StarChewyWar

I’m sure by now EVERYONE(even Patton Oswalt) has heard of the great Machete Order, but that order has one humongous problem : Why do you need to watch Attack of the Clones AGAIN? Unless you’re an OT die hard, you probably think Revenge of the Sith isn’t that bad a movie. So I have a solution for the people who have already seen all the Star Wars movies and sorta like ROTS :

1. Star Wars(1977)
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi

No romantic dialouge about sand. Absolutely no Jar Jar besides a cameo. All the benefits of the Machete Order. The reason I decided to skip AOTC is because all it is is setup for ROTS. Really bad setup. Even if his romance with Padme is Anakin’s reason for going evil, it’s so butchered that skipping it is actually better. You already know that Palpatine is the Emperor so you might as well just skip to the movie where it’s revealed he’s the Emperor. Aside from just watching the OT with Harmy’s Despecialized Editions, this is the best way for Star Wars veterans to enjoy Star Wars IMO. Revenge of the Sith really isn’t that bad, and its Blu Ray release is the best of the bunch. Watch it in this order and your body will be ready for The Force Awakens.

Oh. 😛

Harmy said:

I don’t know what to answer first 😄
The nostril thing, I guess - there is a problem with the animation, though I don’t think is so much with the nostrils, as it is that it changes directions too fast. But since TN1 already released an HD sample of the complete scene, even if I didn’t get a better source, there would be no reason to keep the animated version in a potential new release of SW - I’d just use a 35mm source for the lizard.

Now that brings me to the next step after Jedi 2.0 and the posibility of a v3.0 release - the next step is ESB and the ROTJ v2.5. I might do 3.0 eventually but it would be a release of the entire trilogy at once, where ESB and ROTJ would be pretty much just 1080p upgrades of v2.5s (all of despecializing was still done at 720p for ESB v2.0, so all those shots would have to be redone and I’d have to redo the color correction and the cut at 1080p as well) but for Star Wars, it would have to be a complete new version from scratch, so don’t expect v3.0 or the upgrade to 1080p any time soon, if ever - seriously, I’m not promissing anything and I’ve had these plans for a long time but plans can change and I didn’t want to get anyone’s hopes up too high and I still don’t. It’s the same thing with this ROTJ workprint - I’ve been putting it together for quite a while now but I kept it under wraps, because I had no idea when the circumstances would allow me to finish it in a presentable state.

Concerning 4K, that would be just redundant without a new, very good 4K scan of the original negative - Scanning theatrical prints in 4K is great, because it allows for nice 2K results after the necessary resizing, cropping and other manipulation, but the detail present in a 4K scan of a print still doesn’t come anywhere near the detail seen on the BD, which is a shitty 1080p scan of the negative, and even this scan doesn’t resolve much beyond 720p. The BD does resolve a little bit beyond 720p, so there would still be some small merrit to a 1080p version but it doesn’t resolve all the detail possible with 1080p and 4K scans of prints resolve even less detail, so 4K would have no merrit at all, even sourced from a 4K scan of a print.

As to the GOUT sync, thanks for the info - the cut is not locked down yet, so I think I will still be able to make sure it’s NTSC synced, which, as CatBut correctly pointed out, has always been the plan for the final v2.0 version but it was just easier to keep the WP synced with v1.0, because I used v1.0 quite a lot when making it - most of the color-correction is just v1.0’s chroma with a bit of a tweak, and all the Jabba subs shots are just inserted in from v1.0. This is very much temporary and neither will be the case in v2.0 but it was a great way to expedite the proces to get the WP out in time for TFA.

Wait, I’m confused. How can a 4K scan of a print have less quality than the terrible 720p Blu Rays?

I was just wondering whether or not it would be possible to create a higher quality transfer than the official 2006 GOUT. That way, an upscale by someone like Dark Jedi(who’s done a fantastic job) would look even better. What’s the best fan laserdisc transfer? Is it possible to do better?

imperialscum said:

StarChewyWar said:

As for fan edits, I think the only prequel that’s unsalvageable is The Phantom Menace. Doesn’t matter how much you edit it, there’s still not a relatable main character in sight unless you dub Jar Jar or something.

TPM is quite okay as it is to be honest. Obviously not good but still watchable. I can easily relate to either Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan. If you somehow cut out Jar Jar, there are very few annoying things left. On the other hand, AOTC is in fact unfixable. There is a clear main character and he is super annoying (much more than Jar Jar in TPM). I cannot see how anyone could even remotely relate to Anakin in AOTC.

Qui Gon is a generic good guy who wants to train Anakin for the sake of the plot. Change Obi Wan’s name and he’s as boring as green potatoes. As for Anakin later on, if you cut out all his excessive whining, he really becomes like this autistic yes man who craves order. It’s clear he has something mentally wrong with him.

ImperialFighter said:

Just wanted to add a couple of my own thoughts on this, in the run-up to the next instalment -

I’m aware that there are a few who believe that ignoring the ‘TPM’ movie altogether improves the ‘prequels’ substantially, since you start with an ‘older Anakin’ storyline with ‘AOTC’ at least.

But I don’t think it makes any difference in the scheme of things, due to the fact that each prequel is as dreadfully bad as the other two, in my opinion…thanks to their overall poorly-conceived plotlines, dire dialogue, crass childishness, and awful acting in places. Oh, and don’t forget the numerous examples of disappointingly-poor, over-the-top effects work in certain areas too! It’s just one awkward moment from start to finish throughout the trilogy, and you don’t have to wait long for one to come along.

Whereas I can still feel a strong attachment to nearly every single moment of the original (theatrical) trilogy over the years…any re-watch of the prequels just makes me cringe, dammit! And the years haven’t improved them in any way for me, unfortunately.

However…despite all that, there remains some highly-memorable imagery and music throughout the prequels…so I was inspired by certain fan edits to see if it was at all possible to come up with any kind of potential ‘cut list’ which could improve the many moments that bothered me personally.

Although I highly doubted there would be, I was pleasantly surprised to find that there are indeed ways to re-edit them into something which I would be happy to re-watch with my family someday. In fact, nearly every dodgy scene and moment which annoyed me, had a possible alteration/or removal I preferred, it turned out! (and TMBTM’s radical style of editing was a big encouragement for me not to be precious about any particular footage, and to consider trying to re-structure/or remove it in a major way in certain instances, if I preferred it that way)

It’s been a very time-consuming challenge, but I’ve now got a lengthy ‘cut-list’ for each prequel which gives me a version of the saga which conveys George’s intended ‘tragic downfall of Anakin’ storyline in way that’s a lot less ridiculous than his (or Frinks!) version…where Anakin and Padme both come across as far more appealing to me now, with a far more slow-burning ‘relationship’ than what the existing versions portray - thanks to drastically removing a lot of their woeful dialogue throughout each movie, as well as completely removing a couple of their more odious scenes altogether! In the case of their interactions together, less is a whole lot more, I reckon.

But on top of finding a way to rejig their ‘romance’ into something that doesn’t make me throw up, there were a few other crucial sequences that I wasn’t sure if I could re-structure in a way that would absolutely satisfy me - namely ‘Palpatine’s fight with Windu’/his ‘transformation’ into the Emperor’ during it/and ‘Anakin becoming his apprentice’ just afterwards…as well as the whole ‘ROTS’ ending concerning ‘Anakin’s fate’ & ‘Padme’s childbirth/death’ and sequence of events afterwards which round off the prequel trilogy. Well, I’m especially pleased with what I’ve come up with for all of those, and it’s made the whole time I spent on looking at these damned prequels worthwhile.

Palpatine’s ‘transformation’ the subsequent dialogue with Anakin was one of the most problematic things I played around with throughout the whole trilogy, as it’s as ludicrous as Vader’s final scene, I reckon - and it took me ages to come up with a way to make some of the existing footage work in a way that restores the Emperor’s gravitas somewhat, despite the dodgy make-up. It’s one of the alterations that I’m most happy with. The way that the Emperor and Vader were portrayed during those moments in ‘ROTS’ were amongst the worst disappointments in the prequels for me…but these ended up to be some of the alterations that I’m most happy with. (and I hope to be able to show clips of what I’ve come up with at some point in the coming months, one way or another)

While I’m not expecting any mentions of ‘midiclorians’(!) to be feature in the upcoming movie…I’m curious to see if it will end up mentioning ‘the chosen one’ notion or not, as well as whether there’s going to be any reference to the Jedi not being allowed to have ‘personal relationships’…as there’s ways to remove them altogether from the prequel movies.

Anyway, future discussions on the prequels are bound to run and run for a long time to come, seeing as the franchise is being thrust into the limelight again over the coming years. So I’ll leave you all with these recent links on the subject to contemplate on, as some of the accompanying comments underneath are always interesting to read -

TPM - io9.com/star-wars-the-phantom-menace-doesnt-really-get-what-it-1742188503

AOTC - io9.com/attack-of-the-clones-is-a-star-wars-wish-fulfillment-ch-1743553858

ROTS - io9.com/sure-revenge-of-the-sith-is-the-best-star-wars-prequel-1744646183

Well, at least skipping The Phantom Menace gives you 2 hours less of prequels. As for fan edits, I think the only prequel that’s unsalvageable is The Phantom Menace. Doesn’t matter how much you edit it, there’s still not a relatable main character in sight unless you dub Jar Jar or something. In my opinion, the best way to do it is to combine all of the prequels into one movie Topher Grace style. Most edits like these just keep the Darth Maul lightsaber battle from Phantom Menace and jump straight into Attack of the Clones. It just gives you more meat to work with, and you don’t have to worry about cutting too much. You can show Obi Wan and Anakin are actually friends because there’s more footage of them.

TV’s Frink said:

StarChewyWar said:
Even if you don’t like it, it still improves Return of the Jedi a bit.

TV’s Frink said:

StarChewyWar said:
For people who have already seen all of Star Wars, watch it in this order:

1. Star Wars(1977)
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi

You get all the benefits of the Machete Order with none of that romantic dialouge about sand. Attack of the Clones’s main purpose is to contextualize and give necessary information for Revenge of the Sith, but you don’t need to watch it again unless you have terrible memory.

You don’t need to watch Revenge of the Sith no matter the state of your memory.

Jeez, it’s not that bad! Even if you don’t like it, it still improves Return of the Jedi a bit.

towne32 said:

Darth Id said:

towne32 said:

I feel the same way. On the rare occurrance that I view the six films, I want the PT over and done with…

Serious question: why do you continue repeatedly (albeit “rarely”) to watch movies you do not enjoy?

Not very serious answer: I’m searching for the part of my comment that says I don’t enjoy them at all and finding nothing. It’s a relatively short comment, so I’ll read it a few more times to be sure. I did misspell occurrence, though. I meant to correct it at the time, but I guess I just pressed post.

Slightly more serious answer: I enjoy them in some ways. They aren’t anywhere remotely near the quality of the OT, though. So I don’t want to switch back and forth between the two. I get the idea of machete order for people who want the twists preserved, but I’m not sure what the point is when you know who Palps and Vader are.

For people who have already seen all of Star Wars, watch it in this order:

1. Star Wars(1977)
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. Return of the Jedi

You get all the benefits of the Machete Order with none of that romantic dialouge about sand. Attack of the Clones’s main purpose is to contextualize and give necessary information for Revenge of the Sith, but you don’t need to watch it again unless you have terrible memory. I’m calling it THE LUNCHMAN ORDER! Why Lunchman? I don’t know. Another benefit is that these movies have the highest quality releases. Despecialized for the OT and Blu Ray for Revenge of the Sith. The other prequel Blu Rays are all waxy and have too much DNR.

I’m going to watch the worst movies of all time beforw The Force Awakens, so that there is no possible way it could dissapoint me. Twilight, Attack of the Clones, Birdemic, you name it. After my bad movie marathon, I’m going to invite my friends to watch Machete Order and then The Force Awakens. Foolproof.

DominicCobb said:

StarChewyWar said:

Yeah I should probably calm down lol. I just can’t see how this movie can be more compelling than ROTS. It’s the one where Anakin becomes Darth Vader! It’s what we’ve always wanted to see!

Exactly. So if you think Lucas failed to properly portray this, then ROTS is an even bigger disappointment than the other two prequels.

Yes I do, but all that is in the previous prequels where Anakin goes from being a happy little kid to spoiled stalker. He’s less whiny in Revenge of the Sith.

joefavs said:

All of the actual meat of Palpatine’s scheming is in Clones though. That’s where he starts a war by playing both sides, that’s where he starts getting inside Anakin’s head, that’s where he begins consolidating political power. Yes, the events of Sith are more dramatic and depending on your opinion more effectively realized, but it’s all just payoff for stuff that was set up in the previous movie.

Setup horribly you mean. Romance is the reason Anakin turns to the dark side, and I don’t think I need to tell you it was setup horribly in Clones. I think Palpatine bringing Anakin to the dark side and creating the frickn Empire is more important than orchestrating some war where we never really get to see any casualties. I mean Clones might work on paper, but it’s so horribly realized that I can’t even consider it better than ROTS even hypothetically. You know which prequel had the most wasted potential? The Phantom Menace. Why? Because it’s a Star Wars movie before A New Hope. Isn’t that exciting? Maybe we could see Anakin falling to the Dark Side or the Jedi in their prime! Instead we got… trade negotations. Wanna see someone who’s actually doing a good job of rewriting the prequels? Look up Dresden Codak’s Star Wars 1999, where everything after the Phantom Menace never happened. As of now, we’ve only gotten descriptions and concept art, but it looks great.

joefavs said:

I’m honestly kind of surprised by how many people have come into this thread with guns blazing. I wasn’t aware that passions ran this hot when comparing the prequels with each other. I agree with Harmy; the bones of something more compelling than the other two are there, but the pacing is so abysmal that they’re easy to miss. The upswing of that, though, is that whenever I give it another chance and try to watch it I usually get so bored I turn it off before I can get angry at the droid factory and the Yoda fight. So that’s . . . good?

Yeah I should probably calm down lol. I just can’t see how this movie can be more compelling than ROTS. It’s the one where Anakin becomes Darth Vader! It’s what we’ve always wanted to see! The way Palpatine entices Anakin is very cleverly done and not a lot of people give Lucas credit for that. Even if the opening scene is poorly executed, at least it feels like Star Wars. I don’t understand how the Phantom Menace’s boring monotoneness can be seen as Star Wars-y. Unless you find Jar Jar funny. The best thing in the prequels is Palpatine not Darth Maul. At least it requires some acting, and Ian McDiarmid is a great actor. You can see it in Return of the Jedi and in Revenge of the Sith. He’s the one character besides Jar Jar who acts like a human being with personality and emotion. He loves being evil, and you gotta respect that.

13las said:

“Similar to Story and Plot, there’s a clear difference between Mystery and Suspense, but basically Suspense > Mystery. Why? Suspense also has to do with emotion while Mystery is just something you don’t know. Oh my god there’s a green cat for some reason. Such mystery. Call Sherlock Holmes.”

-Is it really necessary to point out the flaw in this logic? Suspense and mystery are not comparable concepts, and you negated your own definition of Mystery as ‘something you don’t know’ with a reference to Sherlock Holmes – titular character of some of the the most famous mysteries in literature that were astronomically more sophisticated than ‘something you don’t know’. A large part of that was suspense, as in consequences for not solving the mystery or a ticking clock. Just to show that suspense is a means of driving mystery.

“Let’s me give you Alfredo’s favorite example. Say there’s two people sitting and talking. Under them is a bomb that will blow up at 2 o clock. Neither the audience nor the characters know this. Bomb blows up. Two seconds of tension. Let’s redo it. We tell the audience there’s a bomb under the two people. Through the conversation, you begin to care about them. You wanna scream at them “THERE’S A BOMB! GET OUT!”. They keep talking. It’s 2:00. Don’t show the bomb blowing up. Up to 10 minutes of tension. THAT’S suspense.”

-Hitchcock was describing the difference between SURPRISE and SUSPENSE in this example. Mystery is not present here except for if the audience is meant to wonder who placed the bomb under the table and why. Or if the mystery a detective was solving elsewhere could prevent the bomb from detonating.

"The other main PLOT is the romance, and of course we know that was masterful sarcasm. "

-This is not plot. This is STORY. The plot is Anakin and Padmé hide on Naboo from Padmé’s attackers.

—I agree with a lot of what you’re saying in general terms but someone needed to take you down a peg, you’ve been wrong about almost everything you’ve said so arrogantly.

The Sherlock Holmes thing is just a joke, and yes I’ll admit it’s WAY better at creating suspense than the average mystery conspiracy thing you see in every TV show now. In fact, the whole ticking clock thing where if someone dies if they don’t solve the case counts more as suspense than mystery. When I was giving Hitchcock’s example, I was JUST describing only Suspense and showing how much more entertaining it can be. As for the romance plot/story thing, if it can be said in literal terms, it’s plot. Anakin and Padme fall in love. At least that’s the way I think of it. And if it IS story, then the only emotion I got from that was pain and a lot of cringing lol

I’d like to bring up another point. People here seem to think that when Lucas created the prequels, he was actually trying to create a good story. He was actually just making a mirror image of the original trilogy and calling it poetry. It’s called the Star Wars Ring Theory, and it’ll pretty much explain why the prequels suck. So if you wanted Lucas’s way of thinking of the prequels, make a mirror of the Empire Strikes Back.

timdiggerm said:

StarChewyWar said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Best from a storytelling POV. That doesn’t make it good; it’s still an abject failure.

From an aesthetic POV, I’d say TPM is the best of the prequels.

-_- Do you guys even know what storytelling IS? Are you talking about plot? Like cohesiveness? Yoda with a lightsaber, totally not contradicting anything in the original trilogy. There is a very clear difference between story and plot. Story is the emotional value of the movie. Plot is just what happens. I could tell you the first Star Wars is about a farmer boy growing up, but the plot would be that Luke Skywalker needs to blow up the Death Star. Normally Story > Plot but in fantasy, you need a cohesive universe for a truly immersive experience. Let’s how cohesive AOTC is :

OT: Darth Vader is badass
Clones: Anakin is a whiny stalker brat
OT: Yoda is an eccentric pacifist
Clones: Yoda is a humorless idiot who think lightsabers are better than the force
OT: Obi Wan and Anakin used to be friends.
Clones: Obi Wan and Anakin practically hate each other.
OT:Great movies overall.
Clones: Awful even by a non geek’s standards.

Pretty sure you’re describing what you called “Story”

Some of these carry over to Revenge of the Sith, but they were introduced mainly in Attack of the Clones. So Attack of the Clones definetly doesn’t have the best PLOT. The entire prequel trilogy has terrible plot, especially the Phantom Menace. You guys seem to be blinded by Harmy’s description of the movie.

If by “blinded” you mean “convinced”?

Try mentioning the love story and the scenes where they do nothing bit talk. Revenge of the Sith is CLEARLY the best prequel. The past two movies have definetly done their damage on the plot, but Revenge of the Sith doesn’t really offend the original trilogy in a new way.

Again, sounds like “story” not “plot”

Besides that, it’s a pretty good movie. I don’t understand the hate.

Generally, around here, most folks think ROTS is the best prequel, in terms of “is this an enjoyable movie?” So, that’s not hate. But…

tl:dr Revenge of the Sith is the best prequel since there is actually a compelling STORY.

Again, that may be so, but we’re saying it lacks something like the “solve a mystery” plot of AOTC.

Did you even read my post or this thread for that matter? Even in the OP, Harmy states that ROTS is painful. Also, story and plot mean different things, and I even said what they mean! Story is the emotion, Plot is what happens. Need me to repeat that? It seemed that people were judgeing AOTC by how much it makes sense or fits in with the rest of Star Wars, so I gave reasons as to why this isn’t true. If ypu want to go even FURTHER indepth as to why the plot sucks, I’ll be happy to oblige. I’ll be relying on my buddy Alfred Hitchcock(one of the greatest directors of all so you don’t get confused again). Similar to Story and Plot, there’s a clear difference between Mystery and Suspense, but basically Suspense > Mystery. Why? Suspense also has to do with emotion while Mystery is just something you don’t know. Oh my god there’s a green cat for some reason. Such mystery. Call Sherlock Holmes. Let’s me give you Alfredo’s favorite example. Say there’s two people sitting and talking. Under them is a bomb that will blow up at 2 o clock. Neither the audience nor the characters know this. Bomb blows up. Two seconds of tension. Let’s redo it. We tell the audience there’s a bomb under the two people. Through the conversation, you begin to care about them. You wanna scream at them “THERE’S A BOMB! GET OUT!”. They keep talking. It’s 2:00. Don’t show the bomb blowing up. Up to 10 minutes of tension. THAT’S suspense. In AOTC, Obi Wan is trying to find out who killed the bounty hunter and the whole mystery of Kamino. But even the mystery doesn’t work cause we know it’s Palpatine! The other main PLOT is the romance, and of course we know that was masterful sarcasm.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Best from a storytelling POV. That doesn’t make it good; it’s still an abject failure.

From an aesthetic POV, I’d say TPM is the best of the prequels.

-_- Do you guys even know what storytelling IS? Are you talking about plot? Like cohesiveness? Yoda with a lightsaber, totally not contradicting anything in the original trilogy. There is a very clear difference between story and plot. Story is the emotional value of the movie. Plot is just what happens. I could tell you the first Star Wars is about a farmer boy growing up, but the plot would be that Luke Skywalker needs to blow up the Death Star. Normally Story > Plot but in fantasy, you need a cohesive universe for a truly immersive experience. Let’s how cohesive AOTC is :

OT: Darth Vader is badass
Clones: Anakin is a whiny stalker brat
OT: Yoda is an eccentric pacifist
Clones: Yoda is a humorless idiot who think lightsabers are better than the force
OT: Obi Wan and Anakin used to be friends.
Clones: Obi Wan and Anakin practically hate each other.
OT:Great movies overall.
Clones: Awful even by a non geek’s standards.

Some of these carry over to Revenge of the Sith, but they were introduced mainly in Attack of the Clones. So Attack of the Clones definetly doesn’t have the best PLOT. The entire prequel trilogy has terrible plot, especially the Phantom Menace. You guys seem to be blinded by Harmy’s description of the movie. Try mentioning the love story and the scenes where they do nothing bit talk. Revenge of the Sith is CLEARLY the best prequel. The past two movies have definetly done their damage on the plot, but Revenge of the Sith doesn’t really offend the original trilogy in a new way. Besides that, it’s a pretty good movie. I don’t understand the hate. In my mind there’s
THE MASTERPIECES

• Star Wars 1977
• The Empire Strikes Back
  THE GOOD
• Return of the Jedi
• Revenge of the Sith
  THE SANDY
• The Phantom Menace
• Attack of the Clones

tl:dr Revenge of the Sith is the best prequel since there is actually a compelling STORY. Learn the frickn difference!

You guys are kidding, right? Attack of the Clones? Best of the prequels?

“I don’t like sand. It’s coarse, rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.”

NEVER FORGET

Shoulda done it in Machete Order. Then she’d like A New Hope. You can include The Phantom Menace if you want.

joefavs said:

StarChewyWar said:

joefavs said:

I’d actually like to see something set in the prequel era. I think a well-written and competently directed film tied into the PT could do a lot to redeem that section of the timeline.

As far as Boba Fett goes, recent rumors about Michael B. Jordan being up for a part got me thinking about a neat scenario that I hope they use. In Aftermath, there’s an interlude where a character on Tatooine tries to buy a set of Mandalorian armor heavily implied to be Fett’s from the Jawas. I think it would be cool if Jordan played a new character who ends up with the armor and starts impersonating Fett, thinking like everyone else that he’s dead. He isn’t, of course, and either A.) he’s not wild about Jordan’s character using his reputation and hunts him down or B.) he develops some kind of elaborate plot that hinges on the fact that Jordan’s posing as him. The rumor itself is probably bogus, but if not, I think this is a good direction to take it in.

That’s a pretty weird concept for a Boba Fett movie. Maybe Michael B Jordan is just playing a new character in the movie. Also, I think the prequels are too janky to be fixed. How do you explain midichlorians?

You wouldn’t, you’d just ignore it. There are plenty of stories to be told in that era where there would never even be any reason to mention midichlorians. In fact, since the prequels were already almost entirely focused on the Jedi, I think chances are if they went that route it would follow someone other than the Force users. The criminal underworld, maybe, or some other aspect of the war. It might even be kind of cool to have an Indiana Jones kind of thing set around or just before the time of TPM where characters find out about something that happened much earlier. Maybe that’s how you re-canonize some of the stuff that worked from Darth Bane and/or KOTOR. I’m rambling at this point, but I’m just super curious what a movie set during the Clone Wars or before with real sets and practical creatures and a sane script would look like. Not only that, I think that’s a good era for world-building stuff that’s maybe interesting but only tangentially linked to the main saga, since I’m so much less invested in the story of the prequels.

Well, the Genndy Tartavosky Clone Wars pretty much perfectly showed the timeline in between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Some people want to see a Palpatine movie, but I say NAY! I don’t want to suck out the mystery of that character. He’s much more threatening when he’s a mysterious behind the scenes manipulator even if he is the best character in the prequels. If the movie was centered around a Jedi, the movie would be boring because of lifeless prequel Jedis are, so an Old Republic movie might not be a good option. Really the only movie with prequel characters that could be good would be an Obi Wan movie which I outlined in my first post.

joefavs said:

I’d actually like to see something set in the prequel era. I think a well-written and competently directed film tied into the PT could do a lot to redeem that section of the timeline.

As far as Boba Fett goes, recent rumors about Michael B. Jordan being up for a part got me thinking about a neat scenario that I hope they use. In Aftermath, there’s an interlude where a character on Tatooine tries to buy a set of Mandalorian armor heavily implied to be Fett’s from the Jawas. I think it would be cool if Jordan played a new character who ends up with the armor and starts impersonating Fett, thinking like everyone else that he’s dead. He isn’t, of course, and either A.) he’s not wild about Jordan’s character using his reputation and hunts him down or B.) he develops some kind of elaborate plot that hinges on the fact that Jordan’s posing as him. The rumor itself is probably bogus, but if not, I think this is a good direction to take it in.

That’s a pretty weird concept for a Boba Fett movie. Maybe Michael B Jordan is just playing a new character in the movie. Also, I think the prequels are too janky to be fixed. How do you explain midichlorians?

imperialscum said:

StarChewyWar said:

imperialscum said:

To be completely honest, I do not want any of the OT characters or events be stained. So I don’t really want any directly OT-related spinoffs.

Stained? I doubt the original trilogy can be stained more than the prequels.

Well PT obviously stained a lot of OT stuff. But that doesn’t mean now the clean stuff (like Han Solo) should just be stained as well.

I repeat. Han Solo written by LAWRENCE KASDAN. Directed by the directors of the LEGO Movie. Lots of potential.

Anchorhead said:

If they cast Solo correctly and stick to a serious story, A Han Solo stand-alone could be be really interesting. They need to stay away from the OT. The world is very aware of Han Solo and who he is as a person. We don’t need a bunch of name-checks or OT references. Something along the lines of the Brian Daley novels. Han Solo and Chewie long before we ever met them.

I’d go with Stars’ End and tweak it as necessary. Show us The Corporate Sector. Let us meet Jessa. That’s a perfect spot for a female lead. Nothing wrong with taking a break from The Empire, The Force, and The Sith for a few hours. I’d certainly welcome it.

Emma Stone in her natural blonde would make a great Jessa.

I think Disney shouldn’t adapt Expanded Universe storylines because it’s just lazy. I think I’d rather see Lawrence Kasdan’s take on Han Solo’s past than an adaptation of an obscure EU novel. I know there’s some good stuff in there, but why would you want to see the same story again?

Anchorhead said:

Tobar said:

I’d love more films without Force users. Which is why I’m the most excited about Rogue One. A series of films that cover the GCW would be awesome.

I agree. They have the opportunity to move out of the Solar System Far Far Away. Here’s hoping they do just that. No force, no Jedi, no Sith. Get back to the mystery and the wonder.

Yeah, it’s like the only planets are Tatooine, Coruscant, the Death Star, and Naboo. Tatooine comes out in 5/6 of the movies. Coruscant is in 4/6 thanks to special edition changes. Naboo and the Death Star are in 3/6.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

StarChewyWar said:

What about an Old Republic movie? This could be the chance to retcon midichlorians or show the Sith in their prime. Maybe a scumbag Sith cons people into thinking they could be Jedi with that midichlorian blood count thing.

Ugh. How about we just pretend midichlorians don’t exist and refuse to mention them in future works instead?

True. I think Disney is trying to avoid inside jokes and movies overly reliant on the original and prequel trilogies. Why do you think there’s new characters for The Force Awakens? All the announced spinoffs seem pretty standalone. They know there’s idiots who go into a sequel without watching anything before even if its 10 movies in.