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#1059186
Topic
The Prequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread
Time

Darth Lucas said:

Bingowings said:

Maybe Luke’s ROTJ sabre has a green blade because he salvaged a crystal from Yavin space… just suggestin’

Maybe the Empire had processed these crystals to make the Death Star Weapon work so reducing the need for green blades in the prequels

What if the Kyber used by Luke for his ROTJ saber was actually a shard of the big one used to power the Death Star. That’d be an interesting idea to play with I think.

I mean, well beyond the scope of any fanedit, but still interesting to think about.

The Dark Crystal vibes are strong with this idea.

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#1059185
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
Time

Darth Lucas said:

I’ve always had a problem with the “over-yellow” tatooine corrections that have been done previously. It just always looked so unnatural that I couldn’t fathom it was intentionally on the original film; yet it looks completely natural on the print photos and the mverta screening pics. I think because, in trying to replicate the look, an unintentional side effect is that skintones become jaundice-y, the whites of artoo turn into a milky yellow, and the silver turns green. However, on the photos of the print and the Mverta screening photos, it takes on this yellow look without the unsightly side effects. Skies still look blue, whites are still white, and skintones are still skintones. It’s gorgeous, really. I wonder why it’s so hard to replicate without the unsightly side effects.

I think one of the reasons, for the Blu-ray at least, is that the yellow/blue channel is so deteriorated that the information just isn’t there to make the correction. The Blu-ray masks the blue deficiency by giving everything a blue cast, thus making the skin tones purple in the process. This is also noticeable in the clothes. Often the costumes will be blue/white, rather than their original off-white or tan, and it’s impossible to completely recover this without ruining the highlights.

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#1059099
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
Time

I notice that the skin tones aboard the Death Star shift between yellow and a more natural pink. The Ben shot and the first Tarkin shot are very yellow, and there are two shots that are much more balanced. I wonder if most of reels 2 and 3 are unintentionally yellow-shifted, since the shots aboard the Falcon when fleeing Tatooine are also extremely yellow.

Keep in mind that Tech prints were supposedly timed to a more yellow projection bulb, so the colors on a print seen in neutral light should be more blue than normal. I have a hard time believing that the extreme yellow is supposed to be shifted even further yellow.

Also good to keep in mind, the complete Tech prints of Star Wars that we have are the result of cobbling and splicing together the leftover bits of prints from the closing of the Technicolor plant in Britain. We have no idea what the quality control looked like, and whether what pieces we have were ever intended to be shown. I’m not trying to discourage anyone, but simply trying to reconcile the look of these frames with the other sources at our disposal, none of which were this yellow.

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#1058610
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
Time

Trump’s ‘ultimatum’ is fairly brilliant in a cynical way. He believes that there aren’t enough votes to pass the massively unpopular bill, so instead of spend the time to craft a decent piece of legislation, he’s hoping the bill will fail so that he can blame Congress for its failure and escape most of the repercussions. This also allows him to get away from the complicated and difficult subject of healthcare where he is completely out of his element and toward more flashy bits of executive showbusiness.

People keep underestimating Trump, saying that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He absolutely knows when to deflect, distract, blame, defame, and call names. He knows how to play Machiavelli’s lion and fox, and I fear that the media is just going to let him slink away on this one.

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#1058210
Topic
All Things Star Trek
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SwissArmyTin said:

FanFiltration said:

Man this show is a complete train wreck!


When I first saw this Klingon ship concept I thought immediately of “Stargate: Atlantis”. And that is not a good thing.

The video I link to below is a fair rundown of the situation thus far.
“Star Trek Discovery in Trouble? Rumor Rundown” = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwZvjm8

What in christ’s sake is that thing

It looks like a trident covered in gothic cathedrals and mosques.

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#1058005
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
Time

The frames I have include some of the Death Star Walls, which look as green as the ones you have. In my discussion with Mike Verta, he said that the green cast was not really accurate. It certainly wasn’t that green on set. His version was much more of a blue-green, but it’s a tricky thing to get right. My version makes the walls almost gray in the brighter areas, falling off into a greenish blue (slightly more green than blue) in the shadows, as Technicolor tends to do.

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#1057916
Topic
Ranking the Star Wars films
Time

Alderaan said:

TPM was at least shot on film, and didn’t have Yoda flying around like a monkey. That seals it for me.

Plus, the factory sequence. Which I would never remember, if not for RLM, since I only saw the POS once.

I was watching Minority Report the other day, and when I saw the factory scene I immediately thought of AOTC. Minority Report came out the same year as AOTC, and was also scored by Williams. They both feature gravity guns, arm entrapment, and a death fakeout shot, yet the difference in quality between these two scenes is dizzying.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7omoVzuynmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzWyLDQvKng

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#1057908
Topic
Last movie seen
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DominicCobb said:

I think a lot of things fall under the umbrella of “dated.” The question is to what degree it matters. Some of the hair styles in Star Wars are dated but that ultimately doesn’t really affect much and certainly doesn’t make the film as a whole any less timeless.

Something like a “dated” mindset towards perversion could be a bit more of an issue.

I actually just watched The Quiet Man for the first time, and a lot of it is a product of its time and a product of the time it’s set in - the characters in general have a lot of different attitudes than we do currently and that’s okay because that’s the time it’s depicting. But a few moments are more definitely “dated.” In particular, the scene in which John Wayne forcibly and carelessly drags Maureen O’Hara for miles is played in the films for laughs and we aren’t supposed to think any less of Wayne’s character for it. But, watching it now, it’s just pretty fucked up, honestly and not very funny or endearing in the least bit.

During our roadtrip through Ireland, we stopped at the Quiet Man bridge, where the scene was shot. It was a lovely location, and after that I made a point to watch the film. I didn’t care for it. It’s too much a film of its time to resonate with a filthy millennial like me.

On the other hand…
Kong: Skull Island

A delightful monster fest. As my girlfriend said: ‘It was everything I expected it to be - and a little bit more’.

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#1057904
Topic
What country is everyone from?
Time

A Mathematician, a Biologist and a Physicist are sitting in a street cafe watching people going in and coming out of the house on the other side of the street. First they see two people going into the house. Time passes. After a while they notice three persons coming out of the house.
The Physicist: “The measurement wasn’t accurate.”.
The Biologist: “They have reproduced”.
The Mathematician: “If now exactly one person enters the house then it will be empty again.”

Oh, and USA

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#1057201
Topic
OT Japanese Special Collection - Single Pass Regrade
Time

althor1138 said:

These all looked terrible for me until I downloaded the jpg and viewed it in gimp or photoshop. Does screenshot comparison do some funky stuff when viewing it through the browser? I mean if you look at that snap of luke sitting in the cantina and then download the picture and view it does it look different to anybody else? Perhaps chrome is the culprit, I’m not sure. I just thought I’d throw it out there that downloading the jpg seems to produce better results for me.

BTW, glad to see people tinkering with the laserdisc releases!

Screenshot comparison is usually very good in browser, but I have run into occasional glitches where the saturation is too high, which happened with my Leia on the Tantive comparison. I had to upload a desaturated version because of it, but it just recently reverted to the correct saturation, meaning I had to upload the original jpeg again. Very strange.

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#1057164
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
Time

Swazzy said:

I’m curious, would there be any advantage of matching the Blu-ray/DEd shot for shot to the GOUT and applying any further alterations to that? Would you be getting more accurate results working with a higher quality source?

The GOUT actually has more color gradients than the Blu-ray in most cases, especially in the blue/yellow range, so the GOUT is probably the highest quality official color source we have.

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#1057067
Topic
STAR WARS: REBELS - New animated series
Time

Whew, just marathoned season 3 (except for the finale of course), and I’m sure everyone’s dying to hear what I think.

(light spoilers follow)

The Bendu: Excellent addition to the show. I wouldn’t mind seeing him in Ep 8 or 9, considering where they seem to be taking the Jedi philosophy.

The Holocrons: Leaning even more heavily into the idea that the Sith and Jedi are two halves of a complete philosophy, I really appreciate this.

Maul: On the other hand, I still don’t know why we’re dealing with this guy. Color me entirely unimpressed, and yes, I include Twin Suns in this evaluation.

Thrawn: His voice is so subdued that it’s oddly grating, but I appreciate his addition since it brings some competence to an otherwise incompetent Empire. He feels wasted in most of the episodes, however, only really coming into his own in ‘Through Imperial Eyes’.

The Tactical Droid: I really liked the idea behind this character, but the execution left something to be desired. It felt too inconsequential. Nevertheless, this episode is head and shoulders above most Season 2 episodes.

Sabine (and Mandalorians in general): It’s difficult to make a warrior culture interesting, so I wouldn’t mind if I never heard about Mandalorians ever again.

Iron Squadron: A clever idea for a weapon. Won’t somebody think of the children?! Because I can’t summon the effort to care.

Fulcrum: I found myself enjoying this character immensely, a marked difference from earlier.

Ghosts of Geonosis: Saw’s character arc felt forced, clearly in an attempt to turn him into the man we see in Rogue One. Other than that, it was a fine two-parter. The circle within a circle was also a clever bait-and-switch.

Hondo: Oh how I despise thee. It’s a shame, since the show could really use some interesting non-military characters, but do they all have to be caricatures?

AP-5: ‘Double Agent Droid’ is probably my favorite episode so far. It is a perfect blend of humor and adventure, marred only slightly by the willful stupidity of the Ghost crew and the episode being several shots too long. AP-5’s spacewalk is hands-down my favorite sequence in this show. He also happens to be my favorite character of this show. If Rebels only focused on this droid duo, I’d be happy.

Twin Suns: After all the hype, this episode wound up being merely serviceable. If you take away the nostalgia surrounding the elements of the '77 film, you are left with an episode that twiddles its thumbs instead of providing a fulfilling confrontation between Maul and Ezra. In fact, Ezra seems almost perfunctory to the proceedings. I did appreciate the brevity of the final fight, however.

In summary: Despite all my criticism, I quite liked a lot about this season. It is more even in tone than previous seasons, with fewer obvious filler episodes. The lack of inquisitors is a marked improvement, and the replacement of Vader with Thrawn allows for more strategy and less lightsaber shenanigans, another improvement. In short, more good characters, less bad characters, and shaping up to be a better season than the first two.

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#1057058
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
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DrDre said:

NeverarGreat said:

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

This is a very rough approximation, and is definitely not an accurate color reference, but the Mike Verta scans look something like this:

…whereas the print itself looks something like this:

On my main monitor the top image looks too red and the bottom image looks too blue, you can see it in the highlights on C3PO. There’s a very noticable difference in colour between those two frames, at least to my eyes. Both are oversaturated as well IMHO.

For those interested in comparing, here’s roughly that frame from the new Star Wars Semi-Specialised Edition V2.6 I just uploaded to tehparadox:

It will be interesting to compare your regrade (and others) to the calibrated frame scans, once I’ve digitized them. I have a number of frames of this exact shot. I will also be getting a number of shots of the entry to Mos Eisley scene next week. I’m very interested what that scene looks like. Particulary the color of R5-A2 (orange or yellow?). Once I’ve started the scanning process I will create a separate thread for color references.

I have around 100-200 Star Wars technicolor print frames as well from different parts of the film, I bought them from an ebayer a while back when I was researching the colours for the Star Wars Semi-Specialised Edition V2.5, perhaps from the same person you did. They’re lovely to look at but as NeverarGreat said before, the colours can often be inconsistant from shot to shot, meaning every frame can’t be taken as exact colour references unless you plan to replicate those shot by shot colour inconsistancies. I have a feeling that every Star Wars technicolor print also looked a little different from each other colourwise as well.

I’m curious, are you planning to catalog these print scans just as a reference for everybody here to get a better feel for the colours of a Star Wars technicolor print or do you plan on creating a Star Wars release graded to a technicolor print similar to what NeverarGreat has been working on?

It is true that technicolor prints vary in color. However, the original grading itself also suffers from inconsistencies, as poita also noted in the past. I personally feel these need to be replicated for a print restoration project. Of course in color grading a semi-specialised edition the goals are somewhat different, and I would go with what’s aesthetically appealing. I plan to catalogue them as a reference for everybody, but I’m also working on another project, which involves golor grading a print scan. However, to know more about that I advice you to contact williarob.

If I was doing such a print restoration project I would choose the technicolor frame with the best colour that I had from a certain scene and regrade the whole scene to be consistant with that frame. I know that the original Star Wars prints were supposed to be notoriously inconsistant colourwise from shot to shot but I think people watching films now have certain expectations when it comes to consistant colours in a scene on home releases. It’s an option that I think you and williarob should consider.

In my view that would be going into special edition teritory. The color inconsistencies are part of the original viewing experience, just like matte lines, the orange blob, etc. So, for a print restoration I would not try to improve the original presentation. I believe, the goal of a print restoration should be to restore the print to it’s original state.

I thought so too for a long time, and graded the first half of the film to mirror the inconsistency. At some point I realized that the effect was too distracting and revised it to be consistent from scene to scene.

The problem with changing the color from shot to shot within a scene is that you’re no longer trying to sustain the illusion of a world within the film, but rather you are destroying the illusion of a world in order to create the illusion of a film. Yet the intent of the film is to create the illusion of a world, and the film was never intended to be inconsistent. Theoretically, each scene could have been consistent in terms of color, and this makes it different than matte lines, which couldn’t have been eliminated with 70’s technology.

Granted, my project is ‘the Special Edition in the best possible light’, so I have had to make peace with these sorts of interpretive changes.

I agree with you to a large extend, but when I look at the technicolor frames, I don’t see the level of inconsistency that would destroy the illusion of another world. I would agree with respect to the Mike Verta scans, which are all over the place, but the actual frames I have, don’t show this level of inconsistency. In fact I was surprised how balanced the frames look.

Fair enough, I look forward to seeing what you come up with 😃

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#1057014
Topic
The theatrical colors of the Star Wars trilogy
Time

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

kk650 said:

DrDre said:

This is a very rough approximation, and is definitely not an accurate color reference, but the Mike Verta scans look something like this:

…whereas the print itself looks something like this:

On my main monitor the top image looks too red and the bottom image looks too blue, you can see it in the highlights on C3PO. There’s a very noticable difference in colour between those two frames, at least to my eyes. Both are oversaturated as well IMHO.

For those interested in comparing, here’s roughly that frame from the new Star Wars Semi-Specialised Edition V2.6 I just uploaded to tehparadox:

It will be interesting to compare your regrade (and others) to the calibrated frame scans, once I’ve digitized them. I have a number of frames of this exact shot. I will also be getting a number of shots of the entry to Mos Eisley scene next week. I’m very interested what that scene looks like. Particulary the color of R5-A2 (orange or yellow?). Once I’ve started the scanning process I will create a separate thread for color references.

I have around 100-200 Star Wars technicolor print frames as well from different parts of the film, I bought them from an ebayer a while back when I was researching the colours for the Star Wars Semi-Specialised Edition V2.5, perhaps from the same person you did. They’re lovely to look at but as NeverarGreat said before, the colours can often be inconsistant from shot to shot, meaning every frame can’t be taken as exact colour references unless you plan to replicate those shot by shot colour inconsistancies. I have a feeling that every Star Wars technicolor print also looked a little different from each other colourwise as well.

I’m curious, are you planning to catalog these print scans just as a reference for everybody here to get a better feel for the colours of a Star Wars technicolor print or do you plan on creating a Star Wars release graded to a technicolor print similar to what NeverarGreat has been working on?

It is true that technicolor prints vary in color. However, the original grading itself also suffers from inconsistencies, as poita also noted in the past. I personally feel these need to be replicated for a print restoration project. Of course in color grading a semi-specialised edition the goals are somewhat different, and I would go with what’s aesthetically appealing. I plan to catalogue them as a reference for everybody, but I’m also working on another project, which involves golor grading a print scan. However, to know more about that I advice you to contact williarob.

If I was doing such a print restoration project I would choose the technicolor frame with the best colour that I had from a certain scene and regrade the whole scene to be consistant with that frame. I know that the original Star Wars prints were supposed to be notoriously inconsistant colourwise from shot to shot but I think people watching films now have certain expectations when it comes to consistant colours in a scene on home releases. It’s an option that I think you and williarob should consider.

In my view that would be going into special edition teritory. The color inconsistencies are part of the original viewing experience, just like matte lines, the orange blob, etc. So, for a print restoration I would not try to improve the original presentation. I believe, the goal of a print restoration should be to restore the print to it’s original state.

I thought so too for a long time, and graded the first half of the film to mirror the inconsistency. At some point I realized that the effect was too distracting and revised it to be consistent from scene to scene.

The problem with changing the color from shot to shot within a scene is that you’re no longer trying to sustain the illusion of a world within the film, but rather you are destroying the illusion of a world in order to create the illusion of a film. Yet the intent of the film is to create the illusion of a world, and the film was never intended to be inconsistent. Theoretically, each scene could have been consistent in terms of color, and this makes it different than matte lines, which couldn’t have been eliminated with 70’s technology.

Granted, my project is ‘the Special Edition in the best possible light’, so I have had to make peace with these sorts of interpretive changes.

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#1056947
Topic
The Random "Star Wars" Pics & GIFs Thread
Time

Then I’m content with the idea that a Jedi disappearing into the Force takes only those things that are part of their ‘self image’. In Obi-wan’s case, that includes his boots but excludes his lightsaber and cloak.

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#1056942
Topic
The Random "Star Wars" Pics & GIFs Thread
Time

SilverWook said:

The questions still stands then. Where did the boots go? 😉

Where did his undershirt go, and his leggings, and his belt? I think it’s fairly obvious, since we see him wearing his costume in ghost form, that he took everything except his lightsaber and cloak with him.

Now the question becomes: Where did Obi-wan and Yoda get their ghost form cloaks?

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