StarThoughts

It should be noted that there are several different fullscreen transfers of this film that often have the pick-up on different sides of the screen. For example, when Kirk first beams over to the floating office at the beginning, one full screen transfer shows Scotty, another shows the transporter operator next to him. There are a couple of moments when this sort of thing happens, but that's the one that springs to mind.

If a project were to attempt to combine sources in this manner, the Special Longer Version scenes ought to be checked to see if there isn't more information that could be incorporated because of this.

I don't think there were any audio remixes after the Special Longer Version was cut, though. The VHS and LD audio tracks were identical as I recall — it's a very center-heavy mix.

Additional variations: while the subtitles in the Klingon section were always in the same font, there are some video releases where the spoken Vulcan has the subtitles in a different font.

The 20th Anniversary Edition has the same mix as the original P&S edition. I know this because I made a tape recording of the VHS tape released at the same time as that original LD, and it was the same mix as on the THX LD box set.

The 5.1 sound mix that's on the DVD was significantly different, but as near as I can tell, that's the same mix that's on the Blu-ray. The DVD was the first time the original mono track was offered as an option on home video.

Oh, and the DVD track has the audience in stereo, while the LD is mono to make room for the commentary on the other analog channel.

These are restorations/preservations, not fan edits. Discussions of fan edits are in a different section of the forum.

I have checked the 20th Anniversary laserdisc against the 25th Anniversary DVD (the Blu-ray copy I have does not have an audience participation track).

The audience participation track is the same recording as that on the DVD as it is on the laserdisc, but it's mixed differently, with the film soundtrack more prominent on the DVD, while it is barely audible on the laserdisc (which actually makes it more tedious, because you can't hear what the audience is responding to).

However, the laserdisc track starts earlier, during the Fox Video logo — on the laserdisc there is the chant to “Start the @#$%ing flick,” while on the DVD there is a spoken disclaimer during the 20th Century Fox logo that there is no audience participation during “Super Heroes.”

The 1983 “Audience Partici — pation” album, on the other hand, is a distinct recording.

What's interesting about Fox botching the transfer here is that there are tons of references playing throughout the country at midnight on Friday and Saturday nights.

The laserdisc had the original home video remix. I think Chase stereo-ized the bulk of the soundtrack, but the songs were (mostly) sourced from the soundtrack album. It is definitely a different mix from what appeared on the DVDs and Blu-rays.

I will check the LD audience participation track when I get home. It might also be worthwhile for a definitive project to sync the “Audience Partici — pation” album as well.

I'm willing to contribute… keep us abreast!

Sergio Leone was a master and Once Upon a Time in the West was his masterpiece. Definitely interested in seeing the European cut with the correct play-out music.

I would like this as well, if I may.

Akton said: 

Thanks a lot... Now I have to go watch Career Opportunities.

Don't forget The Hot Spot! 

Okay, I wanted wait for the second version, but I really want to watch the movie… may I?

Spartacus is one of my favorite films, so the lackadaisical treatment it has gotten on high def has been particularly annoying to me.

However, there is apparently a new restoration of Spartacus that will be premiered along with Apollo 13, The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Steamboat Bill Jr. at the 2015 TCM Classic Film Festival.

http://www.wearemoviegeeks.com/2014/11/four-world-premiere-restorations-2015-tcm-film-festival-include-ron-howards-apollo-13-stanley-kubricks-spartacus/

Hopefully this will yield a new transfer that clears up the problems with the previous high def issues of this title.

I say both., that DTS ES mix is unique and is worth preserving.

Is the Cinema DTS track the only source for the original theatrical mix? Is what appears on the Blu-ray a near field mix?

No more training do you require. Already know you that which you need.

Congratulations Harmy!

towne32 said:

 

Probably the 2004 special edition. I don't think we have an HD broadcast of 97.

You  may be right about the source for DE 1.0, but I thought that there has been an HD broadcast of the '97 SE, which Team Blu is using as the basis for their '97 SE trilogy project.

Versions 2.1 and above are color-timed to a low-fade Technicolor IB print, and the colors are therefore accurate to the 1977 theatrical release.

I believe that the body of 1.0 was from an HD broadcast of the '97 Special Editions.

To bring this back on topic, was there any commercial release or otherwise of Bruce Broughton's score, aside from the suite conducted by Erich Kunzel contained on the Telarc Fantastic Journey CD?

skoal said:

StarThoughts said:

... you're the one insisting on using your own made-up acronym ...

I didn't know you were the authority on acronyms, nor did I know there was an authority-at-all on acronyms.

I'm not… but neither are you. In case you missed the point DVD-BOY and I were making, the “BD” acronym was established by the companies that developed the technology, and is the accepted acronym for the format. That's been the case for years before you “solidified your opinion on BR vs BD vs BRD” (whatever that means) and isn't really open for debate.

I will say there is truth to having acronyms be understood, however we're commenting on BD vs BR on originaltrillogy.com. With the context provided, if you didn't understand I meant Blu-Ray with BR, then you're not as intelligent as I thought.

No, I'm pretty dumb. I tend to use words and terms that I know other people will recognize, because it's my understanding that is how this whole “language” thing works.

You can reply to this post, however I will refrain because this has now gone off-topic.

Go have a nice day.

Aw shucks, I was hoping that you could actually give your reasons for despising the acronyms “BD” and “BRD” (I'm sure they're very amusing), but thank you very much for the last word.

And I shall indeed have a very nice day.

But the fault does lie with you… you're the one insisting on using your own made-up acronym for something that already has one. DVD-BOY demonstrated that the correct acronym is well-established legally and commercially, and as I pointed out, the acronym you're refusing to use appears on the spine of almost every single commercial Blu-ray ever produced.

Whatever your reasons for disliking the acronym for BD are your own foibles, and have nothing to do with anybody else. The resistance you're seeing is because it's silly to just show up somewhere (particularly a message board as technically-oriented as this one), start using your own personal terminology nobody else uses, and not expect to be called out on it.

skoal said:

Please note, I'm open to being convinced (but not flamed) otherwise, however just a few days ago I solidified my opinion on BR vs BD vs BRD.

I'm not sure what issue you may have with “BD,” but your use of “BR” as an acronym for blu-rays is, quite simply, factually incorrect. The acronym is “BD,” and has been since the inception of the format.

Every single commercially available Blu-ray has a stylized “BD” logo on it somewhere. It looks like this.

Hal 9000 said:

Yoda seems eager to let major issues slide with Ezra that he is very critical of with Luke. I guess his metamorphisis into a crank is only about 65% complete by this point.

Yeah, but Ezra still has a master that will be training him, while Luke was irresponsible and went and got his killed in the previous movie. Yoda was probably just being lazy in Empire… when 900 years old you reach, eager to train young Jedi you will not be.

EyeShotFirst said:

He claimed he used this soundtrack and a mono mix (where he got that, I haven't a clue). 

The mono track was preserved on the Dolby linear tracks of certain VHS editions, while the stereo track was in HiFi.

I have to admit that I hate how this practice has been implemented. It wouldn't be so bad if once the decision was made to make part of a sequence in IMAX, then the entire sequence should be, and not be made up of shots filmed in both formats.

The IMAX version of Interstellar is a perfect example. Don't get me wrong, what shots they chose to present in IMAX were certainly breathtaking, but parts feel a bit more fragmented than they should because of the shift from 35 millimeter to IMAX, which effects not just the aspect ratio, but the resolution, brightness and saturation of the image. It was very distracting to myself, and several people I saw the film with, some of whom were not cinéasts.

Especially with them all singing “When You Wish Upon a Star” at the end…

Isn't the Muppet Show episode with Luke, Artoo and Threepio with Chewie kidnapped by weird turkeys considered canon?