Just noticed something else that was strange. The Chapter titles like ‘Padme Addresses the Senate’ and ‘Padme’s Family’ actually looks like ‘Padm✓© Addresses the Senate’ and ‘Padm✓©’s Family’ in VLC, with the checkmark and copyright symbols.
The solution to all of this is simply to watch Restructured instead! 😄
To ChainsawAsh you listen.
Since the correction looks a bit green to me, I’d be interested in the first one for sure.
Just watched this new version, and it’s most impressive. With the 720p version, some of the deleted scenes look almost as sharp as the rest.
I almost don’t want to bring attention to any potential issues, but there was one thing that sounded out of place - at the end of Dooku’s discussion with the Separatists, the eavesdropping Obi-wan turns his head and there is the sound of an astromech. Is this sound supposed to be there?
I’ve been playing with a lot more ideas for the crawl recently. In one, Luke is suspected by the Republic of secretly being the leader of the First Order, in an attempt to give some actual mystery to the Supreme Leader (at least for a while). But it was a bridge too far.
Here’s one that is more in the spirit of the original TFA crawl, going so far as removing all reference to Starkiller Base:
EPISODE VII
THE FORCE AWAKENS
The galaxy is in turmoil.
Luke Skywalker, last of
the Jedi Knights, has
vanished.
During his long absence,
an evil FIRST ORDER
has risen from the ashes of
the Empire to put an end to
the Jedi religion. Without
its mystic knights, the
New Republic accepts these
incursions as the cost
of preventing war.
Only one general,
unable to accept this open
aggression, forms a covert
RESISTANCE and sends
her finest pilot in search
of the last guardian of
peace and justice in the
galaxy…
I’m glad they didn’t go this route, primarily because the old characters would overshadow the new.
Why did Obi-Wan lie about not knowing R2? I know that it’s because the prequels were written after the OT and it was a mistake, but what’s the canon justification? I’m just curious.
He actually never says he doesn’t know R2.
He also never gives any indication of knowing him, or C-3PO. I would be bothered by that if I took the prequels seriously.
I mean I don’t deny that, it’s just weird to frame the question as why does “Obi-wan lie about not knowing R2?” when it really should be “why doesn’t Obi-wan seemingly make any recognition of R2?”
Quite right.
What do we know about the little frog guy who eats the other creature outside Jabba’s palace right after Leia and Chewie show up? Is he a muppet? Stop motion? Traditional animation? Before I got into these preservations, when I hadn’t seen the OOT in like 15 years, I assumed he was an SE addition because the quality of his movement is so different from all the other puppets, but now having seen the GOUT and the ROTJ grindhouse and knowing that he’s from '83, I have no idea how they actually did it.
According to Wookeepedia he was actually Luke Skywalker’s informant, and his name was Lard-zen Makuisi-kahn. He distracted the palace guards while Lando snuck in, and he even helped him steal a uniform.
I don’t believe you. Link the Wookiepedia page and I still won’t. So there.
Why did Obi-Wan lie about not knowing R2? I know that it’s because the prequels were written after the OT and it was a mistake, but what’s the canon justification? I’m just curious.
He actually never says he doesn’t know R2.
He also never gives any indication of knowing him, or C-3PO. I would be bothered by that if I took the prequels seriously.
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Maybe just add a shot like this with a slow zoom/ken burns effect? It may work…
We just need a lighsaber replica, some grey robes and shoes, and a patch of grass. A quick shot of the saber hitting the grass and Luke starting to walk over it would be perfect.
Short of redubbing the Stormtrooper (Southern accents in the Empire are so weird), that’s probably the best option with this scene.
His eyes look really small in a lot of photos.
An idea I had was to completely change Canto Bight by using Beyoga’s footage from Pacific Rim: Uprising. There may be a way to make it all fit with the right editing.
It’s a movie about giant robots and monsters.
He looks completely different.
He has a British accent.
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NeverarGreat said:
The problem with that scene from a scientific perspective is that it’s strongly implied that a Hyperdrive is literally able to accelerate objects up to and past the speed of light, instead of opening a tunnel into another dimension.DrDre said:
No, there’s normal speed driven by normal engines with normal physical limits, and there’s lightspeed for which you need a hyperdrive. The former is normal motion in real space, while lightspeed is achieved in another dimension called hyperspace.I’ve only read the last few pages of the thread, so my apologies if this has been mentioned already, but on the topic of whether hyperspace involves simply travelling really quickly or entering another dimension, ANH would seem to establish that it’s the former, since one is still at risk of interacting with physical objects in the universe. As Han says, “Traveling through hyperspace ain’t like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that’d end your trip real quick, wouldn’t it?”
Actually it doesn’t necessarily establish that it’s the former, since Han’s remarks also apply, if you only consider the exit point of hyperspace travel in another dimension. Without precise calculations the exit point might be too close to or inside a star or supernova.
The old canon established that planets and stars cast ‘mass shadows’ in Hyperspace that must be avoided. This handily explained why ships going at relativistic speeds don’t get shredded by random floating particles and debris en route - the debris doesn’t have enough gravity to affect Hyperspace.
Regarding the hyperspace kamikaze: I didn’t have a problem with the physics of the stunt, and in isolation it’s undeniably a cool scene. I just don’t think it fits with overall SW worldbuilding. In a realm where hyperspace travel has existed for at least “a thousand generations” (Ben Kenobi, Ep4) - or more, if you count references in the EU - somebody, somewhere, at some point, should have had the lightbulb of weaponizing a hyperdrive. Not even necessarily a ramming maneuver, but perhaps, say, an “ISBM” - interstellar ballistic missle - that enters hyperspace, comes out wherever it’s programmed to, and devastates the target.
Even within the context of TLJ, if Holdo or some other character had voiced this idea, someone else could have briefly referenced why such weapons aren’t used (e.g., too much unavoidable or unpredictable collateral damage). That would have made it make sense. Ah, but Ruin Johnson wasn’t interested in well-thought-out storytelling.
In any case, I’m wondering what to do about this scene in my eventual reedit (TFA and TLJ will be combined). I think that, as it stands, it’s problematic in the larger SW context.
The idea I’m leaning towards is to somehow imply that the Hyperspace Tracker on the Supremacy causes a part of the ship to be constantly within the Hyperspacial dimension, and this allows the Raddus to ram it, for the two ships essentially collide in Hyperspace. For if the Supremacy was completely located in real space, its relatively small gravitational mass would have little effect on the Raddus, and they would pass like ships in the night.
The biggest benefit of such a change would be that the First Order is undone by their own supposedly superior technology, a very Star Wars theme.
Nothing makes me more sick than people who care
Insert the Jabba Special Edition scene in ANH, but constantly morph between the human, the shitty CGI, and shittier 1997 CGI versions of Jabba.
WYSHS
WYRSHS
“Everything” is a little hyperbolic
Not really. The script was horrible. The story was a jumbled mess and the characters are hollow shells of their original novel counterparts. The dialog is some of the worst I’ve heard in years. The performances were near universally awful. The only decent one was by Chris Pine and he’s barely in the film. The special effects are terrible, the designs are cartoonish and the compositing is some of the worst I’ve ever seen in a major motion picture. The costumes were laughably bad, they and this film look like a TV special.
I have never walked out on a film before but I almost did halfway through this. The only reason I didn’t was that my theater won’t refund you if you’ve watched more than a half hour.
As someone who didn’t like the book, I thought the movie fixed quite a few structural problems and gave the main character more agency. I liked it better than the book in any case.
This is again under the assumption that lightspeed ramming turns things to swiss cheese or whatever. But the way it’s depicted in the film it doesn’t seem like the lightspeed is necessarily the most important element to what would be massive destruction from the collision anyway. Why didn’t the Naboo fighters lightspeed kamikaze? Well why didn’t they just plain old kamikaze? Surely that’d cause some serious damage too.
Because lightspeed is depicted as massively more effective in TLJ than a normal ramming maneuver? Don’t forget that the debris from the Supremacy impact sliced up a bunch of Destroyers as well, something that is highly unlikely with a slower impact.
Based on the previous movies, an impact at sublight speeds might not do enough damage to destroy a single ship, let alone a dozen capital ships. In Rogue One, a transport impacts a Star Destroyer causing only minimal damage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4GppY9Vh0k
…but in ESB, a somewhat larger asteroid traveling at a similar speed is able to take out a Star Destroyer’s bridge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gh7AcuxfxI
A ship, even one as large as the Raddus, probably wouldn’t be enough to bisect the Supremacy without going at relativistic speeds. This goes against canon, where the ‘acceleration’ is thought to be an illusion.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pseudomotion/Legends
Is it possible that a ship entering Hyperspace first accelerates to ‘88MPH’ or something? Sure, anything’s possible in this made-up universe. But this just complicates a straightforward conceit of Space Opera storytelling by its military implications, and I think it’s frankly irresponsible to make this change to the rules of the universe for one (albeit cool) moment.
Makes sense to me that a ship would need to accelerate to the proverbial 88mph to punch a hole through realspace in order to enter hyperspace. *shrug*
This, especially when the visuals of going to hyperspace imply as much.
Also, people seem to think that this means TLJ is portraying hyperspeed is some kinda superpowerful attack method. But the way I saw it, the hyperspeed was just the fastest and most effective way to get the Raddus in contact with the Supremacy.
As long you don’t care about real life physics, which I 1000% don’t (and neither does Star Wars, nor has it ever, unless you’re referring to some EU hard sci-fi mumbo that has no place in this franchise), I’m honestly not sure why it’s an issue. I get if you’re super into science or whatever and you know that going to lightspeed can do all sorts of wacky stuff and that bothers you, but I don’t think it’s that hard to leave that at the door when you go to a fantasy film. As to this breaking established rules of the franchise, I still have yet to see anyone explain how this is the case, when they’ve literally explained next to nothing about how hyperspace works in the films.
But again, if you want to be bothered by something that shouldn’t reasonably be bothersome, go ahead.
I disagree. To me that’s a philosophy, where in fiction anything goes. So, it doesn’t matter, because fantasy doesn’t adhere to the real physics. However, imo to suspend disbelief fiction has to adhere to some set of rules, and be internally consistent. This is where I have a problem with TLJ on many fronts. In this instance, apart from the fact, that accelerating to lightspeed doesn’t make much physical sense,
By your own definition this shouldn’t be an issue. If Star Wars is fantasy, there should be no reason to not roll with the fact that ships need to accelerate into lightspeed, just like the Delorean (note that every time we see a ship go into lightspeed it looks like they are doing exactly this).
the hyperspace kamikaze proofs a hyperspace projectile is a much more powerful weapon than a torpedo, which begs the question why they are not widely used in the GFFA? The fact that any space battle in the GFFA would have been over in minutes with such weaponary, is bothersome to me, since the technology has been available for decades, and then I’ve not even mentioned the fact, that a kamikaze attack is pretty nonsensical in a universe with such advanced AI as the GFFA.
Like I said, I don’t think the hyperspace is the most important part of this equation. Colliding a ship the size of the Raddus would do a lot of damage no matter what, accelerating to hyperspeed was just the fastest and most efficient way to get it in contact with the Supremacy.
When you consider this, there’s not a single other time in these films where this would have been an effective strategy. Not only does the Raddus look like the biggest ship the Rebellion/Resistance has ever had, there was no point where completely wasting a capitol ship that size would have made any significant difference. The Death Star is pretty much the only time(s) they were trying to take down something big like the Supremacy, but the Death Stars were so big that ramming a ship through them at lightspeed wouldn’t do close to the damage shown done to the Supremacy, and I’d imagine the station would probably be back up and running in a week.
I don’t think you’ve fully considered how hyperspace ramming would affect literally every engagement in Star Wars.
From the prequels:
-A single Naboo fighter would surely have been able to take out the droid control ship in Episode 1.
-An army of Separatist droids, already able to pilot ships as seen in Episodes 1 and 2, would surely have made short work of any Republic capital ships during the entirety of the Clone Wars due to them being programmed to kill with no thought to their survival.
From Rebels, and the OT:
-Any group of fighters pinned down by a non-Interdictor class Imperial ship would have a method of escaping at the cost of only a single fighter.
-Any single ship with a hyperdrive, piloted by someone desperate or with nothing left to lose, would be a deadly threat against any pursuing ship of appreciable size. Vader would never have pursued the Tantive without Interdictor support if he knew that it might be able to ram his bridge at the speed of light. Ditto for pretty much every pursuit of the Falcon in the trilogy.
-Even fighters would be a threat against the Death Star if they attacked the emitter dish at light speed. A single capital ship would probably be enough to disable the weapon and cause massive damage to the rest of the station.
Even when I first saw the movie, I thought that the journey to Luke should have been longer. After all, the map shows a lot of twists and turns, so I imagine there would be some obstacles and pit stops on the way to that remote island. With that in mind, here’s a very rough idea of how this could be implemented:
https://vimeo.com/247210517
Password: reyThere’s not nearly enough footage for this to be feasible yet, but perhaps by the time this trilogy is over I can revisit the idea 😉
I know it’s been awhile since you posted this but I’m really in love with this idea. I think it has a very adventurous feel to it and I think it would be a fun addition. It definitely would feel more like a journey.
I do know that there are one or two more Falcon in hyperspace shots that could be used now from TLJ, but I wonder if for some of the other shots could be made by either making some CG space environments, or even using some high quality images from Hubble, Cassini, etc. as the background and then inserting a blender model of the TFA Falcon flying through them. I know there are some pretty decent models, like this one: https://sketchfab.com/models/798f0d3be4524c8c86b77a52a88570f8
That’s a pretty good idea. I don’t have the skill to make it professional and seamless, but maybe someone with the skills would be interested.
Another option would be using shots of the Falcon in TFA or TLJ such as the escape from Starkiller Base or flying through the crystal caverns, and replacing the background with nebulas and asteroids.
EPISODE IIV
THE FORCE AWAKENSI’m loving this roman numeral 😉
Whoops. 😃
For what it’s worth, in the novelization, Poe sets a hyperspace entry point before Leia and Holdo retake command of the ship. That entry point is never changed, so when Holdo is alone on the ship waiting to die, she notices it - and because the ships have kept moving that whole time, the entry point is now behind the First Order fleet. That’s what gives her the idea to try it - because the ship will be accelerating to near lightspeed prior to hitting the hyperspace entry point.
So the “hyperspace ramming” actually occurs before the ship enters hyperspace, while the ship is accelerating to near-lightspeed in realspace.
It was basically her seeing where the entry point was plotted in relation to the position of the fleet, getting the idea, and going “Huh, wonder if this will work? Can’t hurt to try since I’m dead at this point anyway.”
Huh, that’s a fairly good in-universe explanation. So it’s not the hyperspace travel itself that makes the collision but the “flicker of pseudomotion”, as Zahn puts it.
EDIT: That could also go some way towards addressing my biggest problem with that scene - why no one thought to do that maneuver before losing 90% of their fleet. They couldn’t until the entry point was sufficiently far away behind the First Order.
Even Zahn states with the ‘pseudomotion’ that the ship isn’t really accelerating to the speed of light, otherwise it would be, you know, actual motion.
Hyperspace is a way of getting around the infinite energy required to accelerate a ship to the speed of light. Requiring ships to accelerate to light speed to enter it defeats the purpose.
The big issues with Hillary that I heard during the campaign were:
Just a few examples of what Trump has done in office with regards to these issues:
So yeah, I think Trump is a whole lot worse.
trimboNZ said:
Do you think we’re likely to see more weaponized hyperdrives in canon now?A great concept . . . that unfortunately seems out of place in the SW universe. If such a thing can be done, why don’t warships have hyperdrive missiles?
I think the idea is that the size of the Raddus is what allowed it to do such damage.
The problem with that scene from a scientific perspective is that it’s strongly implied that a Hyperdrive is literally able to accelerate objects up to and past the speed of light, instead of opening a tunnel into another dimension.
Even a paperclip accelerated to 99% the speed of light would do catastrophic damage to the Supremacy.
A ship the size of the Raddus going the speed of light would be a more deadly weapon than the Death Star.
Where do ships get the energy to go so fast, and if they have this vast energy, why don’t they have more effective weapons? Furthermore, if Hyperspace travel turns any ship into a planet-decimating missile, every space-faring planet would long have been turned into Swiss cheese from ships coming out of hyperspace slightly too late.
This was all a lot more simple when Hyperdrives were just used for travel, and everyone could concoct their own reasons for why they weren’t used as weapons.
