star Wars', and to me at least it connects with the idea of this all being an alternate take on three pre existing films.

I know this thread is some two years old but I wouldn't mind it going on forever if it needs to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDLM-dXP-KE&t=2h37m35s

This fan edit utilizes the Japanese audio track and features Vader's yell. Hope this helps!

Hal 9000 said:

I did try to use the "Nooo" from the 2011 edition of Return Of The Jedi, but I couldn't make it work. The music was too powerful in the clip, and there's reverb of the existing "nooo" in most channels. I never really minded that moment too much, though it is cliche and un-Vader-like. What are ya gonna do? 

 The Japanese dub has Vader straight up yell instead of saying 'No'. The voice modulation makes it similar enough to James Earl Jones' voice. You could try that if you plan on making a revision.

If he detested the prequels, that would give him all the more opportunity to take the character of Anakin and make him a bit more respectable in this new film. Haden Christensen wasn't the issue, and the whole reason I want him back is because I feel he genuinely deserves another shot at this role.  

You guys are the best! I'll let you know if it works out this time.

http://makingstarwars.net/2015/09/two-rumors-about-darth-vader-in-future-star-wars-films/

uh oh, looks like I may actually get my wish yet.

That appears to be the case.

Hello,

I am trying to compile the AVCHD ISO of 2.5 from TehParadox. Through JDownloader 2.0 I have already successfully downloaded the 81 RAR files that make up the image.

Problem being is when attempting to extract and compile these files, the program does so up to around 50%, then gives me an error that I do not have enough disk space. I am doing this off of a flash drive with around 20GB of free space, and the error occurs when I still have around 16GB remaining. The whole ISO should only be 7.9 GB, right? Has anyone experienced a similar issue, and how can I fix it given my situation?

Thank you.

Hello,

I am trying to compile the AVCHD ISO of Harmy's Despecialized Edition from TehParadox. Through JDownloader I have already successfully downloaded the 81 RAR files that make up the image.

Problem being is when attempting to extract and compile these files, the program does so up to around 50%, then gives me an error that I do not have enough disc space. I am doing this off of a flash drive with around 20GB of free space, and this should be more than enough. Has anyone experienced a similar issue, and how can I fix it given my situation?

Thank you.