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#1091849
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Tobias said:

Although the whills theory aspect should be a little fixed (maybe snoke was cast out and killed his buddies during the events of the Phantom menace…maybe he never created the sith but merely fed off their power to become better than the other Whills to kill them)

Either way force ghost not being real provides strong context for several loose ends of TFA

Why isn’t anakin doing anything to stop kylo

Because he is in the netherworld stuck watching if not in complete oblivion(unlikely)

If luke was powerful…why was he a coward?

Because he realized that his faith was a lie…and that he was simply a pawn. He has no one to confide in now in these dark times.

Why did kylo join the dark side

Because of 2 reasons…either he wanted immortality(or wants snoke to bring back someone he loved), or snoke used his fake force ghost powers on him. Maybe kylo ren sees a vision of paradise in the galaxy and wants snoke to bring it. Maybe snoke isn’t a true bad guy. Maybe he truly believes that with enough power he can bring a golden age. He can heal wounds, it is just a matter of using the force to manipulate cells. He can extend the life of life forms indefinitely as well as bring them to life if their body is in good enough condition.

Not my strongest plot…but certainly one with potential

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How about you fuck off. How is that for a reply asshole?

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#1091810
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Although the whills theory aspect should be a little fixed (maybe snoke was cast out and killed his buddies during the events of the Phantom menace…maybe he never created the sith but merely fed off their power to become better than the other Whills to kill them)

Either way force ghost not being real provides strong context for several loose ends of TFA

Why isn’t anakin doing anything to stop kylo

Because he is in the netherworld stuck watching if not in complete oblivion(unlikely)

If luke was powerful…why was he a coward?

Because he realized that his faith was a lie…and that he was simply a pawn. He has no one to confide in now in these dark times.

Why did kylo join the dark side

Because of 2 reasons…either he wanted immortality(or wants snoke to bring back someone he loved), or snoke used his fake force ghost powers on him. Maybe kylo ren sees a vision of paradise in the galaxy and wants snoke to bring it. Maybe snoke isn’t a true bad guy. Maybe he truly believes that with enough power he can bring a golden age. He can heal wounds, it is just a matter of using the force to manipulate cells. He can extend the life of life forms indefinitely as well as bring them to life if their body is in good enough condition.

Not my strongest plot…but certainly one with potential

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#1091809
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Frank your Majesty said:

Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

The rule of 2 is not lIke the old sith empire. The rule of 2 was less theocratic and more governed by government manipulation. The ancient sith empire built shrines, temples, and sacrificed jedi to him(this is all canon). Kylo ren looks like a freaking templar. revan can actually be tied to snoke. Maybe the threat in the unknown regions was a weakened snoke bidding his time. Snoke is immortal and is in no hurry

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#1091808
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Frank your Majesty said:

Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

Better than palpatine 2.0

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#1091786
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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The biggest plot twist in last jedi

The force ghosts are not real…but are all a deception from snoke.

All this time, he had been using his great powers to manipulate yoda and obi wan to think that they would come back after death…falsely believing that they can contact luke.

They were deceived and they were only able to observe the events but not interfere(meaning they couldn’t warn luke about anything).

Snoke was there this whole time from the death star to Hoth to dagobah to even the emotional ghost scene at the end of return of the jedi. He was using his powers to deceive luke and the audience into thinking he was talking and looking at his dead loved ones.

That is why obi wanted luke to kill vader, to corrupt luke to turn into snoke’s high priest…a position he later gave to kylo ren. What is snoke that he is powerful enough to do this? Snoke is a WHILL…whills are mentioned several times in rogue one.

Whills are the star wars equivalent to angel (or even a minor god) immortal beings connected to the force and are essentially godlike. He was the best whill and the other Whills grew very jealous of him. He all his life yearned to leave his realm to explore and influence the larger galaxy.

One day the snoke was prideful and belittled his friends for their jealousy which would without a doubt have caused the other Whills to be angry and pissed. one day he was betrayed and thrown out of his home by jealous whills who wanted him gone. And snoke was emotionally devastated, but instead of forgiving his spiritual brothers he became enraged and went to the jedi.

Where he created the sith, leading to the rise of the sith empire. The immense destruction the sith wars cost gave snoke more and more power(using the dark side to regain his power). He was soon strong enough to return to his realm and singlehandily killed all the whills for betraying him. He was cast out again by the bendu(a elder entity who is a associate of the whills if not one of them).

Now what does this all have to do with luke? Because snoke was casted down at the time that the sith empire fell…leading to the rule of 2.

Slowly he wanted to turn the galaxy into a theocracy…the more people who worship his ideals the more powerful he became.

Of course we see star wars play out. As the sith were manipulating the republic, snoke was manipulating qui-gon, yoda and finally obi wan into his false doctrine of immortality after death. And that voice that we hear In new hope is not obi wan…but snoke’s. Who was guiding luke so that he can manipulate events to his liking. Luke was meant to be his crowning jewl. His high priest for a dark side religion that will make him powerful enough to “improve” the galaxy. He doesn’t want to rule the galaxy but turn it into a paradise. He wants to make sure no one suffers. But Snoke is like a god…he needs worship to get stronger. Kylo ren is not an apprentice but a high priest of a new religion meant to worship and empower him. This whole time, luke was deceived.

Force ghosts were never real and snoke is basically space satan…deceiving us all

That is why luke is angry and is saying that the jedi are bullshit…because he has no one to confide in. The jedi were just pawns to a game that snoke played.

Thoughts?

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#1091235
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1091234
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1091233
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1090295
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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joefavs said:

I’m loving these new creatures. Also, “the first film didn’t even have a number.” You’re all right, Anthony.

its so surreal to be a actor from the old movies only to be on the set of the last jedi 40 years later

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#1090076
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Star Wars Land Unveiled!
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this looks perfect

great mix of OT and ST with a bit of PT in the side

nothing quite unites the trilogies like a good old tour through the outer rim

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#1089989
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Yoda and Palpatine NEVER should have been given lightsabers.
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I am conflicted

on one hand giving palpatine no lightsaber makes palpatine seem like a dark wizard…and fantasy inspired star wars is the best star wars ever

on the other hand giving palpatine no lightsaber would open a pandoras box of force unleashed-esque force abilities that would get ridiculous

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#1089798
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When Did The Star Wars Prequels Become Cool?
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Density said:

Rogue One was awful. I find it even less watchable than the other prequels, if not “worse” as a film. At least they weren’t just fucking boring. At least they were unique. At least they were memorable, with memorable moments and memorable characters. At least they actually felt like Stat Wars and didn’t feel like some generic shitty sci-fi would-be flop that just happened to have a Star Wars skin on it.

The fact that Rogue One has a terrible, rushed score from some random composer rather than a John Williams score is enough to demonstrate just how un-Star Wars this film really is. It’s dull, drab, and dreary. Star Wars films are supposed to be full of excitement, color, and life. Things Rogue One had zero of. Only thing it had less of was characters with personality, characters the audience related to and were invested in, and a story that was interesting and unpredictable. It did have a lot of cringeworthy and forced fan service though, I’ll give it that.

I don’t give a damn how “adult” the movie is, because adult movies can still suck. If anything it’s the opposite of what I look for when I watch Star Wars anyway, which is to revive the child inside me for a moment. Rogue One killed him.

I’m glad you didn’t like this movie…because no one worth their salt would ever compare rogue one with the star wars prequels and say the prequels are better in anyway

The prequels were far worse than anything in rogue one…even twilight is a much more well written film objectively than any of the prequels

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#1088854
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What do you HATE about the EU?
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yotsuya said:

The further the EU got into the future from ROTJ, they less I liked it. I never objected to the past stories, but they were either just before ANH or thousands of years back. I think that is a time period Disney should push Star Wars to. More Jedi vs. Sith and more lightsaber battles, but do it right, unlike the PT.

Jedi and sith are boring as hell…more of them won’t solve anything

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#1088852
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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Alderaan said:

The amount of shilling that some posters do on behalf of Disney for their empty, commercialized bullshit is truly astounding.

I hope they own shares in the company or are at least employed by them in some capacity.

What is truly astounding is that you think that return of the jedi is anything but a hollow toy commercial with zero substance…it is a awful film

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#1087858
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Reasons why TFA and RO are the same movie.
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Wannabe Scholar said:

Jeebus said:

Wannabe Scholar said:

10 - The movie tries to harken back to the original trilogy by including tons of fan service, with recognizable characters and places that are almost identical to those places in the OT, so much to the point it’s more up in your face than being endearing.

You make it sound like it’s a bad thing; but if a movie set directly before ANH wasn’t like that, it wouldn’t work.

I don’t know about that. I prefer RO over TFA any day, but I have to admit there’s a lot of damning evidence to show that both are guilty of this. A lot of people have complained of the ANH imagery used in TFA, and how obvious it was. And there have been people who said similar things of RO (like RedLetterMedia, if you focus on the actual good points they had on RO).

Force awakens had characters with personalities

Rogue one is only liked because it is more original…but strip that all away and rogue one isn’t a story but only liked because of darth vader

Rogue one is very similar to return of the jedi as they are both undeservingly praised for hollow things that aren’t that impressive

For ROTJ it was the throne room scene…don’t really see the appeal of that scene

For rogue one it was the darth vader sequences. which are to be fair much better than the entirety of return of the jedi but also not good enough for it to save the movie

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#1087430
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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CarboniteSolo said:

If Star Wars fans want something different, how about Kylo Ren is killed, but through the dark side, Snoke resurrects Kylo, or Snoke enters Kylo’s body and makes him very, very powerful. There needs to be something we have NEVER SEEN BEFORE in a Star Wars movie, not a rehash of Return of the Jedi.

I was thinking of Tron (Disney) the other day, remember when Master Control Program(MCP) gave him life and power after Sark failed to stop Tron. I can see Snoke giving his pupil unlimited power to stop Rey and Luke, resulting in an epic fight, that leaves Luke dead, but Rey to mentor the next generation of grey Jedi.

Perfection…minus the possesive part I truly love the idea of resurrection making a entity stronger…while also less human

It could be recycled for a original character in a inevitable old republic movie

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#1087338
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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rodneyfaile said:

Baze and Chirrut from Rogue One were Guardians of the Whills. They weren’t Whills themselves but at least it’s been mentioned in a movie now along with Kyber Crystals. Maybe Snoke is a Whill. I’m sure Luke learned a lot from those books in the cave on that island

Disney is infusing a lot of fantasy elements in a franchise that desperately needed a break from the sci fi bullshit of the vong and midi chlorians…good

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#1086978
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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The whills work for 2 reasons

This is a OT concept that is steeped in mysticism that makes the force weirder and more mysterious

They are few things in life better than star wars…one of them is star wars influenced by tolkien

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#1086875
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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a overarching vision was 100 percent wrong with star wars after 1980

I for one thought that empire strikes back was great…till the I am your father scene happened

I don’t find the idea of darth vader being lukes father to be a particularly good idea that benefited vader as a character…more like the beginning of his decline.

He never quit became vader again till rogue one where luke was no where near him

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#1086862
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Episode VIII Discussion *SPOILER THREAD*
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This is what I want from last jedi

Luke is revealed to be very important to the true conflict of the ST but not in a way you think

Think of snoke as a kind of sauron-melkor figure…powerful but not at his full strength. He was awakened by the first order in the beyond when they palpatines scrolls talked about a GOD to the sith empire (the sith empire lasted centuries as oppose to decades). Realizing the suprising longeivity of the sith empire and believing that this dark entity could them.

The dark entity is not something that came out of my ass…it is a FALLEN WHILL. A whill that was cast down from the other realm because of his lust for control. Whereas the original whills were observers and passive…he was more proactive. He also believes in free will and the belief that we can make our own destiny and that the force is a puppet master for both his realm and the mortal realm. He was cast out of the force and was angered…he creates the sith empire and becomes it’s god. Clone wars mentions that the elite The sith sacrificed prisoners for unknown reasons…no one knew why…till now

His empire however was eventually destroyed and replaced with the rule of 2 as he was defeated by the bendu after a war in the force realm…leading to all but the bendu to be destroyed. Locked in the beyond snoke would plan to make a comeback

A comeback that began a conflict with Luke that culminated with him destroying the jedi(creating a cool story of lukes jedi order and the new republic fighting against the imperial remnant and snoke). Kylo turns to the dark side because of his parents neglect, while they both destroy Luke’s temple and convert many of the jedi to the Knights of ren(explaining why kylo is their master, because they are all padawans when they joined). Luke confronts snoke and they have a epic fight of force abilities that culminates with Luke weakening him. Luke realizes that snoke can only remain weakened as long as he lives. So he flees to ach-too for the greater good of the galaxy.

Rey herself merely entered into a cosmic battle between the jedi and space satan as well as Luke reading the whills journal and discovering that light and darkness need to be balanced.

Last jedi ends Luke being killed by rey after luke is defeated easily by a completely rejuvenated snoke…after snoke revealed that luke is responsible for killing her parents who were dark siders who followed snoke. leia sacrifices herself to buy the resistance time to escape to republic space to regroup and join republic forces for a “big offensive” as she uses the force storm, causing her to destroy the ship she is on as well as hux. Rey leaves with Snoke and kylo where she has the “family” she always wanted, rose Finn and Poe are left on the SD crashing onto the planet.

Cut to black

Thoughts?

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