Fassbender would make a good remnant imperial officer. I wouldn't want to see him as one of the main protagonists, though.
And I'd like to see Hugo Weaving in a role that isn't the stereotypical maniacal villain. I'd like to see him as an ally to Luke, possibly a Jedi.
The prospect of what is needed to REVISIT the prequels seriously makes me anxious, haha. It almost seems that with the amount of work that needs to be done, Ady could create 3 brand new fan films to replace the prequels, and just use the films to pull different visual resources from.
ben_danger said:
I always throw out this idea, but I'm sure you could introduce characters in the PT who are older in ROTJ:R. They could be used to good effect in adding more depth to the 'BIG' story, while the heroes have their personal battles. Could also add a nice bit of bookending.
These could replace generals and pilot. Maybe even some of the troops on Endor and Imperial Admirals on the Death Star.
I think this is a great idea. I still question why they cut out the rebellion scenes in ROTS. Seeing Mon Mothma was one of the few nods to the OT that actually worked. Injecting other characters into the prequels and subsequently into ROTJ's rebel debriefing and battle would be a great addition.
DuracellEnergizer said:
TMBTM said:
I don't know 7 people on this picture, is that normal, or am I just getting old?
Oh, it's completely normal. After all, modern teenybopper crap is completely forgettable (unless they shove it in your face and try to force-feed it to you).
The only person (besides our beloved Stars) I'm sure about is Miley Cyrus. And having been a late 90's Disney kid, I think I recognize that blonde girl on the left.
EDIT: Wait a minute, those blonde kids on the right... is one of them the kid from Big Daddy?
So despite the clear lack of interest here, I am still working on this project haha. I just started new job and I've been a little distracted recently, but I get a couple hours of work in every week.
I'm reconsidering releasing any sort of clip or trailer, because there isn't really a short enough clip that emphasizes the point of this edit. It would come off too simply as two clips from two movies juxtaposed right next to each other. But we'll see. And a trailer would just slow down work on the final project anyways, so I've kinda ruled that out.
There is however going to be a "Marvel one-shot" released sometime in the next few months that supposedly will feature Ben Kingsley in some form or another. Some people claim it will be about the Trevor character, others think it will dismiss Trevor as a look alike and introduce the real Ben Kingsley Mandarin. Either way, I want to wait until this is released before I finish my edit, as it may provide me with some good footage to use.
Oh, and Happy Belated New Years, OT-ers!
Anchorhead said:
It makes no sense what so ever that he's suddenly elevated to the feared-by-all status in the following film. What (in-story) warranted that transformation?
Exactly. This was kind of the first slip-up, where Lucas started showing a lack of understanding of the world he had created. This is one of the instances I can somewhat forgive, however, because in the end it does serve the story well. But when Lucas got around to the prequels, he suddenly had this preconception that Anakin needed to "live up" to the name of Vader. And that resulted in all this nonsense about a prophecy, a chosen one, and that Anakin's fate was somehow tied to the fate of the galaxy. He didn't understand that just like Luke becoming a Jedi in the original trilogy, Anakin's fall to the darkside should have been auxiliary to the story.
CO said:
But I will also say that the SW movies would have gotten redundant if he just made them standalone stories like Indiana Jones movies, and no real overall plot line. That's why I say every great franchise gets to a point where there is nothing more to tell, and the stories are just catering to the fanboys.
I definitely agree, and I didn't mean to imply that they should be standalone stories. I actually like the plot that runs through the OT. Although I think ROTJ could have been handled a little bit differently, I have no issue with the fact that Luke and Vader remained the main protagonist/antagonist up until the end. Their intertwined fate gave the relatively small scale events of ANH new meaning, and that's one of the things I enjoyed about it. What I intended to convey was that Anakin's fall to the dark side didn't need to be the sole focus of the story, and it didn't need to be so closely tied to the fate of the galaxy.
The difference here though, despite any of our personal tastes, is that Abrams is approaching this project with an outsiders perspective. This something that Lucas never had the ability to do, and that is (in my opinion) the biggest thing that went wrong with the prequels.
After years of being on the inside, Lucas had no understanding of what made Star Wars important in the first place. I'm not accusing him of trying to sell toys as many of us like to do, but the cultural marketing of Star Wars is what influenced Lucas' decision making. For example, Darth Vader was only a larger than life character to the audience, not to the other characters in that world. But Lucas didn't understand that. And that resulted in a story that focused on Anakin/Vader being presented as this fallen Christ-like figure. Or perhaps look at the Jedi and their trusty weaponry. The marketability of that iconography certainly influenced Lucas in making the Jedi being a huge focus, and such constant use of Lightsabers, scene after scene. There are countless examples like these, and although that "cultural marketing" perspective may not have been his sole influence, it's still an obvious factor.
Now don't get me wrong, there are definitely certain fans out there who love the prequels, some of whom may only see Star Wars for its superficial imagery, and if they had any say in Lucas' plan, they would have made very similar decisions. But a successful filmmaker who understand the history of both Star Wars as well as film history in general, will be far more capable of understanding what makes Star Wars interesting and engaging.
I'm not putting my full faith in Abrams just yet, but I am optimistic about what he'll be able to pull off. You may not like his other movies, his aesthetic style, his interpretation of the Star Trek universe, etc, but at the very least, he always gets engaging performances from his cast, so we're already improving upon the prequels.
TV's Frink said:
Humby said:
The only complaint I could make towards Ady's new Vader hologram is that he looks a little short and stout for some reason.
He's just a little teapot.
Earl Grey, of course. It helps with the burns.
The only complaint I could make towards Ady's new Vader hologram is that he looks a little short and stout for some reason. It might be the angle, but if his image were stretched just a tiny bit to make him appear taller, I think it would be spot on. Either way, a billion times better than the old one.
bkev said:
I'm sorry. I can't make this on-topic, but this resemblance is too uncanny to go unnoticed.
bkev, I'm really bad at detecting sarcasm online so I apologize if there was implied sarcasm there, but you do know that Dave Grohl, the singer in Foo Fighters is the drummer from Nirvana, right?
darklordoftech said:
Anyway, the sequel trilogy can do things to compensate for the prequels. For example, Luke could say, "The Jedi used to believe in midichlorians, but we now know that midichlorians don't exist."
In my eyes, I would much rather have a PT plot point be ignored than try to be fixed. A scene like this would take me out of the moment. Memories of Qui-Gon and young Anakin, memories of Palpatine's silly create life speech, these would all come flooding back and seriously take me out of what would probably be a meaningful conversation about the force (the only place a scene like this could probably fit). Overall, it just seems unnecessary, other than appeasing a few disheartened fans.
I don't mean to pick on your idea, specifically, but it was a good example for me to explain why I feel it is more important to let the prequels be, reference them only in a broader manner, and leave the details out. That way, those who want to ignore the prequels can continue to do so, but those who enjoy the prequels aren't completely left out.
If they can reference events from the PT without a level of detail that invokes specific scenes/imagery/characterizations, then I would be satisfied.
For example...
Reference Palpatine's rise as an abuse of political power aided by the shroud of the dark side, but don't give us exposition about specific aspects of his plan. We shouldn't need to know that he was a senator from Naboo, or how he controlled both sides of the Clone Wars, or who all of his apprentices were, or that he fought Yoda and won, etc...
By all means discuss the the fall of the Jedi Order and blame that on their deep involvement in politics, but don't explain every detail about how Anakin was close to the Palpatine, don't use Order 66 by name, don't even mention that the jedi were painted as traitors, etc...
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In other words, if they must reference the PT, keep it in the form of general ideological overviews. Stay away from detailed exposition of past events, and make sure the plot doesn't rely on such exposition.
An extreme case of this might be something like this... if we have a scene where Ghost Anakin has to sit down and explain to his grandchildren the Story of Darth Plagueis, so they can learn more about whatever enemy they are facing. This level of exposition and relying on past events would be a slap in the face to any audience. Frankly, I would walk out of the theater.
Keep the references light, and use them sparingly.
No typo DominicCobb, I said "IF" they were closer to Boston. Sorry for the confusion though. But it's true, they are not coming here, which is why I won't be participating. They are sticking to some larger cities across the States, but actively avoiding some of the largest like NYC and LA.
I totally would have if they were closer to Boston. Obviously not expecting to achieve anything, but just to be involved in that experience. Even if its just the simplest of auditions, it's a great story to tell.
For someone like myself who wasn't born to catch the original in theaters, but was heavily raised on them, my only experience with the summer tradition came through the prequels. So I have no problem breaking this tradition, haha.
For Episode I, my friends and I first watched the original then off to the theater we went. For Episode II we first watched the originals, followed by Episode I, and then to the theater. Finally for Episode III we broke the pattern and watched them in order. My buddy's dad had an awesome projection set-up in his backyard, so I fully admit, the summer provided us a good setting for that.
I enjoyed the prequels for what they were back then, when I was a bit younger, but it's hard for me to sit through any of them anymore. In that sense, I am fully open to breaking tradition, because it tells me the creators are willing to mix things up. Even through something as small as a release date change, shines a glimmer of hope for something fresh with these movies.
He wont die in Episode VII, but I think he will sacrifice himself before the end of the trilogy.
Ford may have wanted Solo to die back in the days of ESB and ROTJ, but the only purpose he served in ROTJ was to be saved, so you can understand Ford's reasoning. After that, he didn't do much that affected the story.
If his character arc in the new trilogy serves to be meaning and impactful, he may have no problem reprising the role two or three more times. And he may end up dying anyways (like I said, hopefully in a sacrificial way), but it wont be in Episode VII.
Not a bad idea. A less problematic approach might be to add a short bit of dialogue to the battledroid when he tells Grievous where the Jedi are. "The Jedi are in hallway 3218, and an unknown droid in hanger bay 5." Something to that effect.
But in all honesty, the first time I watched your clip, I didn't give R2's capture a second thought. It was still a smooth transition without explicitly showing or saying how he was captured. Just my 2 cents though.
Aalenfae, that's a great rough cut! I've always wanted to edit the elevator scene so that as the ship levels out, the three of them simply fall into an open doorway, because I'm not a fan of the miracle grappling hooks. That always left the problem of how to show Obi-Wan waking up, and left the cringe worthy ray shield scene. This ingeniously circumvents both of those events!
I noticed you put in some non existent dialogue subs for Grievous towards the end, so I'm assuming you're planning on redubbing Grievous' voice? If so, I would go even further to say, if possible, rework the entire conversation between him and the heroes to make his banter with them fit better with their responses.
Either way, great work!
I've personally never had issues with the plot of ROTJ. I always thought it tied things up nicely, which is exactly what it was meant to do. Aside from its lighter moments and lack of death, ROTJ has a very heavy weight to it.
Removing some of the sillier elements like the dance number in Jabba's palace, and some of the droids banter would be a good start. Additionally, making Endor the wookie home planet would have led to a much more effective ground battle. Having enslaved wookies breaking free and join in battle with the rebels would be awesome. It would also make the motivations of Han and Chewie far more meaningful.
Aside from these types of superficial flaws, there isn't really much else I would change. I personally liked the fact that the first half hour is completely unrelated to the rest of the movie, and that Leia ended up being Luke's sister, etc...
Hindsight is always 20/20, but I've never put much thought into what I would have done if given a blank slate. These are just the issues I have with the existing film.
Star Wars Episode VII: The Search for Chewbock.
Muahaha
Come on guys. Just admit it. You know you would all be elated to see Yarael Poof show up as a wise old Jedi in hiding ;)
( http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yarael_Poof )
Does anyone think we will see Jedi returning from exile? Not necessarily any familiar faces, nor the actual act of showing up out of nowhere, but rather some sort of passing reference to the fact that some Jedi may have survived the purge and have returned to help Luke with his New Jedi Order.
I would love to have an older Jedi thrown in to fill the void of the wise old Jedi. It's actually a shame that Lucas had most of the familiar Jedi faces killed off in ROTS, because that would be one of the few connections to the PT that I wouldn't mind seeing. They would be able to convey an innate knowledge of the failures that took place in the past, and be helpful in maintaining a more steady order. You could argue that Luke will be the wise older Jedi, but I think his story will be slightly too prominent to carry the mystery and gravitas of, say, old Ben or Yoda.
I'm fairly certain Ady was being sarcastic a few posts back. He has stated numerous times that he won't be changing Lando's fate.
^I'd prefer not to see a third generation of Fett in the ST, and I don't think we're going to. Aside the main characters of the OT and their offspring, I don't think we'll be seeing a strong connection to any other characters in the entire saga (with the possible exception of Palpatine, although I'd prefer a fresh villain).
No return of Maul, no children of Dooku or Tarkin or Fett, none of that nonsense. It's too contrived and unimaginative. I'd even be disappointed if they give us something relating to Plagueis. He was just a sith who Palpatine deceitfully glorified for the sole purpose of influencing Anakin.
Now that I've had my short rant, I will add this: If they MUST bring back Palpatine, I hope they do so in a Voldemort type manner - an object or location that contains his soul, which he then uses to manipulate a good character (against their will/knowledge) in an attempt to return to the living. I would love to see a character that doesn't realize what they are doing and can't control it, while being utilized for evil, i.e., what Anakin's story should have been. If Anakin didn't constantly admit that he knew everything he was doing was wrong, the story of the prequels would be 75% better.
On the whole age issue, there is no doubt that the original cast will take somewhat of a backseat to the new younger cast members. That being said, we are most certainly going to be given some time for the older cast to hold the mantle. They were asked to get in shape (to a degree) for a reason, and although it would be silly to see them jumping around in the same manner as their old antics, that doesn't mean they wont see action. They will, and I trust Abrams fully in making it tasteful.
Hey all,
Long time visitor, recent member, and rare poster here. I’ve never attempted an entire fan edit, but I often find myself tinkering with scenes of my favorite films (and sometimes least favorite) for personal gratification. With the release of Iron Man 3 this year, I’ve had the idea to create a mash-up of all three movies. My main goal for this project is to create a single standalone Iron Man story that really strengthens the connection between the events of IM1 and IM3. I don’t foresee much, if any, cosmetic work. And as my first real full length edit, I think limiting the degree of work to mostly editing, will help me keep my wits about me.
I will be removing all direct connections to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. On a related note, I plan on cutting out most of IM2; using only scenes that might strengthen the narrative between 1 and 3. The inevitable problem here is that I will unfortunately create slight inconsistencies such as Tony’s switch to a new arc reactor, amongst others. Another blatant inconsistency will be the change from Terrance Howard to Don Cheadle as Rhodey. I will do my best though, to minimize the inconsistencies, provided they don’t break my biggest rule of keeping this independent of the MCU.
Ultimately, I would like to see the Mandarin & Aldrich Killian’s schemes connect more directly to Tony’s initial Ten Rings kidnapping. I have been endlessly skimming through the movies over the past few days, and although it will be tough, I think it can be done.
The last thing I want to address, I will refer to as THE BIG QUESTION: Can the Mandarin twist be removed effectively? No doubt this will be an enormous challenge to overcome, but I do have an idea. If some of the Mandarin scenes can be effectively connected (and relocated) closer to the Ten Rings fiasco of IM1, then I might be able to make him an enemy that simply escapes the film without resolution. If, at the end of the day, this change doesn’t seem to work well, I have no problem leaving it the way it is. I will however do everything I can to make it feel like less of a cop out.
I would love to hear any of your thoughts on this project, and any issues you think I may run into. I’ll do my best to keep things updated even if the thread falls into obscurity. Thanks for any/all of your input!
~Humby
EDIT: So one of the reasons I wanted to remove the MCU references was because many of them seemed contrived and out of place in IM2. I have been thinking though, that I want to somehow incorporate Tony’s reactor poisoning and his creation of the new reactor. Not to mention I LOVE the Howard Stark scenes. If I want to use this material though, it might be necessary for me to use the Nick Fury footage. If I can do so without ruining the flow, I may renege on my no MCU rule. This would certainly add to the run time, but right now I’m aiming for a total of 3.5 hours. Long for a movie, but the more I start moving things around the more confident I feel that I can construct an enjoyable narrative.
I’ll try and post some videos within the next week.
@Ronster, I think Darth Solo was talking about the scene in ESB where the Falcon evades detection by attaching to the Star Destroyer and Needa says "...no ship that small has a cloaking device." So that pretty much validates Darth Solo's statement, as the Falcon and Slave I are comparable in size.
