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#1036283
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Sir Ridley said:

And also, Chewies arm can be seen briefly at the edge of the screen and he is seen in the crowd shot as well. Perhaps this could be covered up, to make it seem like he went straight inside.

I would definitely vote to go ahead and just crop him out. Out of sight, out of mind. And JJ himself said it was a mistake on his part. Great job with the music, too!

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#1032904
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Great work, Sir Ridley! This is really coming together!

NeverarGreat said:
I feel like a broken record saying this yet again, but why isn’t the castle a seething pandemonium when they see the First Order on the attack?

I like to think it is the fact that no one has probably seen a Star Destroyer or TIE Fighters for 30 years, so most of the people are just staring in disbelief at what they’re witnessing. The shock eventually wears off though and they all scream and scatter, like some already have according to the background screams in the initial shots.

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#1032346
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Return of the Jedi - Remastered
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Yeah, I almost missed it the first time. I had earbuds in when I was watching that part so that might be why I caught it. You may be content with it but I just thought I would point it out to you just in case. If you decide to fix it, the easiest option would be to remove it, or use an earlier line of Boussh’s maybe.

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#1032326
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Nah, the movie hasn’t been modified nearly enough to merit that. Not a bad idea, though, with the title motif.
The crawl will merely include a few descriptors for political background, like “…sinister FIRST ORDER has risen in secret from the ashes of the fractured Empire,” and, “Failing to convince the New Republic of this looming threat, General Leia Organa mobilizes a covert RESIATANCE to…”

Cool! I’m glad your using bits of what I had suggested. “mobilizes a covert RESISTANCE” sounds great too.

With Finn saying “They’ve done it.”, it honestly might take a group effort to make it work. Maybe starting from scratch, adding completely new foley, using a different score as others have suggest and then using reworked lines of Finn could really improve that whole sequence. There already seems to be several good ideas that could lead us in the right direction. It definitely gets me excited for V2 as well!

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#1032321
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Return of the Jedi - Remastered
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darthrush said:

This hasn’t been mentioned before. Could you be a little more specific?

Sure, when Boussh speaks around the 14:45 mark, I believe you can hear the thermal detonator beeping when she speaks. This is when Chewbacca is being taken away. I thought it was Boussh’s lines reused from 14:30, which would explain why you can hear the detonator “beeping”, but I might be wrong.

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#1032320
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STAR WARS REBELS: Season 2 : (project will begin early September 2016)
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xxtelecine 7xx said:

Someone please correct me if I am wrong is there any point in season 2 where it was explained by a character why her sabers were white? I am a huge SWTOR fan I like have 5 characters in that game, since there is no clear distinct reference outside of a behind the scenes or a online media source from a producer I think I am going to stick with green. I just rendered her first sequence with green. There is no reason why she could not of stuck with her preferred color from the clone wars she was still a light side force wield knight so I would have to think she would have been able to find some green crystals after she left the order shortly before order 66. Filoni & co would have been vetoed on that one by George himself if he was still in the directors chair.

Just as a reference, this is a BTS webisode where Dave Filoni explains his reasoning for giving Ahsoka white/near-white lightsabers at the 3:00 minute mark. Not agreeing with it is totally fine, that is what fan editing is all about after all!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggYEpemcck

I agree that Lucas usually seemed pretty steadfast when it came to saber colors, but that seemed to start changing before he left. I mean, this is the guy who gave Samuel L. Jackson a purple lightsaber just because he asked for one with no real logic behind it. A Jedi Master in TCW episode “The Wrong Jedi” used a near-white lightsaber when Anakin was fighting Barriss Offee at the Jedi Temple, which you can see at the 2:17 mark. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_0Y4nnylA).
This guy’s saber also appears in an earlier episode, “Lightsaber Lost”, which Filoni claimed it to be a very light blue in this Q&A, question 14 (https://www.facebook.com/notes/dave-filoni/qa/10150219391017571), but they clearly made it an almost white if not pure white in the Season 5 episode. It’s possible Lucas became more lax with saber colors during Clone Wars, since he apparently was also the one who came up with the Darksaber (http://www.ign.com/articles/2010/01/28/star-wars-are-you-ready-for-the-mandalorians).

With that said, these are your edits and I think you should go with whatever color you wish. After all, you’re the one putting all of the work into this, not me or anyone else, so you should pick the color you want. I think your reasoning for why she would go with green is sound, doesn’t bother me at all. And if you can go back a little earlier in that Rebels BTS video, Filoni talks about Ahsoka’s outfit and how he imagined her getting this ancient samurai-esque armor from an old Jedi temple somewhere, so if her outfit is an antiquated design, why couldn’t she have found yellow crystals (or the green) at the same place she got the armor? This train of thought actually makes me like the idea of the yellow lightsabers even more. As if she were harkening back to how the Jedi used to be. It would connect it with the Old Republic even more.

Bottom line, I don’t think there is a wrong choice, but I definitely think you should go with green or yellow if that is what you want. It’s the least you deserve for the work you have put into not only this but all of your other projects too. So I’m 100% behind your choice, just thought I would share my initial thoughts as well. Honestly, I’m more worried about how those damn saber-copters can be removed without messing anything else up…

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#1031017
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STAR WARS REBELS: Season 2 : (project will begin early September 2016)
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I agree a lot with ben_danger. If you don’t do white, I would still do a near-white of blue, green or yellow if you do change it. Although I do think KOTOR 2 does feature silver lightsabers, so they do exist in those games as well. The reason I would say keep it white/near-white is because, like others have said, it reflects her being unaffiliated with the Jedi or the Sith, which the Filoni & co. intended I believe. If you go near-white, maybe just a hint of a “Jedi” color would suggest her being still light side oriented.

Also, I’d also love to have the saber-copters removed. The issue, though, is that they seem heavily integrated into the finale episode, and trying to remove them might make the episode feel like there are gaps that should explain how the Inquisitors move around so quickly. The third inquisitor falling to his death due to his saber malfunctioning would also have to be changed. I wish the concept hadn’t have been introduced in the first place, but removing them may prove difficult.

Regardless of your decisions, I also wanted to say that I appreciate all the work you put into this. I know it’s time consuming but the final product is definitely professional quality.

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#1031015
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Return of the Jedi - Remastered
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I just had the chance to watch and just wanted to let you know that I thought you did a fantastic job. I did make a few notes I wanted to share with you while I watched it. I know you have already done your version 2.0 so I apologize if you have already changed any of this.

• Someone may have pointed this out, but when Bib Fortuna speaks to Leia in disguise, you can faintly hear the clicks of the thermal detonator when she responds to him even. I would suggest trying to use a different line if there is one that is possibly cleaner. Otherwise, I would just not have her say anything. I know you have your version 2.0 pretty solidified, this would be the only thing I would really like you to consider looking at if you haven’t already.

• Also, I would also vote to cut that whole reveal shot of Lando if possible. Even though you cut out him slowly pulling his mask down, he still awkwardly bumps his helmet against the ceiling. And I think when Lando reaches out for Leia when Luke falls into the pit is a little more subtle reveal.

• For the ghost Obi-Wan scene, although I’m not really a fan of using prequel music in the OT, I think that track is a good choice for that moment.

• With the scene of Luke revealing the truth to Leia, was there a reason you decided to remove Han coming onto the bridge? You could cut the jealousy out to just make it seems like he’s just concerned and is comforting her. I’m guessing the audio cuts might be noticeable when cut that way. I don’t think not having it makes a big difference though.

• Wonderful job with the battle! I think you’ve really simplified the battle and really got rid of the campiness of the Ewoks. The Ewoks definitely just seem like a distraction now. I didn’t notice any audio issues either so well done.

• I think since you’re keeping force ghost Anakin, having him disappear works really well. Would you say that Luke just burns his suit to memorialize him, or to destroy the last piece of Vader maybe, rather than actually burning a body?

• I think one of my favorite things you’ve done is the “he’s my brother” scene. What once was surprise/relief now comes off as surprise/joy, like he’s really happy for them that they’re brother and sister, since they both have no family left.

Anyway, just wanted to say great job and point those few things out to you. Sorry if this feedback is a little late or redudant. I appreciate all of the work you put into this.

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#1026276
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - FanEdit Ideas <strong><em>SPOILERS</em></strong>
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Bingowings said:

I would remove all the captions for locations.
Was the bit on Knowhere even necessary?

Haha, I honestly thought of Knowhere when I first saw it too, but I honestly just removing the location title cards would diminish that comparison a lot. If it is necessary or not is another issue though.

If anything I would add even more smashed up Jedi related buildings so the Death Star really can clear out something substantial.

Maybe that overhead shot of the U-wing and the giant Jedi statue could be reinserted? Wouldn’t make a big difference but it would add a little bit more to it maybe. Might be redudant though since the other shot of the same or similar statue is in Bodhi’s first scene.

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#1026267
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - FanEdit Ideas <strong><em>SPOILERS</em></strong>
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Jackpumpkinhead said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qt3OVPpjAs

These look great Jack! Definitely agree that it’s much better than the original.

Bingowings, I also wasn’t crazy about the score the first time I saw the movie, but Rebel Force Radio did a really interesting podcast analyzing the soundtrack and I have to admit I really appreciate it a lot more, even the title card theme, which I hated the first time around.

But honestly Jack’s new title cards makes it all around better, I would also suggest those in the “no crawl camp” to consider using a different version of the Rogue One theme. The Jyn Erso & Hope Suite has two different versions of the theme; the first can be heard around 3:20, and the second around 3:58. They both sound less triumphant and more bittersweet, which might be more fitting for the movie. Unfortunately those two parts don’t fade out the same way as the title theme does, but one could combine one of these versions with two fade outs present in this track, if possible: the one at 4:23 and another long one towards the end of the song, 5:08. Here is the track on YouTube.
https://youtu.be/w42CTq5QZtI

Regarding the title cards, it’s hard for me to say which one I like better. I love the way you have the letters turn like they did in some of the trailers, but also having it zoom out but with that color/font is a good middle ground. I honestly didn’t like seeing Star Wars above it at first but it actually looks fine in retrospect.

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#1025537
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Ridiculous One: A Star Wars Story
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I think the person they were speaking to on the comm says, “Rogue One?! There is no Rogue One!”

And at the end of the movie, Admiral Raddus says, “May the Force be with you, Rogue One.” Or something like that.

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#1025527
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Ridiculous One: A Star Wars Story
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TavorX said:

-When that pilot defector mentions the call sign “Rogue One”, roll out the Star Wars credits briefly.

Building off of this, you could roll out the credits or title card for shorter increments each time someone says “Rogue One”.

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#1024252
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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story - FanEdit Ideas <strong><em>SPOILERS</em></strong>
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I think there are two potential ways to fix this apparent continuity issue regarding the Tantive IV receiving a physical copy of the plans or having it “beamed” onboard as Vader words it in ANH.

Honestly, a simple solution would be to remove the final two shots of Vader watching the Tantive IV undocking from the Rebel flagship. Not showing Vader see the Tantive IV might help alleviate the glaring obviousness of it clearly being a rebel ship and not a diplomatic one. Even though the Rogue One novelization says Vader notices the plans being handed off from rebel to rebel, I prefer to believe he was too focused on slaughtering them all to spot this trade off, which explains why he isn’t sure if the plans were beamed to the Tantive IV or the Rebel flagship or both. I can buy that, but seeing Vader sit there as Leia and Captain Antilles lie straight to his face about being a diplomatic ship when he literally just saw the ship flee the battlefield pushes it.

A more difficult solution would be to cut it in such a way that the person downloading the plans appears to be at the end of the hall, but instead, transmitting the plans to the Tantive IV. So Vader is charging down the hall to stop the plans from being transmitted. Maybe someone could generate a shot of the Tantive IV in the distance of the battle, or back and forth comm chatter between the two ships. The only issue would be explaining why soldiers wearing Alderaanian garb were on a Mon Calamari cruiser, and the coincidence that they just so happen to be transmitting to an Alderaanian ship.

This might be a hard change to make, and I’m okay with believing Antilles and Leia were playing with technicalities since no transmissions were actually beamed onto the ship, like Vader insisted. I think just not showing Vader actually see the Tantive IV would help this issue. But I’d be interested in seeing it if someone thought they could do it.

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#973908
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I’ve been running around lot this summer and my input on the edit the past few months has been sporadic at best, but I just wanted to chime in and give a big thanks to everyone who shared their ideas and contributed to this edit on both creative and technical levels. Especially a big thanks to Hal for all of your hard work to make this happen and becoming the unspoken leader of this project. I know there may have been times where you almost pulled your hair out from frustration, but I think this is a really great example of not only fan editing but how the fan editing community can come together to collaborate on something we all have a passion for.

I also respect you for being so humble and, for example, having Sherman change the credits on the box cover from just your name to crediting it as a collaboration despite doing the bulk of the work. You could have not said anything and left it as is but you didn’t. That is cool of you.

Also, Sherman, that box cover is perfect. Great job.

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#960312
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Something just like the Starkiller Edit/Restructure might make the focus of the edit a little clearer.

I do think the Lone Star Edition is fine though, even though it makes me think of Spaceballs a little (not necessarily a bad thing!).

I was going to suggest “The Starkiller Shift” but it sounds more like a maneuver or dance move rather than an edit name.

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#946780
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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I actually was messing around with inserting that! It helps get more perspective on Kylo’s conflict. I trimmed it down a lot in order to not repeat the same shots too much, and I didn’t like his delivery on some of the lines. I’m worried it can’t be inserted without it being obvious, you know?

I at least considered the idea of making them having a longer conversation, especially if one were to remove the Han Solo reveal. It could go something like this:

Snoke: There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?

Kylo: (“Yes.”, or, “I feel it too.”) The dark side.

Snoke: -and the Light.

Kylo: Supreme Leader, I’m immune to the light.

Snoke: Even you, master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test.

Kylo: By the grace of your training I will not be seduced

Snoke: We shall see. We shall see…

I got the dark side line from Lor San Tekka conversation. I feel it too could come from the Rey interrogation. Snoke, the Light line from the first teaser. I got the “I’m immune to the light” as a wav file the Kylo Ren action figure.

All of this isn’t really necessary, but this scene could provide something different from this scene, and not make it so short.

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#946776
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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That test looks great Jack! I think that is definitely usable. I think they could be smaller/closer to the Star Destroyer, but I think it is good the way it is too. Any closer would be too close, but I like it now too!

Also Hal, about the “they’ve done it” line. I think it works that way, it’ll definitely do. I think we could still look for alternatives though just in case someone finds something better.

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#945715
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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That is great! I had figured you had already done it. It was a very easy cut to do. We also need a good name for this “Hosnian destruction post-Han death” edit. Haha.

That looks really good. Telecine is very talented. Maybe a combination of the two, a happy medium, would be what we are looking for. Sort of like telecine’s, maybe they’re a little farther away, and then have the Star Destroyer in the distance like Jack’s?

Totally agree. I was thinking that “The Starkiller” track for that scene could be replaced with some part of the First Order suite, but like you said, something that is low-key. I’ll have to go back through the soundtrack, but you guys already might have better ideas than I have!

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#945600
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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Thanks for the compliment Jack!

Yours is terrific as well. I wasn’t expecting anyone to do the fx so quickly! You probably should wait until you hear from Hal, but do you mind if I give my opinion?

I know that the TIEs and transports are flying overheard when Rey sees them, but I imagine that they flew low and are heading toward Maz’s castle, since Rey has ran a distance away from it herself. So by having then fly the same way over Maz’s head, it doesn’t seem like they’re flying toward the castle.

My suggestion would be to have them instead flying downwards from out of the Star Destroyer (which also looks perfect btw). In this scenario they would be much smaller, like a swarm of specs flying out of the Star Destroyer toward them. Also, them being farther away would explain why the patrons aren’t running for their lives just yet.

But yeah, I’d wait for Hal’s and few other opinions but that would be my suggestion. Either way though it looks great to me! A lot better than what I could do!

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#945135
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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I also played around with the idea that R2 doesn’t have the map at all, and instead they get the larger piece from Captain Phasma at the same time they get her to lower the shields. You could also have Kylo tell Poe they have the rest of the map when he is interrogating him at the beginning of the movie. Although it would require more work to change that fact. But I think just adding a little hint of him waking up in the first scene could help make his awakening and possession of the map feel less out of nowhere, but I don’t even know if it is worth the effort. Extra expositional lines from 3PO could’ve been useful.

Maybe Luke will be Mr. Exposition and explain all this whole situation in Episode VIII, but for now R2 waking up at the perfect time without much explanation seems more like poor writing that has to be clarified later. I also thought that Luke magically woke up R2 because Rey showed up, or that R2 sensed Rey’s presence. But if Rey doesn’t turn out to be this special person then it will all just seem convenient for the plot. Without the trilogy over it is hard to say how much big edits could contradict the sequels, but for me, the one big change that is less likely to affect future movies but also have the biggest difference has to be moving Hosnian Prime’s destruction to the climax. Maybe after seeing 8 (and maybe 9), we’ll have a better understanding of what is and isn’t worth changing when it comes to this type of edit.

I don’t know if it could replace the original for me, I would like to see a version of the film that leaves the father/son reveal until the bridge scene just to see how different it would be. It’ll be interesting to see what different versions pop up.

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#944673
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The Force Awakens Fan Edit Ideas - ** SPOILERS **
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I really enjoy your crawls topdawg! I like how you explain your intentions of emphasizing the whole political situation, and your understanding of it based off the dialogue is very observant. The only part I’m not sure of is if what Hux said about the New Republic supporting the Resistance is truth or propoganda, because it also seems that New Republic didn’t see the First Order as a threat and saw Leia as a paranoid warmonger. We definitely could’ve used a little more context in the movie, definitely agree with that.

Also really like your ROTJ crawl. It flows really well to me. This may be the wrong thread for this but would it start on Tatooine/Nal Varr sense the crawl ends on that note? Also, I think changing it to a Hutt world is an interesting idea. Would like to see how it could be executed.

Hal, sorry if you mentioned this already, but did you have any feelings on the R2 subplot with the map? I know a lot of people felt that it seemed more like weak storytelling. The whole logic of the map is confusing to me and I know the answer JJ gave for his late wake up feels like lazy writing to some. I know this has been discussed before but I’d appreciate anyone’s additional thoughts on it.

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