G&G-Fan said:
BedeHistory731 said:
It also shrinks the universe a little and turns the Skywalkers into the most important family in the galaxy. I don’t like the idea of lineage dictating a character’s power. Luke being a nobody who happens to be the son of a random Jedi and not the son of an all-time powerful Jedi/regional manager of the Empire sounds a bit better to me at the moment. I hate how lineage becomes so important, especially to the fan (and Abrams’) perspective.
Star Wars is supposed to be a family soap opera, according to George Lucas. If you don’t like it, then you just don’t really like Star Wars.
I think that’s unfair. George Lucas is classically unreliable, and I think all we can gleam from that statement is that 1-6 ended up as a family soap opera. In 1977, the only Skywalker that mattered was Luke, and I don’t think you could say that Star Wars was about the Skywalker family until the 2000s. Lineage as BedeHistory describes it wouldn’t even really be as big as it is now until after Disney.
Also, damn it’s almost like things from one family member get passed down to another. Sounds like you didn’t take a lot of science classes cause it seems you know nothing about genetics.
Luke trains to become a Jedi because he’s inspired by his father, not because he’s genetically a good bet to be a good Jedi. He’s intrigued by the mystery of what the father who was missing from his life was.
I disagree with BedeHistory. I think everyone here kind of knows Star Wars went wrong somewhere, and I think even though we all like all three OT movies, a lot of modern Star Wars’s problems can be traced back to decisions made during the OT’s production. Where I think BedeHistory goes wrong is in pushing it back too far, and rejecting too much from the OT, the good and the bad.
I understand why she (?) feels that way, though. George Lucas doesn’t seem to have ever really understood why Darth Vader being Luke’s father worked so well, and I mean, I completely agree with BedeHistory’s frustration with Disney Star Wars’s obsession with lineages.
Having Vader once be the man Obi-Wan described Luke’s father as immediately adds way more depth to his character. Without combining Vader and Anakin they both become a lot less complex and interesting.
I agree with this completely. Vader being Luke’s father makes Vader a lot less of a one-dimensional character and gives the story of the OT much, much more depth. This is why I believe ESB is what put the actual story of Star Wars into the relevance that it has.
But was it worth it? I think so, but I think BedeHistory has a good case for why she thinks it wasn’t. I mean, you say that the concept works poorly on screen, but it worked perfectly fine in 1977. For 3 years, BedeHistory’s ideas are exactly what Star Wars was. The movie never needed sequels, and it would’ve been perfectly fine without them, even though I think it would’ve been worse off. But there’s still an appeal to imagine a simpler timeline where Star Wars was a one-hit wonder.
Since when was the universe feeling vast more important then character depth and the characters having meaningful relationships with one another? Because if you ask me that was never.
That’s not what they’re arguing.