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If they are all being frozen in Carbonite…
Prequelitis.
I really hope that’s just a lift.
It is
Why would all three of them be on a Carbonite machine
I suspected quote mining was involved.
Let’s not pretend that luke skywalker was ever a interesting character to begin with…his non presence in TFA is a parallel to how interesting of a “character” luke is
The further the EU got into the future from ROTJ, they less I liked it. I never objected to the past stories, but they were either just before ANH or thousands of years back. I think that is a time period Disney should push Star Wars to. More Jedi vs. Sith and more lightsaber battles, but do it right, unlike the PT.
Jedi and sith are boring as hell…more of them won’t solve anything
The amount of shilling that some posters do on behalf of Disney for their empty, commercialized bullshit is truly astounding.
I hope they own shares in the company or are at least employed by them in some capacity.
What is truly astounding is that you think that return of the jedi is anything but a hollow toy commercial with zero substance…it is a awful film
10 - The movie tries to harken back to the original trilogy by including tons of fan service, with recognizable characters and places that are almost identical to those places in the OT, so much to the point it’s more up in your face than being endearing.
You make it sound like it’s a bad thing; but if a movie set directly before ANH wasn’t like that, it wouldn’t work.
I don’t know about that. I prefer RO over TFA any day, but I have to admit there’s a lot of damning evidence to show that both are guilty of this. A lot of people have complained of the ANH imagery used in TFA, and how obvious it was. And there have been people who said similar things of RO (like RedLetterMedia, if you focus on the actual good points they had on RO).
Force awakens had characters with personalities
Rogue one is only liked because it is more original…but strip that all away and rogue one isn’t a story but only liked because of darth vader
Rogue one is very similar to return of the jedi as they are both undeservingly praised for hollow things that aren’t that impressive
For ROTJ it was the throne room scene…don’t really see the appeal of that scene
For rogue one it was the darth vader sequences. which are to be fair much better than the entirety of return of the jedi but also not good enough for it to save the movie
If Star Wars fans want something different, how about Kylo Ren is killed, but through the dark side, Snoke resurrects Kylo, or Snoke enters Kylo’s body and makes him very, very powerful. There needs to be something we have NEVER SEEN BEFORE in a Star Wars movie, not a rehash of Return of the Jedi.
I was thinking of Tron (Disney) the other day, remember when Master Control Program(MCP) gave him life and power after Sark failed to stop Tron. I can see Snoke giving his pupil unlimited power to stop Rey and Luke, resulting in an epic fight, that leaves Luke dead, but Rey to mentor the next generation of grey Jedi.
Perfection…minus the possesive part I truly love the idea of resurrection making a entity stronger…while also less human
It could be recycled for a original character in a inevitable old republic movie
Baze and Chirrut from Rogue One were Guardians of the Whills. They weren’t Whills themselves but at least it’s been mentioned in a movie now along with Kyber Crystals. Maybe Snoke is a Whill. I’m sure Luke learned a lot from those books in the cave on that island
Disney is infusing a lot of fantasy elements in a franchise that desperately needed a break from the sci fi bullshit of the vong and midi chlorians…good
The whills work for 2 reasons
This is a OT concept that is steeped in mysticism that makes the force weirder and more mysterious
They are few things in life better than star wars…one of them is star wars influenced by tolkien
Yeah…this isn’t about empire strikes back
This is about almost(but not everything vader related) after
I am deeply suprised that a star wars fan forum does not know what the hell a whill is
a overarching vision was 100 percent wrong with star wars after 1980
I for one thought that empire strikes back was great…till the I am your father scene happened
I don’t find the idea of darth vader being lukes father to be a particularly good idea that benefited vader as a character…more like the beginning of his decline.
He never quit became vader again till rogue one where luke was no where near him
This is what I want from last jedi
Luke is revealed to be very important to the true conflict of the ST but not in a way you think
Think of snoke as a kind of sauron-melkor figure…powerful but not at his full strength. He was awakened by the first order in the beyond when they palpatines scrolls talked about a GOD to the sith empire (the sith empire lasted centuries as oppose to decades). Realizing the suprising longeivity of the sith empire and believing that this dark entity could them.
The dark entity is not something that came out of my ass…it is a FALLEN WHILL. A whill that was cast down from the other realm because of his lust for control. Whereas the original whills were observers and passive…he was more proactive. He also believes in free will and the belief that we can make our own destiny and that the force is a puppet master for both his realm and the mortal realm. He was cast out of the force and was angered…he creates the sith empire and becomes it’s god. Clone wars mentions that the elite The sith sacrificed prisoners for unknown reasons…no one knew why…till now
His empire however was eventually destroyed and replaced with the rule of 2 as he was defeated by the bendu after a war in the force realm…leading to all but the bendu to be destroyed. Locked in the beyond snoke would plan to make a comeback
A comeback that began a conflict with Luke that culminated with him destroying the jedi(creating a cool story of lukes jedi order and the new republic fighting against the imperial remnant and snoke). Kylo turns to the dark side because of his parents neglect, while they both destroy Luke’s temple and convert many of the jedi to the Knights of ren(explaining why kylo is their master, because they are all padawans when they joined). Luke confronts snoke and they have a epic fight of force abilities that culminates with Luke weakening him. Luke realizes that snoke can only remain weakened as long as he lives. So he flees to ach-too for the greater good of the galaxy.
Rey herself merely entered into a cosmic battle between the jedi and space satan as well as Luke reading the whills journal and discovering that light and darkness need to be balanced.
Last jedi ends Luke being killed by rey after luke is defeated easily by a completely rejuvenated snoke…after snoke revealed that luke is responsible for killing her parents who were dark siders who followed snoke. leia sacrifices herself to buy the resistance time to escape to republic space to regroup and join republic forces for a “big offensive” as she uses the force storm, causing her to destroy the ship she is on as well as hux. Rey leaves with Snoke and kylo where she has the “family” she always wanted, rose Finn and Poe are left on the SD crashing onto the planet.
Cut to black
Thoughts?
How to fix return of the jedi
Kill han solo in empire strikes back(BY DARTH F@CKING VADER) and replace the ewoks with coruscant invasion by the alliance as well as make leia pregnant with hans child whom she names Ben solo
This child will be 2 by return of the jedi
Luke will begin return of the jedi in a more emotionally complex place as he tends to yoda death bed on dagobah…having trained for the past 2 years and ready to train ben (setting up kylo ren).
Why this is better
It gives luke a harder time to forgive vader, as well as the crowd. We cannot forgive kylo for what he did in TFA…imagine if vader stabbed that lightsaber threw hans chest while han said “I know” in front of leia.
Jabba palace is gone and god riddance
A better motivation for luke to kill his father in that moment at the throne room
Sets up a future search for a father figure by Ben solo which leads to snoke
Sets up a better theme of forgiving your enemies for return of the jedi…as Luke and leia forgive their father for killing han as vader dies in the throne room of palpatines lava palace
I want snoke to be a fallen whill so bad
Imagine how this one twist will explode star wars
We will finally see the supreme intellect as described by Lucas back at 1983
I want snoke to be a fallen whill so bad
Imagine how this one twist will explode star wars
We will finally see the supreme intellect as described by Lucas back at 1983
I would prefer Rey got her leg chopped off or her saber destroyed. Finn’s injury in TFA was original for the films and it’s sad that new types of lightsaber injuries might not be crossing over into TLJ.
There is only so many types of ways to destroy a person with a lightsaber without killing them
Finn should be brain dead from that spine cut
Dark side personality syndrome: tell me how forcing luke to kill his father is gonna make him palpatines apprentice…
Luke used the dark side of the force to overcome Vader during their last fight. The Emperor’s plan was for Luke to become enamored with the dark side, once he felt its power, as his father had. Luke regained his composure, and stayed good in the end.
still does not answer my question
vaders attempt to turn luke to the dark side in empire strikes back made more sense…using the one thing luke dreamed of his entire life(being with his father) as a means to get him to go with him. I miss the era where the dark side was more of a ideology than a drug that makes characters one temper tantrum away from being a asshole…something disney seems to be fixing(notice how the word dark side is only referenced once in the sequel trilogy)
it about time the dark side-hyde thing goes away and dies where all the bad EU tropes are
They were of no emotional significance though.
THIS
just because a character is doing something does not mean that they are significant to the emotional story of the film
Last jedi can’t be any worse than return of the jedi
A film liked because of the 80s and not so much quality
Last Jedi can’t be any worse than ROTJ? Really?
I’ve got three other movies to show you. The first one stars the kid from “Jingle All the Way.”
Wow…another set of shitty movies somehow makes return of the jedi less of a shit stain on the star wars mythos
Prequels may of introduced midi - chlorines
But return of the jedi started several trends that ruined star wars
It was the movie that firmly established that jedi were the only characters who make any real difference…han and leia had zero stake or importance in the story and you can cut then out if you want…this trend of “jedi first, everyone last” infected star wars media to a ridiculous degree
Dark side personality syndrome: tell me how forcing luke to kill his father is gonna make him palpatines apprentice…wouldn’t he just kill the emperor and spend his days atoning for that sin? That is a main issue that never got resolved in star wars, every jedi is one temper tantrum away from being a asshole. And return of the jedi was the one that started it.
In empire strikes back Luke’s near turn to the dark side was TEN TIME more effective and convincing than palpatines plan to turn luke to the dark side.
Gary kurz wanted to change the redemption of vader to be more nuanced…as it turns out vader wanted to make amends in his own sick f@ckity way
But Lucas deprived us of that in favor of a quick unearned redemption sequence
These gorilla walkers remind me that when it comes to designs, the sequel trilogy REALLY has lacked in creativity. Max Landis made a great point about how even in the OT, we had Y-Wings, TIE Bombers, TIE Interceptors, etc. In the prequels we got a load of new ships. Far different than the OT but I really appreciated them from a purely visual perceptive. Even Rogue One introduced a new ship and made sure to include Y-Wings. And they made a new type of TIE Fighter.
The Force Awakens literally had TIE fighters and X-Wings. That is literally it. Very lame in my opinion. The resistance ships on Crait seem really new and unique though so that excites me! 😃
Max Landis has written one watchable movie that is a tad above twilight in my opinion…honestly do not see the appeal of his opinions
Last jedi can’t be any worse than return of the jedi
A film liked because of the 80s and not so much quality
Remember his ideas for where Luke should go in ROTJ?
He never gave his personal ideas
He always thought that luke would take the obi wan role of the new heroes
I think the galaxy is at least so many, but maybe not too many.
define too many
Way more than so many.
1 million inhabited worlds sound enough?
I think the galaxy is at least so many, but maybe not too many.
define too many
I’ll stop being negative when
A. the nuEU stops churning out sub-par fan-fiction
B. I die
Whichever comes first.
Well at least vader down has a actual story
Unlike return of the jedi…which was shit and only liked because of the 80s…nothing more