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Those visuals are awful though. I hate the way Vader’s eyes are like crazy holograms.

It’s pretty rust free though?

Game of Death is awesome. All 20 minutes of it. The stupid movie they made after the fact is terrible and so are the CGI commercials they made with Bruce Lee selling whiskey or something stupid.

Yeah it’s pretty good, I hope that the full scenes she’s in aren’t distracting.

You can see how that might be confusing when you skip ahead 20-30 years. I do agree that they could have provided more context in the films, but the existence of the similarities doesn’t break it for me. I think that really is the weakness, because I think with the right context your audience would say, “Yeah, that makes sense.”

Well amongst all the similarities they wanted is to have that idea of being flung into the action, which in some ways works. I really like the opening with Kylo meeting Max von Sydow. But while the OT dripped little pieces of info so it never feels too alien, TFA needed something like that Death Star conference scene to quickly sum up current affairs. Or even just a quick sound bite here and there to say the Republic is soft and doesn’t want to openly support Leia’s para-military actions.

I guess everyone assumes that Palpatine’s ghost haunts the DSII wreckage, which is in the sea… by a wheat field or something? Plus there’s a TFA concept piece showing the observation tower under water which they are probably revisiting. The desert world was called Pasaana or something I think so probably not the same place.

The teaser we’ve all been waiting for

https://youtu.be/W3YzDEQuN6I

yotsuya said:

Valheru_84 said:

I think you just nailed it perfectly Dre with “cinematic inbreeding” being the most efficiently accurate way of explaining the ST’s constant borrowing and repurposing of the OT along with a near constant appeal to nostalgia in so much that the latest trailer uses pretty much half of its runtime for actual OT and PT footage with the OT footage itself making up around a third of the total runtime.

Disney are pushing a very mixed message in obviously wanting to sell their new, young cast of characters (often at the expense of the old beloved OT characters), even pushing a literal 4th wall message in TLJ with “let the past die…” but are so afraid of not getting enough bums on cinema seats that they’ll use the OT at every chance they get, knowing it is what everyone already loves and gets people’s attention. So you get this weird circular behaviour of “forget about your old, tired and failed heroes and look at our new awesome young and diverse heroes out to actually save the day” all the while playing out the same plot points of the OT with a few jumbled up for good measure and shoving all this imagery and references of the OT in your face while someone like Rian claims to be breaking new artistic ground because he shoehorned some manufactured bait and switches into Star Wars.

Because the ST is so referential of the OT, in many ways it is literally a pale shadow of the originals that has been lazily twisted and skewed to try and make it look different.

Let the past die is not the message of any of this. That came from the Jaded Luke and Kylo Ren, neither of them expressing the main focus of the films at the time they said it.

I think the problem is that even when the messages are spelled out (i.e. Kylo is the bad guy his view is wrong) people want to take the wrong idea away. A lot of this thread is just conjecture and ideas about why it’s going to fail just because people think it should, rather than because it realistically could.

There’s a lot of awkward repetition, some of it is well meaning and other elements that feel way too clumsy. I mentioned in the other thread that the PT never feels like Star Wars, and while many inclusions are on the right track I’m not sure it ever get it entirely right here. They must have spent a lot of time on the whole “what is SW to the audience” but just settled on vaguely following the heroes journey, a few iconic bits, a few new things that feel out of place. My major issue is that while finding the ST to be pretty entertaining it’s always just shy of hitting the right mark, like just one more draft, just one more take, just one more adjustment.

The PT always felt like a vague idea of what could work slapped together over a Summer at the ranch, instead of a “kill your darlings” kind of effort where extraneous junk was culled and a proper storyline was given life. Here it’s more that the broad strokes are being painting but the edges are fuzzy, the delineation hasn’t been given enough time. They’ve put effort into fixing the “big picture” or the “idea of Star Wars”. But I’d prefer to see stuff involving the Imperial Remnant or a wilder Outer Rim story away from all the doomsday machines.

The whole thing does feel very meta though. Kylo and Rey are fighting over the toys. Give me back my lightsaber etc. Now in TROS they’re battling over ownership of a DSII collectable. But I guess the problem was always how to expand this stuff further without so many farcical gags or lore breaking moments. There are only so many X-Wing battles and monster escape scenes that you can do before the space wizard bag of tricks is empty.

I don’t know if they showed a new planet, but it looked vaguely like place where Maz Canata lived. Maybe she had a bunch of other Jedi junk lying around. Then again maybe it’s just a generic forest world.

I assumed it was a vision as soon as I watched it and I suspect most people did. Not really a slip up on the official discussion leak.

It didn’t stop all the evil clone discussions.

It’s nice that people enjoy these kinds of lists but it doesn’t make them feel the same or have the same kind of viewing experience. Beyond a few visual effects set pieces and John Williams moments. The entire Ring Theory idea is hilarious straw grasping from what I’ve read, while ironically showing that the films don’t hold up by themselves and need pages of fan theory gibberish to make them have anything compelling under the surface. The idea that any of the current movies are making the PT seem better in hindsight is also hilarious considering that they’ve managed to at least have memorable/likeable characters and discussions of the Force which aren’t outright embarrassing. There are a lot of odd people out there but those claiming the PT is genius for copying the OT while bemoaning the ST as a rehash or some of the oddest.

https://i.imgur.com/qUGKkMu.mp4

Wait a second… why would protocol droids be built with red light bulbs in the eyes? Is it like the X-Box Red Ring of Death? Or are they taking a leaf from those Auralnauts skits?

The scene with a hundred OT Star Destroyers is weird. Is that also a vision?

Did anyone post this already?

OutboundFlight said:

There’s a shot of some red laser exploding into a rock (after the “evil Threepio” shot) that could be “Starkiller II”. That would be a shame.

Besides that though I personally enjoyed the trailer. But I’m near certain Evil Rey is a force vision. The marketing is pushing the final battle to be Kylo and Rey (with a blue saber) on the Falcon in the rain. They show a shot of it in the trailer, and Rey very clearly is on the light side.

I think that from these clips Starkiller II and Evil Rey Vision are both certain.

Honestly the logo alone is a big improvement

DominicCobb said:

In an odd way I kinda like the cartoony aspect, gives it an over-the-top pulpy feel.

In related news, apparently the image of Palpatine is actually a picture of a toy, or so that’s what people have deduced. If true that’s pretty funny.

Yeah https://twitter.com/AskCraigKenneth/status/1165614859209388032

ALOL https://twitter.com/elvishpresley/

RogueLeader said:

Rotten Tomatoes, Cinemablend, and John Campea are some of the few people who tweeted about seeing it at the panel, and yeah I believe starwars.com mentioned it.

https://www.starwars.com/news/d23-expo-2019-star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-highlights

Oh. Ohhh. I genuinely couldn’t tell if this was a joke rumour. I guess not…

What was the source for that?

I expect the final posters will be more in line with “leaked” artwork that had all the characters and a bunch of Sith Troopers lined up.

This is official? It looks like a fan poster with some videogame art of Palpatine slapped on.

oojason said:
At no point are there quotes from Rian Johnson in the article stating he ‘subverted’ anything.

Yeah I thought that too, sigh.

Omni said:

Maybe someone could enlighten me? From all of the discussion I’ve seen regarding TLJ, the fact that it’s a very different movie is usually a given, and… I don’t get it.

The things being different are the “unexpected” parts I think, like Rey not having Kenobi parents and Snoke dying instead of being a Palpatine clone etc.