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#1199068
Topic
Most Dissapointing Aspect of Sequel Trilogy? Most Satisfying?
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TFA struck a much lighter tone for most of its running time, whereas TLJ’s themes are more serious. Moments that would be fine in the Luke treasure-map plot of TFA feel out of place as the Resistance is almost entirely obliterated and Luke waits to die.

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#1198954
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

It was fun to see dozens of pages of discussion on my project rendered incomprehensible by Photobucket Speedometers. Good times.

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#1198849
Topic
The Last Jedi Fanedit.
Time

It’s an impressive concept.

However, Leia’s outstretched arm indicates that she is at least helping to save herself.

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#1198665
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

I think the music is mostly in the opening few seconds, and stops abruptly when Maz shouts ‘Han Solo!’ It shouldn’t be difficult to remove, the biggest hassle would be replacing the background chatter and foley. As for the music itself, I’m sure that there’s a perfect tune somewhere that is the right mix of vaguely eastern electronic Jazz. I’m hoping that someone knows of a band or a track from an obscure movie that would work.

As for the big changes to this edit, there are quite a few things I would like to do that aren’t yet reflected in the first post.

For example, I’ve considered repurposing the attack on the Resistance base for an attack on the Hosnian system in order to have Starkiller be just a shipyard, but more likely I’ll just stick with the Restructured method of destroying the Hosnian system. I’d still like to include the Starkiller as shipyard idea, and have considered some ways to do this. As far as other big ideas, I’ve planned to make the interrogation much more involved and use Force visions to reveal Kylo’s obsession with Vader and the hidden power of the Starkiller (as well as working in the deleted scene of Kylo on the Falcon). I’m also planning on restructuring the rescue of Rey to make it more dramatic, with less of her wandering around the base. Finally, and this is probably the most involved in terms of visual effects, but I’d like to extend Rey’s journey to Luke’s island planet and use a grander version of Rey’s theme in this place. Although I’m not too much of a fan of how the original movie ends, after seeing DigMod’s version where the movie ends with the jump to hyperspace I think that meeting Luke is necessary to TFA.

Now for TLJ, I also have some extreme cuts in mind (like losing the opening scenes and starting with Finn’s mission to Canto Bight), but it will be a long while yet before I get around to doing that.

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#1198582
Topic
The Force Awakens - The Starlight Project
Time

Good idea. I quite like that deleted scene. Shame it’s not finished, but parts could be used.

Recently I’ve been thinking about something several people have said concerning TFA. When the crew gets to Maz’s castle, the energy goes out of the movie for them, and I feel this as well. For me it starts when we hear the music of the castle, and it completely destroys the mood. Nothing against Lin-Manuel Miranda, I like his other work, but this is a big miss that I’ve come to realize deflates the scene.

But what could replace it? The place is seemingly a dingy den of pirates and lowlifes, but in the details we see a lot more ornate metalwork and clutter that looks like it belongs in an Eastern-European church:
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So perhaps something more Byzantine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zPc47GOH8s
…but it would have to also sound ‘spacey’. Any suggestions?

On a related note, since I will probably have the crawl state that the First Order is only attacking remnants of Jedi power, I could change the subtitled Pirate dialogue with Finn to be something about them being safe, since they are not affiliated with the Jedi. Then when Rey finds the lightsaber in the basement, it’s an indication that the castle is legitimately unsafe for our heroes, and allows more sympathy with Rey as she flees the source of this danger.

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#1198548
Topic
The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
Time

darthrush said:

To bring up another topic…I did kind of want to see just a little bit more power displayed from Luke. Just a little more. There are a few options for this right now:

  1. The Redone Luke/Kylo fight from Ivan Ortega

This is the thing that I desperately want to work. He said he will film on a green screen with the costumes and all so I just really hope it works out all right.

Is he also going to film a shot of Luke dropping the lightsaber on the island? If he is going to the trouble of having a Luke costume and lightsaber, it seems like a no-brainer.

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#1198361
Topic
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - The Dark Cut <strong>(SPOILERS)</strong>
Time

darthrush said:

NeverarGreat said:

darthrush said:

Kylo Pleads to Rey Rescoring - UPDATED

https://vimeo.com/265136372

I tried to build upon many suggestions when I got to finetuning this rescoring.

-Firstly, the music now fades out when we cut to the bridge with Hux. I was able to bridge the rising drums between two points at the end of the piece to do so and it flows pretty well.
-The music has been turned down a notch so that the dialogue can stand out more.
-The music now starts earlier and fades in more gradually.
-The dialogue audio has been polished up.

Please tell me how you all like the updates to the scene!

This is a rare case of rescoring with a prequel theme that actually works for me. In fact, I kind of love it.

There’s just one thing that bugs me. Now that the music is so much more dramatic, Kylo’s lines about her parents being ‘filthy junk traders’ sounds a bit quotidian and out of place. This is also a result of Rian’s penchant for having characters overexplain things, so I’d really like to hear a version where Kylo is silent after Rey says ‘They were nobody’. Maybe just skip right to ‘You have no place in this story’, and maybe show her reaching out to take Kylo’s hand before cutting to the cruiser turning around.

This would also avoid the confusion of Rey’s vision where she clearly sees a ship flying away from Jakku.

The only place I see a little disconnect between the music and dialogue is when Kylo says “You come from nothing, your nothing.” It might just be his delivery but it is the one spot it might a feel not epic enough. I don’t really have an issue with him describing where her parents came from. It feels like he is basically spitting in her face and driving it home how pathetic her lineage is.

I will consider making the cut though and welcome others opinions on this idea. I love your suggestions for fanedits Neverar so keep em coming, the one about the flashback with Luke and Kylo still has me thinking 😉

You’re welcome to use that or any other ideas I throw around 😃

About the lines being out of place, it feels like for a Star Wars movie less is more where dialogue is concerned. Some of the best scenes in Star Wars have no dialogue at all, allowing the audience to imagine the specifics of the scene. So when Kylo beats Rey over the head with her nonexistent lineage, it’s giving the audience information that would be better left to the imagination (especially since the details of this information don’t quite fit with what we already know).

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#1198352
Topic
Religion
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Anybody have any thoughts on pantheism?

Pantheism might’ve been swell at some point, back when the static universe theory held sway. In light of Big Bang cosmology, though, and the heat death of the universe? I don’t see the appeal.

Panentheism’s what I go for.

I think this is more agreeable.

DuracellEnergizer said:

https://www.blatner.com/adam/consctransf/processimplicat.html

A lot to like here as well.

However, I think there is still some complication in understanding the ‘mind field’ which pervades all reality. It’s more simple to consider that since all things have the same soul (consciousness, God, etc), the mind is merely the beliefs and assumptions that divide and limit all beings. The impetus to overcome these limitations is what drives the mental evolution of life. The article uses the concept of ‘lure’, which serves a similar purpose.

I like to think of a person’s beliefs like their ‘mental DNA’, in that they’re mostly rubbish surrounding relatively few provisionally useful instructions for operating in a universe full of other beings with rubbish instructions. You could remove most of a person’s actual DNA without adversely affecting their physical body at all, and by intelligently changing the parts that actually work you could do things like eliminate aging and susceptibility to disease.

Removing much of a person’s mental DNA would probably have much the same effect. As the code got more simple, variations between minds would necessarily decrease until there is no mental DNA at all, no beliefs or assumptions to get in the way of unfiltered experience.

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#1198105
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

I, Dragon (2017)
or
He’s a Dragon (2015)
or
He is the Dragon (2015)

I am but a simple man, and watched this on Amazon because it had the word ‘dragon’ in the title.

Basically a Russian retelling of Beauty and the Beast except with a dragon. The subtitled version that I saw was actually quite good. The art direction and effects are impressive as well.

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#1198067
Topic
Star Wars: The Last Jedi - The Dark Cut <strong>(SPOILERS)</strong>
Time

darthrush said:

Kylo Pleads to Rey Rescoring - UPDATED

https://vimeo.com/265136372

I tried to build upon many suggestions when I got to finetuning this rescoring.

-Firstly, the music now fades out when we cut to the bridge with Hux. I was able to bridge the rising drums between two points at the end of the piece to do so and it flows pretty well.
-The music has been turned down a notch so that the dialogue can stand out more.
-The music now starts earlier and fades in more gradually.
-The dialogue audio has been polished up.

Please tell me how you all like the updates to the scene!

This is a rare case of rescoring with a prequel theme that actually works for me. In fact, I kind of love it.

There’s just one thing that bugs me. Now that the music is so much more dramatic, Kylo’s lines about her parents being ‘filthy junk traders’ sounds a bit quotidian and out of place. This is also a result of Rian’s penchant for having characters overexplain things, so I’d really like to hear a version where Kylo is silent after Rey says ‘They were nobody’. Maybe just skip right to ‘You have no place in this story’, and maybe show her reaching out to take Kylo’s hand before cutting to the cruiser turning around.

This would also avoid the confusion of Rey’s vision where she clearly sees a ship flying away from Jakku.

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#1197768
Topic
Star Wars Trilogy SE bluray color regrade
Time

DrDre said:

Stotchy said:

Out of curiosity, for your SE regrade will the output be LUTs to apply over the Bluray, or LUTs to apply to Neverar’s regrade of the Bluray?

I will use Neverar’s regrade, since he’s fixed so many issues with it, it’s now the best source available.

Honestly never considered that you’d use my version, despite the intention of it being a base for further edits.

I’m honored. 😃

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#1197749
Topic
A Collaborative Star Wars Saga Edit
Time

The fact that any difference at all can be detected goes to show how much Vader’s voice was different than Jones’s normal narration. There’s often a richness in his narration that is lost in the voice of Vader, replaced instead with a more monotone menace.

Considering that, I think the replacement line is absolutely great.

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#1197631
Topic
The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
Time

darthrush said:

I’ll have to think that idea through Neverar. It sounds VERY interesting.

The question is…do we want to see Luke consider killing Kylo or not? It all comes back to if we want that moment or not.

Really good ideas being thrown around though.

I feel like that moment of murderous intent is what ‘ruins’ Luke’s character for many people. I personally can live with it, but must admit that Rian probably went too far in making Luke unsympathetic. Another reason for getting rid of the final flashback is that it works too hard in explaining something that ought to be simple. If you’re using three flashbacks to explain why something happened, maybe the problem is that what you’re describing is simply out of character. The escalation of Luke causing Kylo to become defensive, causing Luke to become defensive, causing Kylo to assume the worst is easier to believe than Luke trying to murder his young nephew, and it could all be shown and not told.

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#1197604
Topic
The Last Jedi : Fan Edit Ideas - ** <strong>SPOILERS INSIDE</strong> **
Time

Has anyone considered the feasibility of removing most of the flashback scenes altogether? There are a few reasons for this, one being that Star Wars movies have never had straight-up flashbacks (even if these are colored by Point of View).

Also, since most people who take issue with Luke cite his brief murderous intentions toward his nephew, it might work to present a more enigmatic version of events. Here’s one way it could be presented:

Remove the first flashback from Luke’s perspective. Have it go from
“By the time I realized I was no match for the darkness rising in him…It was too late.”
to
“Leia blamed Snoke, but…It was me. I failed. Because I was Luke Skywalker. Jedi master.”

This makes it sound like he simply wasn’t a good enough teacher to stop Snoke and his influence. Although if the issue is not the flashback itself but Luke’s behavior in the hut, it might be good to keep the entire recollection, just minus the shot of inside Kylo’s hut. This way the entire flashback could be viewed as correct and not tainted by Luke’s point of view.

Next, move Ren’s version of the flashback until after the Darkside cave, when they are communicating in the island hut. Then the flashback can be played as a Force vision from Kylo to Rey:
“He sensed my power…as he senses yours. And he feared it.”
Show Kylo starting awake, and seeing Luke standing over him in the darkness with a crazed look on his face. Out of self-preservation, Kylo pulls his saber to him. The green saber ignites, then Kylo’s. There is a clash of blue and green, then the hut collapses. Suddenly a vision comes to Kylo and Rey of the throne room, and of Kylo holding out his hand. Rey reaches out to take it, and in the island hut their fingers touch.

Luke interrupts this revelation as he does in the movie. Then the rain battle could stay as it is, or she could knock Luke down quickly without wanting to know anything more about Kylo. In either case, there is no flashback from Luke. Rey is more interested in telling Luke her vision of the future:

“There is still conflict in him. If he turned from the dark side, that could shift the tide. This could be how we win.”
“This is not going to go the way you think.”
“It is. Just now, when we touched hands…I saw his future. As solid as I’m seeing you. If I go to him, Ben Solo will turn.”

These changes might clear up a lot of the character inconsistencies in the movie. Luke is acting in character by nonviolently confronting Kylo about the darkness he has sensed within him. Kylo is acting in character by being surprised and frightened by Luke standing over him in his room at night with a look of horror and fear, and responds through simple self-preservation. The quick escalation is understandable and tragic, and Rey understands that there wasn’t time for Luke to turn Ren as he did Vader, and has decided to do this herself since Luke is too consumed with his failure.

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#1197351
Topic
Last movie seen
Time

DuracellEnergizer said:

Essentially everything bad about Lynch’s Dune is a direct result of studio mandates to condense the story into a 136-minute runtime. Except for the depiction of the baron. That’s 100% Lynch’s fault.

Backing up to this for a minute, I think that even as a 4 hour movie Lynch’s effort would have fallen short. The reason for this is because the movie seems incapable of doing more than one thing with each scene - characters enter a room, spout exposition about X thing (often with mental narration), then leave.

Take for example gom jabbar. In the book, Paul is tested to see if he is ‘truly human’, but he sees through the Reverend Mother’s facade to understand that the Bene Gesserit’s primary goal is not such tests but rather political power. He then becomes mistrustful of their order. In the movie he apparently approves of the reasoning behind the test and doesn’t inquire further as to their true intentions. Yet in the final scene of the movie he acts as if the Bene Gesserit is an enemy, without the setup from the book.

And this is just one example. Such things happen constantly, always taking a surface reading of a scene and treating it as if it were the entire purpose the scene. The Voice is now just a magical power rather than an understanding of which words will command specific personality types. The Sadukar are now just faceless brutes, and no reason is given for the Emperor’s fear of Paul beyond his power over Spice. The whole point of Dune is that every situation has wheels within wheels, and there are ways of illustrating this subconsciously or in the background without resorting to clunky exposition.