NeverarGreat

One thing I haven’t seen brought up yet is how the Rey-Palpatine lineage now makes TFA absolutely, hilariously coincidental.

The map to Luke is discovered on Jakku by an old friend of Luke’s, and the first person BB-8 carrying the map runs into is the granddaughter of Palpatine, who is in speeder distance of the Millennium Falcon and happens to use this to escape the planet and they happen to be picked up within five minutes by Han Solo and brought to a place that has Luke’s old lightsaber in the basement. All of these things, save the connection between Han and the Falcon, are complete coincidences.

Palps as the anchor for the saga makes more sense than Anakin, since he has been pulling the strings the whole time.

DominicCobb said:

Dr. Krogshöj said:

I watched TROS again today and I am confident Rey Palpatine cannot be taken out convincingly. Any thought of some foreshadowing of her origin during hee Takodana force vision?

I’m quite certain it can.

Fight. Fight. Fight!

Here’s another ‘Inspired by’ change: https://youtu.be/BD5mLw0A8vI?t=876

He says that Rose should have been in charge of gathering reinforcements for the final battle. So would this be possible? As far as I can remember she is just hanging out at the Resistance base the entire movie, but could it be possible to insert some dialogue to indicate that she is busy calling up leaders of the core worlds and have them Rendzevous in some place? Then Lando could lead these gathered forces to the final fight.

Wexter said:

NeverarGreat said:

I love how it felt like an EU novel. They may not have been the greatest books, but I had a blast reading them in the 90’s and I had a blast watching this now.

Say what you will about 90s EU novels, they were mostly competently structured stories that strived to expand on what was set up in the OT. I definitely didn’t get that same feeling from TROS, but to each their own.

There was good EU and not-so-good EU, and this definitely felt like the latter. But even at its worst, the EU had an energy which I felt like this captured.

I like the angle you’re on right now RL, though it does seem outside the scope of a typical edit. The best part of this idea is that it has roots in all three ST movies from Finn’s background to the Broom Boy plot to Jannah and the child harvesting in TROS. Heck, it even goes back to one of the biggest unexplored plot threads of TPM - the child slavery that helped create Anakin and arguably the rest of the tragedies in the Saga.

I love how it felt like an EU novel. They may not have been the greatest books, but I had a blast reading them in the 90’s and I had a blast watching this now.

I also really love the fact that we finally got an extended adventure with the Poe/Finn/Rey crew, something that none of the other films ever did.

ray_afraid said:

theMaestro said:

By that logic, the Hayden ghost is also a plot hole, since a long-haired Anakin with an intact right arm and those specific robes also never existed.

lol This.
Also, I guess Obi-Wan’s ghost should still be chopped in half.
Ridiculous.

You must admit that the scene after Yoda’s death would be infinitely better if Obi-wan sat on the log by placing his hands on his hips and pushing his upper body off of his lower body and setting it on the log, with his legs walking offscreen on their own.

Yes.

After watching this https://youtu.be/GErIPKjwuDg?t=2977 I was thinking about one of her ideas, and it’s a cool one. Basically Rey caused her parent’s spaceship to crash all those years ago when they left her.

This makes sense on a lot of levels, some explained by Jenny but since it gives her powerful Force sensitivity since birth, it makes more sense that these powers are the result of bloodline rather than a spontaneous arising of the Force in response to extraordinary circumstances. She even says that the Force has always been inside her. By showing her powers from a young age, there’s also good reason to accept her powers later on in the films. Finally, this makes sense of Kylo’s odd statement that Rey’s parents are buried on Jakku despite apparently leaving the planet.

So how would this be communicated in a fanedit?

I would keep Rey’s vision in TFA the same. The ship flies off and she cries out.

In TLJ, she has a vision under Luke’s island where she sees the image of her parent’s crashed spaceship - still salvageable, but with two bodies lying on the sand beside it. A shadow lies over them, as if a hooded figure is standing off screen.

In TROS, as Rey pulls the transport to her, she has a flashback of her parents leaving and her struggling to pull them back, causing an explosion in one engine and sending the ship falling out of the sky and over some distant dunes.

SPOILERS of course - Two guys discuss TROS: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNyTF_iiAR8

Is there footage from the game that shows this? I saw a cinematic but the planet didn’t have the trench visible.

One film I actually wouldn’t mind getting a Special Edition with updated CGI, as long as the original is preserved of course.

Using the vision effect from ROTS has been bothering me. The only vision we got in the OT was the darkside cave, and yet that trippy, genuinely disturbing low-framerate effect has never been replicated in either the PT or the ST. I wonder what Rey’s vision in TFA would look like with that effect?

Maybe for future visions there could be a combination of ROTS vision halo and ESB vision framerate.

There were far worse ways to close out the saga than with a focus on one of the two droids that have seen it all.

Keanine said:

NeverarGreat said:

It’s my understanding that for the original TPM puppet (Creepy Puppet Yoda) they were trying to go for a younger look. When that didn’t play well for audiences they instead tried to return to the look of the ESB puppet in digital form. They tried their best (in 2002 CGI terms) but it still wasn’t nearly right.

So as far as I have been able to tell, the CGI was really their best attempt at replicating the ESB puppet.

That’s a fair point, CGI was still being pushed to its limits at the time so you are probably right. I would have thought Lucas would have wanted to go back and update it, but perhaps he grew to prefer the updated design? This is all conjecture of course

This documentary actually delves into the creation of the CGI Yoda in great detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh-5UhwcBW0

In the first few minutes they talk about how the ESB puppet was their reference.

JEDIT: If they used a CGI Yoda on TLJ, I wonder if they would have modeled him speficially as a puppet with a puppeteer hand inside manipulating the digital apparatus, and had this digital hand motion captured for authenticity. Sort of a recursive way of recreating the original feel.

It’s my understanding that for the original TPM puppet (Creepy Puppet Yoda) they were trying to go for a younger look. When that didn’t play well for audiences they instead tried to return to the look of the ESB puppet in digital form. They tried their best (in 2002 CGI terms) but it still wasn’t nearly right.

So as far as I have been able to tell, the CGI was really their best attempt at replicating the ESB puppet.

For Disney’s future with Star Wars, this is the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUgAUFE6-SY

Obligatory. But this is where Star Wars becomes a classic. If the movie ended after this scene we would still be talking about it 40 years later.

He looks genuinely creepy in this. Definitely up there with ROTJ but in a more undead way.

But even that doesn’t explain why the Imperial map from 40 years ago has a hole in it with a dotted line leading to the hole which perfectly fits around the piece reconstructed by Tekka, which also has that line continued to Luke’s island. Like, that map from the Empire must have been specifically intended to find that one Jedi temple, implying that Palps was working on finding it even after he assumed all the Jedi were gone, and it somehow got included in the installation CDs for the Death Star, and it would have been accidentally unrestricted information because even a floorplan of the Death Star detention block is unavailable to R2. And all of this implies that the Rebellion/New Republic/Resistance didn’t have this intel from the Empire even after conquering said Empire, nor did they have even a scrap of data from this region of space which would allow them to triangulate the rest of the map’s position. At this point I’m worried that the Resistance doesn’t know how a telescope works.

I’m sorry. I started thinking about it again.

DuracellEnergizer said:

Not really related to the conversation at hand, but in October I went to the movies to see The Lighthouse. Not a big deal, right? Well, it was for me; this was the first — and at present, only — time I’ve actually been to the theatres. And I enjoyed the experience very, very much. I got a great seat, the handful of people in the theatre with me kept quiet, and the film itself was excellent.

It kinda blows my mind that you’ve seen so many movies and this is the first one you’ve seen they way they were meant to be seen. There’s something special about being in a theater with a crowd of fellow audience members. It sounds like you had a group who was quiet and I usually appreciate that, but some of my favorite experiences are those colored by the reactions of the audience, especially the precocious comments of the youth who don’t yet know proper theater etiquette.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed it and I hope you go again in the future!

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