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#1172408
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The Starlight Project Part 2: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
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I actually like that idea, but there are still some logical hoops you might need to jump through. Not only might you need to establish Holdo knowing about the device, but also where on the Supremecy the device was located, otherwise it seems like a very big coincidence.

I kind of think it would be simpler to infer that the entire ship has some kind of “hyper-field mumbo jumbo” charge generated as a result by the device. But maybe the hologram would imply they have some kind of schematics of the Supremecy?

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#1172195
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The Starlight Project Part 2: The Last Jedi (SPOILERS)
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I was skimming through the Last Jedi spoiler discussion thread and I stumbled across your speculation regarding a correlation between Holdo’s hyperspace kamikaze and the hyperspace tracking device in the Supremecy. I’ll post those thoughts here for context.

NeverarGreat said:

The way I understand hyperspace working is that it’s a dimension weakly coupled to normal space, so that ships traveling through hyperspace would still need to ‘avoid’ masses but a crash would primarily affect the object in hyperspace. Under this theory, any ship going to Hyperspace would damage that ship far more than the target.

But what if the hyperspace tracking technology used by the Supremacy means that the ship is always partially in Hyperspace? After all, some part of the ship would need to interact with this dimension at all times for it to work. Under this theory, the First Order is undone by its own technology and hubris rather than an overpowered exploit of the ill-defined rules of the universe.

NeverarGreat said:

The idea is that the Supremacy’s hyperspace tracking device acts as a static hyperdrive itself when active. It’s static in that the Supremacy enters hyperspace with this device but doesn’t move, allowing it to use its sensors to find other ships in hyperspace.

I’m thinking of it like a periscope on a submarine - part of the sub must leave the water for it to work. To continue the analogy - if a speedboat were to hit the periscope, it would damage the sub, whereas if there were no periscope the boat would pass overhead with little disturbance.

I really love this hypothesis. While I don’t really have a problem with the questions it has raised with the fan base myself, I think this explanation could really alleviate those questions nicely. It’d be interesting if this could be the implied explanation in a fan edit, but I do think it still requires some assumptions though. Was Holdo aware of the hyperspace tracker on the Supremecy by that point, and if she was, how did she know how it works and that ramming it in hyperspace would actually have that effect?

While you could handwave it and say she learned about it off screen, it’d be nice if it was at least implied in the film through editing that she knew. You could also imply some connection to Holdo’s hyperspace jump and the tracking device by cutting back to the device right before she jumps, or have it quickly explode in a white burst of light when she does jump. Not sure how it could work, just spitballing. Though I do think those two things, Holdo’s awareness of the device and a stronger correlation between the hyperspace jump and the hyperspace device, are important.

The more I think about the Last Jedi, the less I feel needs to be changed, but I think this might be interesting just to try and play with. Any thoughts on this?

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#1146990
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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ChainsawAsh said:

I just realized that the (non-) reveal of Rey’s parents begs for more edits to TFA. The one that sticks out to me is Rey and BB-8’s exchange:

“Classified? Me too, big secret.”

Yeah, that line is insulting now. I’m sure other “hints” need to be cut back now too, I’d have to rewatch TFA again though.

I completely agree with you. You could argue that she was being sarcastic, though. But it might come off as more confusing now than sarcastic for some.

MalàStrana said:

Is it feasable to do so while keeping the child of the Force of the ending ?

[Regarding removing the Fathier chase from the Canto Bight plotline].
I’ve thought about this as well. If you notice, the kids at the end are telling a story about Luke rather than the Resistance, so if kept the earlier scene where Finn sees the kids on the field, and cut the close up of the kid wearing the ring at the end, I think the scene would still work. It might make Rose & Finn’s plot feel more useless, though, now that they didn’t even spark some hope within the kids.

I don’t think completely removing the Canto Bight stuff is the right answer. Removing the Fathier chase and trimming it here and there is the most I think could be done without it feeling confusing, but I think I would need to see the concept tested to see if that would even be worth it.

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#1145934
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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NeverarGreat said:

My current solution would be to change the crawl so that Snoke wants Leia alive. That way the safest route to capturing her would be to run the ship out of fuel.

This isn’t a bad idea. Though why would the TIEs target the bridge then if they knew Leia might be on it?

It would require some FX work, but instead of having having them chase the Resistance in real space, you could also have the Resistance jump from system to system. Each time they jump, the First Order eventually shows up again, guns blazing, forcing the Resistance to jump again. You could still have it be a race against the clock, they’ll still eventually run out of fuel, but the amount of fuel they start out with is different, and maybe this could solve some of the current issues with the chase.

Collipso said:

I wonder where that shot that was on the trailer of Rey running with the ignited lightsaber would fit. After 2 viewing I’m pretty sure it’s not in the movie.

Youre right! It isn’t in the final movie. Apparently there was a scene where the caretaker village was in flames, and Rey is running toward the village. Not sure why it was on fire, or if it was a part of some vision.

I think it was mentioned on here before, but I believe there will be at least one deleted Luke and Rey scene on the DVD. This may or may not be related to this scene, though. Either way, I think this scene will definitely be one people will want to reinsert into the film.

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#1143358
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The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
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I just wanted to share my thoughts on the film and what things could be considered for future edits. Obviously these are very early thoughts and I definitely think more rewatches and getting involved in the discussion and analysis of the film is necessary. Sorry in advance for the long post.

TavorX said:

Also, I would LOVE to see someone fanedit podracers into the scene where the initial space horses are revealed.

I think a lot of hardcore fans were half expecting to see podracers! I can’t remember if it was another thread on here or on reddit, but someone made a pretty good point that podracing is kind of like the NASCAR of the Star Wars galaxy, so it probably wouldn’t be a sport the super rich would be into.

It seems almost universal that something needs to be done with the Canto Bight sequence. If someone wanted to cut the entire fathier chase sequence, they could potentially cut from DJ opening the cell door, to Finn and Rose heading to the door, then cut to their ship flying away, implying that they just followed him along and escaped together.

The problem for me, is that there are seeds that are planted into the Canto Bight sequence that holds a strong message at the end. Even though everything Finn, Rose and Poe did failed, what they did still helped light the spark of hope in the galaxy, which we see through the Force sensitive kid at the end of the film, who is wearing the Rebel ring that Rose gave him. There is a strong theme of failure in the film, and I worry that cutting too much would take away from that. Though it never hurts for someone to try and see how it feels. You could still keep broom kid at the end and just cut the shot of the ring, to keep the implication that hope is never truly gone. Or one could just end the film on the wide shot of everybody in the Falcon. Maybe there could be a good way to just trim the fat of the entire Canto Bight sequence rather than removing entire segments from it. Btw, some people seem to think that that kid is important and will play a part of IX or Rian’s trilogy, but I honestly believe his scene was just symbolic, rather than setting up some future character.

I think the floating Leia was a cool idea and I personally like it, but obviously something about it doesn’t work to have such a large negative reaction. Like someone said earlier, maybe there is a better way to cut this scene. And I think we should see how they handle Carrie’s death in IX before we implement a death for her in TLJ. There are definitely a few moments she could have died, so I think the options exist, and if they handle her passing poorly in IX, we would have already thought of some alternatives.

I think Rey being a nobody was a great idea and making her related to someone would kind of hurt the message that greatness doesn’t have to come from greatness. I know that doesn’t really explain her raw abilities, but in my mind, everyone’s connection to the Force seems to be amplified comapred to past Force users (even broom kid), so after being dormant for 50 years, besides flowing through an existing few, it is now rushing through everyone. If some kind of explanation still felt necessary by the end of the trilogy, I would, at most, possibly consider editing the vision sequences in TFA and TLJ to imply that Rey was the new incarnation of the Chosen One. Not necessarily a reincarnation of Anakin himself, rather a new person ‘chosen’ by the Force, but that could be an option. Kylo’s obsession with Vader would be ironic in that case, but could turn out weird if something does happen between him and Rey. I think it would tie the trilogies together nicely. The new trilogy would parallel the prequels, and just how Luke helped his father fulfill his destiny as the Chosen One, he is helping Rey fulfill hers. But this is just an initial thought, and I would like to see how Rey is handled in IX as well.

I personally loved Snoke getting killed the way he did, as it makes Kylo Ren a much stronger character for it, but I do think some kind of explanation of where he came from would have been nice. If they don’t really explain anything about him in IX, I think editors could consider ways to touch on his background in some way, either in the TFA crawl or Rey’s force vision maybe. I really believe he is just a powerful Force user from the Unknown Regions who was biding his time, but when the Emperor’s theme started playing in Snoke’s throne room as he was torturing Rey, I really thought for a second that they were going to play the “Palpatine clone” card from the old EU. I think either of these theories, or the idea of him being Darth Plagueis, could be implemented with some subtle hints in the films. I think it is important to consider which of these ideas benefits the saga as a whole the most, though, because II personally don’t think they all would work.

Someone mentioned this earlier, but I also have a bit of problem with Luke almost killing his nephew. I think it is implied that Luke saw the future and for a brief, desperate moment considered killing his own blood to save the rest of his students before quickly realizing that was a mistake. But I don’t think it is as clear as I would have liked, because it feels like it goes against everything he learned in the OT. If it were a younger Luke, he would have rejected the idea of Ben falling and would have had faith in his nephew, just like he did his own father. But maybe that was the point. I liked how they did Luke’s story overall, and I think Luke will be back as a spirit to guide Rey in rebuilding the Jedi, but I think this moment needs to be given some thought.

Also, I don’t think the Yoda sequence should be removed! I agree that Yoda looked off but I honestly think we’ll get used to it given time.

I liked the humor in the film, but at times there was a bit too much, so I do think trimming jokes should be considered to help keep the tone from jumping around. A little nitpick is Phasma, I definitely think her scenes in TFA and TLJ should be edited someway to make her feel less like a punk.

Someone may have mentioned this, but I don’t think anyone in the film said, “I have a bad feeling about this.” I don’t necessarily mind this because this movie was all about screwing conventions and burning down the idea of what we think Star Wars has to be, but if someone wanted to implement it in their edit, I think the easiest way to do it would be to make 3PO says it at some point. I’m sure there is a recording of Anthony Daniels saying it somewhere.

HelloGreedo, a Star Wars youtuber, said at then end of his review of the film, “When I woke up this morning, my very first thought when my head raised up from the pillow was, ‘Man, I want to see a Last Jedi fan edit.’”

Looking forward to what deleted scenes will become available to us in the coming months. I’m excited for all of your ideas for this film and the back and forth. It’s fun to talk to you all.

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#1141137
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I also noticed something else.
At 1:49:11 in the edit, during the shot of Chewbacca roaring right before he shoots Kylo Ren, there seems to be a color grade change in the middle of the shot. Definitely need someone to double check to make sure I’m just not seeing things.

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#1140478
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Sir Ridley said:

And I’ve identified the shots needing new slow motion from the crying Rey/Falcon escape. It starts with the shot when the Falcon headlights appear and ends before the shot of the Falcon flying off in a cloud of snow. But strangely this sequence is exactly the same length as in the original movie, but they’re slightly out of sync and shots start at slightly different times so I’m not sure what has been done to that part and why.

I’ve noticed what you’re talking about, but I felt like I’ve noticed this in multiple versions of the movie. Have you checked other sources to see if it has that weird lag/effect as well? Maybe I’m wrong.

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#1139925
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Thanks for the responses Neverar and Hal!

Hal 9000 said:

Thanks for the feedback! I probably won’t do an updated version without a “big deal” coming along. But who knows? Maybe we’ll get one in a week or so. I’m thrilled with how V2 turned out, after I frankly regretted doing V1. You are all amazing.

Really? You regretted it? Why is that?

Yeah, I honestly think that Snoke scene is really the only important thing that could be added to Restructured. Nothing else really serves that purpose that hasn’t already been done.

Yeah, this whole process has been really fun. HOPEFULLY we won’t have to do this amount of work again for The Last Jedi, but the work can continue in Ridley and Nev’s (can I call you Nev?) own edits. And after TLJ comes out, I’m sure it will help them make decisions about what other changes to make to TFA.

darthrush said:

I’d love to see a v3 as well. I think waiting until the Last Jedi is released will give us enough information to be ready to perfect the edit with a possible v3.

Good point, Rush! TLJ might bring to light other changes that could be made for a V3.

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#1139903
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Just jumped around to look at most of our changes, wanted to make a few notes.

Besides a thing or two that I noticed, this edit looks super professional. FX, sound, quality, everything. It’s very impressive.

Now, the most glaring thing I noticed, and it probably was mentioned already, but the second Snoke scene after Kylo Ren interrogates Rey, it does jump back and forth between Kylo with and without his helmet. It’s not immediately noticeable, though, as it is a wide shot and a back of head shot(s). It was the major continuity error I noticed and it definitely needs to be addressed in a future edit (either Restructured or something else).

Another one that I think needs to be dealt with is the first R2 scene. You can’t hear 3PO walking away, so one moment he is there and the next moment he is gone.

I also can’t remember if a sunset color grading was supposed to be added at all for the Battle of Takodana, or that was left off the table for this edit, but I didn’t really notice a difference from the theatrical.

Also, the deleted scene with Leia. It looks really good, but I felt the shots of her after she sits down look a bit too yellow. Her face just looks a tad more yellow than any of the other resistance shots of her though. Maybe it is just me.

I don’t if what Ridley did to the slow mo shots during the Hosnian destruction was also done to that shot of Kylo Ren right before it cuts to Starkiller stuff, but if wasn’t I think it could be. It’s not bad, it kind of has a cool effect, but just wanted to see how others felt about it. If no one says anything then I wouldn’t worry about it.

Overall, I think everything looks fantastic. Job well done.

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#1139734
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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MalàStrana said:

It is time… to watch this edit !

Congrats to everyone. It’s been very fun to follow the progress of the project with the new ideas popping here and there and the mock concepts to feed the interest all along. I never went back to the theatrical cuts of the PT after watching Hal’s versions; I’ll never go back as well to the original TFA cut with this impressive v2 (the “fanedit sfx department” is to get special praised, thanks guys !).

Agreed that Neverar, Ridley and Jack definitely deserve some praise. I would love to see your process on some of these changes. I know there are some resources available already, but maybe when you guys are working on your own edits, you’d be willing to record the process of doing some fx work. Or show us how you guys learned to do these things, if you’re self-taught or whatever. I personally want to learn how to do fx on that level, but I also think these skills can really make a big difference as far as what this community could be capable of.

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#1139323
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

I just noticed a potential issue in the escape from Jakku. After they go to hyperspace, Finn tells Rey that ‘we need to get out of this system’. Yet presumably they’ve already left the system, so Finn’s not making a lot of sense. I played around with some dialogue changes, but it’s probably better to just cut the line.

They were in hyperspace for only like a minute, so you could argue that they only made it to the edge of the system before they fell back out of hyperspace, waves hand.

Yeah, the FX work that Neverar and Ridley have done blows my mind. I’m excited to see what all you guys end up doing for your own edits as well, especially after TLJ comes out. And thanks Hal for leading this project so well. We’re on the final stretch now!

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#1139167
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I can’t recall if the opening theme music was going to be replaced in this edit or not (I know other editors have and will replace it in their own edits). I know most people have planned to use the prequel version of the opening theme, but back when TFA came out on DVD, Adywan posted an edited version of the TFA theme that made it sound more like the London Symphony Orchestra’s versions that he planned to use for his own personal edit. Don’t know how to describe it, more “grandiose”? Anyway, I can’t remember when exactly he posted it but I went ahead and reuploaded the version he shared if anyone wanted to use it for their own or we wanted to consider using it for this version, since it is just an enhanced version of TFA’s own theme rather than using a different movie’s theme.

https://mega.nz/#!DFEgBBBY!tL7aTGM7yZGOg0UWMTj8zCzLjxahSt7jSKL7j2kP-Jg

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#1137532
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STAR WARS: EP VI -RETURN OF THE JEDI &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>NOW IN PRODUCTION</strong>
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adywan said:

Have a small portion of the Ewok celebration which then leads to the funeral pyre scene. This is where the Force Ghsots will appear and the film will end with Luke being alone (which in turn foreshadows TFA).

I always felt that this would be the strongest way to end it.

I thought it would be interesting if instead of fireworks going off in the sky (did the rebels bring fireworks with them or do they always carry some around?), debris from the Second Death Star was burning up in the atmosphere, like dozens of shooting stars.

But end it the way you envision it, Ady! Looking forward to whatever you do!

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#1137461
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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DominicCobb said:

If anything I’d say we should be looking for ways to trim the scene down so it doesn’t feel like it wasn’t envisioned as part of the climax (which the Snoke music makes plainly obvious, I feel).

Instead of having Snoke say, “It is time” at the beginning, could we possibly swap it out with something like “Now, the Resistance must be destroyed before they reach Skywalker.” It would infer that Hux told him the success of the first attack, and I think he uses the word “now” in one of his scenes, I’ll have to double check where.

Or, cut that line entirely and have Hux start with, “Supreme Leader, we have tracked their reconnaissance ship to the Ileenium system.” Taking “Supreme Leader” from another scene.

Might be worth another attempt.

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#1136774
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Just wanted to say thanks for all of the work you guys have put into this edit over the past several months (especially Hal, SirRidley and Neverar). While I know all three of you would make different choices for you personal edits (looking forward to them as well!), it is really cool to see this level of collaboration on a project.

Also, congratulations Hal! Don’t know if you had mentioned that on here before, but that’s exciting news! Really happy for you!

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#1136351
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Great! So since Ridley has pretty much completed his incredible work on the Leia deleted scene, and the opening crawl text has been decided on, does that only leave Ridley’s Maz’s castle scene, and possibly this Snoke scene?

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#1136339
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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Hal 9000 said:

Though it wouldn’t be in the edit if I were forced to export what I’ve got right now at gunpoint, here’s what the Ackbar line looks like at this stage:
https://vimeo.com/245133834
password: allahu

lol, nice password

Yeah, the biggest problem being the noticeable difference between his OT and TFA voice. Didn’t someone also make a version where his line just started in the D’Qar base and then ended as radio chatter, excluding the “all craft” line entirely? Maybe cutting straight to the base was too jarring. But like you said, if we can get a solid version of the Snoke scene it won’t exactly be necessary. If you feel there are more important shots/scenes to worry about in order to complete V2 then obviously those need to be focused on. Sorry if I’m derailing the focus at all by bringing these things up.

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#1136330
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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NeverarGreat said:

I’d probably go with the restructuring approach for Starlight, but at least the new Snoke scene keeps everything else in place.

I definitely think you should! I was originally unsure about the idea but your most recent versions have shown that it could work really well. I think your other idea, the brief Snoke scene, has an efficient, less is more, approach that fits with trying to keep this edit focused on supplementing the main change while preserving as much of the theatrical version as possible. Also, your new hyperspace shots feel super professional. Great work on that.

And Hal, if that doesn’t work I do think the dialogue would still work fine as is. Just thought it might be worth another go.

Also, was the idea of having Ackbar report to the fighters that the Oscillator was still functioning scrapped, or just put in a different place?

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#1136308
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TFA: A Gentle Restructure
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I think this idea is best for V2, at least. I remember really liking Neverar’s first attempt at this when he originally posted it. Snoke and Hux basically say “The Republic is destroyed, and now we can destroy the Resistance!”, and I think it shows how useful Starkiller base is. They can destroy all their enemies at once, from across the galaxy. The Republic, the Resistance, and finally Luke (if they had ever discovered his hiding place). And with the First Order apparently being smaller than the Empire, it makes seem smarter. I think it also shows that Snoke does play a part in these machinations, rather than Hux just playing off Snoke’s fears. Here is his original version

NeverarGreat said:

Alternate take on Snoke and friends:
https://vimeo.com/221526067
Password: hux

I think going back to this simpler idea is good, but it might be worth trying to get closer to Neverar’s original dialogue. Instead of Hux saying, “The Republic, it is wreckage” you might be able to piece together the word “destroyed” from “destroy” and “droid”, then you could have “We [have] destroyed the Republic” or something similar. Hux says both ‘we’ and ‘have’ in the second Snoke scene. Cutting words together like this can be really jarring and noticeable, but it might be worth the attempt.

On another topic, regarding the Starkiller explosion, I think the reworking of the music you guys did for it was incredible work. The music always felt very victorious and triumphant to me, and even though they destroy Starkiller base, it doesn’t really feel like a complete victory in this edit (which motivated the removal of the pilot reactions at the end). Anyway, several months ago I stumbled across a YouTuber (who seems to have removed the video since then) who rescored this scene with a cue from the track Yoda and the Force. I thought it fit really well, even leading me to think it may have been used as part of the temp-track during post-production. I think the Burning Homestead cue was used in a similar way, but they liked it so much that they decided to keep it in the final cut rather than use what John Williams wrote for that part (since different music for that part appears in the soundtrack).

Anyway, I don’t want to get things sidetracked now that we’re so close, but I thought I’d share it just in case. I put off sharing it for months because I didn’t think it was relevant to the edit, but I think the more melancholic/hopeful music could fit better with the restructuring. Or maybe someone else might find use for it in their own edit. I don’t like the transition I made at the end but it could be reworked. Regardless, I definitely wanted to thank you guys for going through this process on a public forum and allowing other people to build off things you are working on; that’s how I was even able to do this in the first place.

no password
https://vimeo.com/214002065

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#1136297
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RogueLeader's Rogue One Edit
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I totally agree with you MalaStrana! I think DigMod’s edit is fantastic. I think if you were to take his edit and implement the narrative restructure, you’d have something “truly special”. The main difference is he adds an opening crawl and I don’t.

Thanks for the interest! I haven’t had a chance to re-edit the first 30 minutes yet, but in the meantime I thought I’d share two other clips from the edit. The first is an attempt to show why Chirrut might want to save Jun and Cassian from the stormtroopers a few minutes later in the film. The second is the restructuring of U-Wing conversation between the Jedha and Eadu sequences.

password: fanedit
https://vimeo.com/243090809
https://vimeo.com/243089860

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#1132503
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RogueLeader's Rogue One Edit
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jarbear said:

I think its your phone Ash, the ambient noise is there.

The first clip is great, really good editing and like the narrative based on your edit.

I will say I do agree with all what Chainsawash has said on his previous posts. I appreciate you want the air time for Saw, but it would be better to take out those scenes … especially the Gullett scene…

Lastly, having K2 silent with the bag is genius. I like it better this way!

Thanks for the input! And I’m glad you like the K2 change!

Yeah, and it seems there’s no redemption with the Bor Gullet scene. The next cut I’ll probably remove those scenes, and if people are willing to watch the first 20-30 minutes, see how it flows.

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