Handman

darthrush said:

Handman said:

Why not stitch together the two scenes before and after they call Maz into one? I wish I had the script, but there should be enough there to show they need a specific codebreaker, and if you cut canto bight entirely, you don’t need to explain why they need to go there.

Finn: "No one can get in there, they scramble the shields code every hour."
Poe: “I think I know someone.”

Cut to Finn and Rose leaving on the shuttle. That’s all you need.

It’s all about the dialogue. I recall him just lifting his head up and then we cut to maz but if he says “I think I know someone” then you can cut straight from there to the radar blip and then you see them pick up Poe’s call on the ship that they found a code breaker. And then you have the scene of him stealing from the ship after that before they arrive at the supremacy. You could also cut down them sneaking around (iron joke, evil BB-8, jokes).

Good thinking Handman, I think that’s the best way I’ve heard yet to cut down Canto Bight.

Thanks, to further develop this, we can rearrange the sequence a bit more.

Finn: "They scramble the shields, it’s impossible"
Poe: "I think I know someone"
Maybe cut to another scene of Rey or Ren.
Threepio: "General Twin Peaks will never agree to this plan"
Poe: "That’s why it’s a need-to-know plan"
Poe gets up and starts walking here, we cut to the radar blip.
Next scene with Rey or Ren. Then we see Poe talk to Finn and Rose, asking how things are going, maybe we can use some of Finn’s dialogue from the casino but we don’t have to see it. The next time we see Finn and Rose is “We got A codebreaker, not THE codebreaker”. The scene where DJ steals from the ship can serve as a good introduction to his character.

The ship subplot with General Twin Peaks is shown from Poe’s perspective, if we see Finn and Rose from his perspective as well it helps resolve the way we see the General, makes it feel a bit more natural. This is my hope.

I really wish Finn was more reluctant to help. He starts off running away from the fleet to save his hide and ends it willing to sacrifice himself for it, but the way he got from here to there could have been more natural, he’s way too quick to go along with Rose’s plan. Rose should have pushed him more. What’s there could be good, but we just don’t have the material to make it really work. This way Finn has more of an actual arc, even if it is a retread of TFA, but it’s better than… nothing.

I don’t think TPM will ever get a proper 4K treatment if only to keep it in line with the other prequels, unfortunately. We’re talking about the same people who DNR’d it to death for the same reason.

Why not stitch together the two scenes before and after they call Maz into one? I wish I had the script, but there should be enough there to show they need a specific codebreaker, and if you cut canto bight entirely, you don’t need to explain why they need to go there.

Finn: "No one can get in there, they scramble the shields code every hour."
Poe: “I think I know someone.”

Cut to Finn and Rose leaving on the shuttle. That’s all you need.

darthrush said:

Handman said:

darthrush said:

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I think it can be cut down even more significantly.

– Cut Maz, cut all of the casino. Make it so Poe sends Finn and Rose off, continue with the Poe subplot, where he asks what’s going on, the next time we see Finn and Rose is on the stolen ship. “We got A codebreaker, not THE codebreaker”. I don’t remember if the scene where DJ steals from the ship is before or after that, but if it is, rearrange it so the conversation with Poe comes first.
– Show enough of the infiltration of the ship to get the gist, but cut Phasma entirely. She’s pointless. Show DJ’s betrayal “You’re wrong!” “…Maybe.” (I love that exchange). Cut everything after that, the next time we see them, they’re in the planet’s atmosphere on the ship.

I honestly don’t think you miss much.

I actually like this idea except you still would need a trimmed down version of the Maz scene. She would say they need to find a codebreaker, she makes her “he can do everything” joke, and then you cut all of the stuff about the rose lapel or whatever about him on a high card table. This makes it more of a general “find the codebreaker” rather than all of this stuff about a casino.

I’m glad you like it! I’d need to rewatch that specific scene again, but I’m sure there’s a way to show Poe, Finn, and Rose arrive to the same conclusion without Maz at all.

And I kind of like the Phasma fight so I maybe would keep that. I consider it somewhat important for Finn to quite literally defeat his past.

He did that in TFA, though, when he shoved her into a garbage chute. It can be inferred she died on SKB. I don’t think her appearance does anything but further show her being useless and stupid, like Boba Fett in ROTJ.

I’m very tempted to create my own edit of the film come its home video release.

darthrush said:

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I think it can be cut down even more significantly.

– Cut Maz, cut all of the casino. Make it so Poe sends Finn and Rose off, continue with the Poe subplot, where he asks what’s going on, the next time we see Finn and Rose is on the stolen ship. “We got A codebreaker, not THE codebreaker”. I don’t remember if the scene where DJ steals from the ship is before or after that, but if it is, rearrange it so the conversation with Poe comes first.
– Show enough of the infiltration of the ship to get the gist, but cut Phasma entirely. She’s pointless. Show DJ’s betrayal “You’re wrong!” “…Maybe.” (I love that exchange). Cut everything after that, the next time we see them, they’re in the planet’s atmosphere on the ship.

I honestly don’t think you miss much.

I guess I just don’t understand what any of you are trying to accomplish. Talk to the people you like and ignore the ones you don’t. Everyone has different ideas of what is proper and decent, and everyone is offended by different things. If they attack another poster, then it becomes a problem.

yhwx said:

Handman said:

I think we should wait for Frink to return from his temp-ban before we continue to condemn anyone else or go on endless conjecture.

What’s the problem with “condemning anyone else?”

I don’t think that’s very fair to do if they are not here to defend themselves. I’m fairly certain everyone we’re talking about doesn’t visit this section of the forum.

I will say this, this forum does have a lot of unwritten social codes that I haven’t encountered literally anywhere else in my life, and when someone breaks that code, they get a host of people on their back, which isn’t really fair. I don’t believe Dr.Dre’s offense is a perma-bannable thing, more like a warning, however Frink did go overboard, there’s no other way to take his response.

I think we should wait for Frink to return from his temp-ban before we continue to condemn anyone else or go on endless conjecture.

LexX said:

yhwx said:

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

I quite agree. If you’re here, you’re probably of the argumentative type, which means that it might be hard to let your arguments go. I’ve felt that many times before. You hold on to your arguments like children.

I’m just tired of that. Just tired. It doesn’t matter who posts their opinion about anything, there’s always someone whining about it and needing to have the last word. It’s become so tiresome that it’s better to just keep your opinions to yourself if you don’t want the bully squad on your ass.

I feel similarly.

yhwx said:

Handman said:

yhwx said:

Handman said:

Autistic people aren’t retarded, constantly linking the two together kind of bothers me. I know the intentions are well-meaning, but I can’t get over that.

I don’t think he’s trying to link the two. I just think he’s trying to go against the linking of those two by other people.

Indeed, but most times it’s used here, they aren’t linking the two.

So if I use the n-word, not intending to link it to slavery, it’s fine?

That’s ridiculous. The two words are completely different.

yhwx said:

Handman said:

Autistic people aren’t retarded, constantly linking the two together kind of bothers me. I know the intentions are well-meaning, but I can’t get over that.

I don’t think he’s trying to link the two. I just think he’s trying to go against the linking of those two by other people.

Indeed, but most times it’s used here, they aren’t linking the two. Anyway, that’s the last I say of it until he comes back and can respond if he wants.

Autistic people aren’t retarded, constantly linking the two together kind of bothers me. I know the intentions are well-meaning, but I can’t get over that.

Wow, that was unexpected.

I thought it was weird to use, especially from Luke.

All I wanna know is where did Threepio’s red arm go?

I kind of want to get rid of the casino altogether.

ZkinandBonez said:

For the moment I’d put on a pretty equal level to TFA. It had many moments far superior to TFA, but I felt was inconsistent in tone. So for me it kind of evens out in terms of over-all quality.

A 6/10 movie with 7 & 8/10 moments. (Does that make any sense?)

This is exactly how I feel. It’s very much like ROTJ in that regard.

I had issues with the “jokes” too. It’s a tonal issue and most of them aren’t funny.

My ranking at the moment:

1. Star Wars
2. Empire
3. Jedi
4. Last Jedi
5. TFA
6. R1

Warbler said:

dahmage said:

Hal 9000 said:

Staring at a dark screen. In about 35 minutes there’ll be car commercials, then trailers, then in about 1 hour it’ll start. Should have brought headphones or something.

just don’t be like the a$$hole a row in front of me last night, who kept getting out their phone during the movie, and shining the screen light on everyone behind them. 😃

I think I’ll bring a sledge hammer with me to smash anybody’s phone that does that.

This is a good strategy, and I implore everyone to adopt the same.

I’m gonna see it in about six hours. I can hardly wait.

Wow, it looks like a cartoon again.

Rationalize it all you want, she’s still boring.

TV’s Frink said:

DominicCobb said:

you think most people are anyway.

What’s a word for “higher than most but lower than all?”

Overwhelming majority?