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#1171036
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Reedit "Super Series"
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CHRONOLOGICAL VIEWING OF THE SAGA

So I was just skimming through AOTC and ROTS to determine where I can drop mentions of “Skywalker.” This can work! Some more alterations to the prequels:

  • No mention of “the prophecy” or Anakin being “the Chosen One”
  • Was toying with nixing all mentions of Padme’s pregnancy - but then thought I could trim all related dialogue so that it’s implied she only has one baby, a girl
  • When Padme’s in labor, cut “she’s medically healthy” and the mention of twins; show only Leia’s birth
  • Eliminate dialogue that refers to Jedi having no attachments to anyone; trim dialogue so that it isn’t implied that Anakin and Padme married in secret
  • Major change: Could VADER be the “(An)other” in TESB-ROTJ???; we never see Leia doing anything with the Force until TLJ, but I’ll be dropping the infamous “Mary Poppins” scene anyway, so there will never be Leia-the-Force-user

In my reedit of ROTJ, when Obi-Wan reveals what really happened, I’ll flash back to two key ROTS scenes: revealing both Luke’s birth and his being hidden on Tatooine. Hmm, I’ll also have to come with a way to cut around Obi-Wan confirming that Leia is “Another.”

For me such changes will both make the entire saga more enjoyable AND allow those unfamiliar with it to watch the whole thing in chronological order without spoilers.

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#1170027
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Reedit "Super Series"
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OutboundFlight said:
What if you never mention the name “Skywalker” in ep 1? He is just referred to as anakin. I remember only Grevious, the kid, and Windu using the name “skywalker” in ROTS, they could be cut or trimmed. Maybe have a Jedi say in passing “master skywalker…” where anakin isn’t there to suggest to viewers that there is a skywalker, but we don’t know who he is. You could then watch the movie in chronological order (cut obi-wan’s mention took of “anakin” in ANH and ESB).

Another brilliant idea! Thank you, OBF!!!

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#1169870
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Reedit "Super Series"
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Hal 9000 said:

My favorite way to use TPM as a prologue is what Octorox did:

Open with logos and “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.” Right when it’d normally cut to the STAR WARS logo, instead cut to the wide shot of the duel of the fates (the beginning of the scene where Maul kicks Obi-Wan a few shots in). Throughout the duel, such as when Qui-Gon sits to meditate and when Obi-Wan is trapped behind the laser walls, we flashback to the key events of TPM centering on finding Anakin.

Wow - totally loving that approach. And it fits with my intention to give each episode a pre-fanfare prologue.
Thank you!!!

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#1169825
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Reedit "Super Series"
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OutboundFlight said:
I would suggest for the prequels cut all of Ep 1 (except as a prologue of you are making those), one mid movie time jump is enough for an episodic movie and it adds nothing to the story.

Tempting, but I think the end-product would be somewhat dysfunctional. I just ran it through my head and it doesn’t seem to go well, at least as a mental experiment. The first idea that occurred to me was to have the Ep1 segment end with Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan having picked Anakin up from Tatooine. But of course then I immediately realized the rest of the movie would leave the gaping question of whatever happened to both Qui-Gon and Darth Maul.

So, I could jump immediately to the Maul-vs-Jedi confrontation on Naboo, but my first impression is that that would feel like something’s missing; like there’s really not much significance to this kid they’ve picked up.

I dunno, I’ll hafta play around with it. Thanks for the feedback, though!

Hmm, this just occurred to me as well. If I negated TPM altogether - where would Obi and Ani ever be introduced by their names??? The name Skywalker is first heard 2/3 of the way into Clones, though Kenobi is heard very early on. However, I’m going to be doing a lot of cutting of scenes and dialogue in which their names are heard, so it’d be better to have them already established using TPM material. And in TPM when Qui-Gon breaks off the fight with Maul and leaps aboard Amidala’s ship, he immediately introduces Anakin and Obi-Wan to each other; says their full names, so that’s a perfect intro.

On the other hand, do you think it would work to simply put their names in the opening crawl…?

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#1169723
Topic
Reedit "Super Series"
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MalàStrana said:
Oh… these titles… are all terrible 😃

Well, to each their own. I don’t presume they’re “great” - but then neither are most actual Star Wars episode titles, when you think about it. I don’t believe “terrible” is justified here.

I like DigMod’s title for his R1 edit: Rise of the Rebellion. Dawn of the Rebellion could also work.

See, personally those just don’t do it for me. 《Shrug》 Besides, in RO the Rebel Alliance already exists; RO is the story of a single mission, not the rise of the rebellion.

Ashes of the Republic [or] Twilight of the Republic could be great for your PT edit!

Those are good, I have to admit. Already paid $10 for a Rise of the Empire crawl, though, so I’m stickin’ with it. 😉 Here’s where I got the crawl:
https://brorlandi.github.io/StarWarsIntroCreator/

Besides, the very word empire is just “sexier” than republic, y’know?

Good luck with your edits 😉

Thanks.

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#1169721
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Reedit "Super Series"
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Thanks for the responses, guys.

OutboundFlight said:

Love the username. However . . .

For Rouge One you should remove the planet title cards,

You really need to stop saying “Rouge,” since I’m pretty sure RO wasn’t about makeup application. You use it repeatedly in your “7-in-1” thread too; drives me bonkers. ☺

(I will say, though, a Vader-centric mashup is in fact one of the best reedit concepts I’ve seen. I’ll look forward to watching it.)

No concern about my Ep2 titling, actually. It’ll have its own opening crawl with Episode II as part of the larger title. I’m also getting keen on having an opening scene, kind of a prologue, between “A long time ago . . .” and the STAR WARS fanfare. I think most, if not all, of these reedits will have that.

What is your plan for ANH and ESB?

For ANH I will–

  • start with Rogue One’s super-cool Vader scene as the prologue
  • cut the Lars household meal scene and replace it with the deleted scene of Biggs and Luke at Anchorhead (yes, I realize that footage is in poor condition but I simply find it more interesting; it’s similar to how most people prefer the “Donner Cut” of Superman II, despite the fact that previously unused footage isn’t on par with the rest)
  • Han shoots first (obviously!!)
  • no Jabba
  • cut the trash compactor scene (I find it boring now)
  • spice up the Obi-Vader duel

And for TESB:

  • Leia does NOT smooch Luke in the infirmary
  • no space slug; they remain hidden inside the asteroid until the Imperial garbage drop
  • slight alterations here and there to make it seem Luke’s on Dagobah for about a year - while the Falcon travels to Bespin at sublight speed over that same length of time

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#1169516
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Reedit "Super Series"
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Okay, so I’m gradually reediting the entire film series. Fortunately they don’t all need a lot of work! The episodes will run as follows:

  1. Rise of the Empire (Eps 1-3 mashup)
  2. “____________” (slight alteration of Rogue One)
  3. A New Hope
  4. The Empire Strikes Back
  5. Return of the Jedi (no Ewoks beating up Stormtroopers!)
  6. Heirs of the Force (Eps 7-8 mashup)

Any suggestions for the title of the new “Episode II”? Obviously Episode II: Rogue One sounds lame. The following possibilities occurred to me:

  • Rebels and Renegades
  • Rogues and Rebels
  • Knaves and Rebels
  • Brigade of Scoundrels / The Scoundrel Brigade / Rogue Brigade / Band of Rogues / Rogue Force
  • Agent Provocateur

I’m partial to something with “Rogues” in it, but am open to whatever.

I’m having a lot of fun mapping this out, because a group of us are gonna watch this “Super Series” later in the year with someone who’s never seen Star Wars before. So, I’m thinking Episodes 2-4 first (as per the reedit numbering) - then the prequel Episode I, explaining Darth Vader - then Eps 5-6. Gotta preserve the Big Reveal in The Empire Strikes Back!!

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#1169072
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Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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Hmm, yes, well, in an ideal world - that is, a world in which the prequels were actually well written (!!!) - I’d have a qualified agreement with you (more on that in a moment). That world doesn’t exist. The prequels as they stand are typically unliked or even loathed by a horde of Star Wars fans. If one wishes to reedit them in order to turn them into something enjoyable, one has to make do with the available material!

So, no, this reedit won’t be “impossible to pull off”; it just won’t turn out to be as substantial a story as you (and me as well) would prefer it to be. The objective here isn’t to turn the prequels into “what they should have been” - but simply to improve their watchability!

But more on the “influence character.” You’re being overly literal about it. There are all sorts of well-told stories that revolve entirely around a single character. What’s needed isn’t another character in the sense of a literal person - but simply a conflict in which the protagonist faces one or more challenges. And, well, obviously such challenges will present themselves to Obi-Wan in this reedit.

Such challenges function in the same way as what you call the “influence character,” without being literal persons.

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#1168073
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Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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Anakin Starkiller said:

You’d just need to provide an alternate backstory to Owen and Beru to explain why Luke is left in their care. Honestly, it makes more sense for them to be unrelated to Anakin, given that hiding him with his blood relatives isn’t really hiding him at all. I recommend making Beru Obi-Wan’s sister.

Fine idea, but how does one go about doing that in a reedit? Hmm, even as I was writing that it occurred to me that I can do a pretty good Yoda impression, and could possibly dub the line, “Your sister on Tatooine, perhaps,” with the camera on Obi-Wan.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I’m gonna go with that crawl but will likely drop the mention of Grievous. I just rewatched the opening scene of Revenge, and had forgot how cringe-worthy So many lines were.

So I’m going to cut the scene at Anakin’s beheading of Dooku. AND, I’ll have him do it all on his own with no prompting from Palpatine. In this reedit, Anakin’s just (a) a supporting character, and (b) a bad seed. One of Obi-Wan’s lines pretty much tells the tale: “His training has made him arrogant.”

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#1167151
Topic
Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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What do you guys think of this possible crawl for introducing the mashup…?

A shadow has fallen across the GALACTIC REPUBLIC: unrest fomented on dozens of worlds by the mysterious Count Dooku and his mercenary henchman, General Grievous.

JEDI KNIGHTS, the ancient guardians of interstellar peace and justice, have been dispersed across the galaxy to aid in negotiations. Two such agents, a master and his apprentice, are sent to the planet Naboo to escort Senator Amidala safely back to Coruscant, the capital world.

But first they must make a detour to arid Tatooine in order to collect a troubled boy whom they believe has great potential for Jedi training. Little do they know that they are being trailed by a SITH ASSASSIN. . . .

Question: Does Anakin’s homeworld have to be Tatooine? I don’t remember if this becomes a necessary factor somewhere else in the prequels.

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#1165030
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Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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lerenor said:

Been working on a three in one edit myself and been thinking a bit about this problem. Thinking maybe add some comms chatter voice-over to the opening battle? Sort of like how it’s been done in this video; https://youtu.be/hlecG3nYaLw
All you’d need is a line or two along the lines of ‘the Chancellor’s ship has fallen’,‘the Chancellor’s been taken prisoner!’ ‘all units converge on general grievous’ ship’ or something like that. You’d have to record new dialogue though and maybe find someone with a Kiwi accent hahah 😉

Friggin’ outstanding! Thanks for such a great (and easy) solution. I’m doing it!

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#1164809
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Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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doubleofive said:

I think him slaughtering Tusken Raiders is enough going dark for one long movie. It’s explaining what happened to Dooku that would be your problem.

In my version Anakin and Padme will never go to Tatooine. We won’t hear from them until Obi-Wan sends his alert from Geonosis. Throughout this reedit I’m treating Anakin as a supporting character; the story proper will focus on Obi-Wan’s personal experience of the Republic’s fall.

One thing that occurred to me today is to plant a semi-explanatory seed in the revised crawl, making Palpatine already the Republic’s chancellor, and mentioning that there’ve already been abduction attempts. Therefore later seeing him needing to be rescued (as far as the Jedi know) won’t be surprising.

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#1164750
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Palpatine's "Abduction" in an Eps 1-3 Mashup
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Hi, all. Working on my own mashup of Episodes 1-3, with only a single opening crawl. However, that leaves Palpatine’s faked abduction in the opening scene of Revenge unexplained. I’m tempted to nix the scene altogether - but like the way it shows Anakin “going dark” when he beheads Dooku.

Any suggestions . . . ?

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#1163963
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TFA-TLJ Mashup
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What follows are reedit possibilities I jotted down while rewatching The Force Awakens. I’m liking where this is heading, but always welcome feedback and new ideas.

STORY SETUP:

  • The Knights of Ren are the trigger: New Republic/Resistance leaders fear the rise of a counter-order of Dark Jedi – therefore enlisting Force-users becomes a top priority
  • Consider a prologue that immediately reveals Ahch-To, Luke, the Knights of Ren, and possibly Snoke’s first dialogue with Ren
  • Crawl: since Poe later says to Finn, “You completed my mission,” it should be mentioned in the crawl that Jakku is Poe’s last undercover stop

CUTS/ALTERATIONS TO TFA

  • Look for stormtrooper stuff to use as backstory for Finn (use training clips from Kurt Russell’s Soldier?)
  • Trim dialogue between Poe and the old man; don’t show him handing an object to Poe
  • Cut Poe removing drive from the bag when he gives it to BB-8
  • Cut Ren’s mention of the map when grilling the old man
  • Cut Ren’s line to Poe: “The old man gave it you.”
  • Cut interior of Rey’s Star Destroyer scavenging
  • Cut Rey’s cleaning of her wares
  • Cut Rey’s food prep; keep exterior AT-AT shot, cuz that’s when she discovers the droid
  • Cut Ren to Poe: “I didn’t know we had the best pilot in the Resistance onboard”
  • Could start with “Comfortable?” - but it might be possible to jump straight to Ren’s Force-probe of Poe’s mind
  • Keep Rey and droid going into the market - but cut her near-sale of the droid
  • Cut Poe’s mention of the map to Finn when they’re in the TIE fighter
  • Cut Ren to Hux: “I want that map. Get it.”
  • Market: Cut Finn’s mention of the map to Rey
  • Trim pauses in Finn and Rey’s fleeing from the FO troops
  • Cut Ren’s temper tantrum?
  • Trim Rey-Finn-Han dialogue to avoid “map to Luke Skywalker”
  • Cut the entire rathtar scene (Chewie’s blaster injury must likewise be omitted or obscured)
  • First Snoke scene: cut his mention of Luke Skywalker and “the last Jedi”; cut “your father” - can it be trimmed so that ONLY “your father” is omitted? (This could possibly also go into the Prologue)
  • Cut Han’s recounting of Luke and the Jedi; jump from Rey’s “I bypassed the compressor” to Han’s “You want my help? You’re gettin’ it”
  • Cut Han’s job offer to Rey
  • Cut Resistance informant: ''Alert the Resistance: their missing droid is here" (???)
  • Cut Ren’s “grandfather”
  • Cut Maaz’s “map to Luke Skywalker”
  • Enhance Rey’s Force-vision to imply she could be Han and Leia’s daughter
  • Maaz and Rey: cut Maaz’s mention of Luke’s lightsaber, because in the reedit nobody has previously talked to Rey about Luke Skywalker; cut Maaz’s mention of Rey’s parents “never coming back”; cut mention of Luke’s possible return (this whole exchange could be cut; just show Rey taking off in a panic)
  • Cut outsiders’ view of Coruscant being destroyed - how could they see it?
  • Cut Maaz encouraging Finn to use the lightsaber
  • Cut Han’s apparent unfamiliarity with the bowcaster
  • Cut Finn’s “That is one hell of a pilot!”
  • Cut Ren’s “The map - you’ve seen it”
  • Cut Ren’s “Forget the droid. We have what we need” (to Kylo, Rey is just another Force-user he can round up; if BB-8 contains Poe’s cataloguing of Force-users in multiple locations, then Kylo would still want the droid)
  • Trim Han-Leia reunion so that it seems they’re still together (actually their whole dialogue could be cut; just end it with them looking at each other)
  • Cut Resistance leaders talking about the map to Luke
  • Trim R2D2 scene to avoid mention of the map
  • Cut Han and Leia’s HQ dialogue? If not, severely trim it.
  • Trim Rey-Ren interrogation – or cut it altogether; don’t want Ren’s helmet off; don’t want him mentioning Han as a father-figure (Can I insert Luke meditating here?)
  • Cut entire second Snoke scene?
  • Insert Luke meditating ahead of Rey’s escape?? - Would imply that he’s reaching out to her and in fact is the one who set her free (this way she’s not so much of a “Mary Sue”)
  • Trim or cut Han and Leia’s pre-mission dialogue
  • Cut Rey skulking through the base (???)
  • Cut Finn to Han: “Why are doing this?” (the up-nod)
  • Cut pilot’s “Watch out for ground fire”
  • Closeup of Rey when Han dies
  • When Ren appears in the woods, can I use the trailer clip of him lighting his saber
  • Cut short Finn’s attempt to fight Ren
  • Cut short Rey’s attempt to fight Ren (but this has to be timed with the destabilization of the planet): they’re about to duel but then the quake hits and they’re separated
  • Cut or crop Leia’s ignoring Chewie
  • Cut all discussion of locating Luke
  • Last scene flows directly into first Ahch-To scene of TLJ

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#1162115
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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Anakin Starkiller said:

I’d say have it be a map to the first Jedi Temple, which Luke had been looking for when he disappeared. That way instead of the map literally being a record of Luke’s journey, the map leads to the place where the Resistance had logically deduced Luke would be.

In defense of AS, I think what he means is that a possible TFA reedit should only mention the temple, rather than have the map lead people to Luke himself.

However, if no one has any objections (and I’m very open to them), I’ll pursue the “covert agents tracking down Force-users” angle.

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#1161700
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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I think I’ve got it! Yeah, BB-8’s still carrying a map, but it’s simply a map Poe’s been using to track and catalogue Force-users. If he’s working undercover in First Order territory to find Force-users and get them to the Resistance, then BB-8 could store his data for that mission. This way I could retain mentions of a “map” in TFA, but cut mentions of Luke himself being connected to said map.

This, then, shapes a new opening crawl: something to the effect of "The New Republic seeks to spirit Force-users out of First Order territory. Covert operatve Dameron Poe finds himself on Jakku at the same time as Imperial agents in pursuit of a young woman said by locals to possess ‘magical powers.’ "

Not necessarily worded that way, but you get the drift.

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#1159970
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The Sequel Trilogy complete redux
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Jake Skywalker said:
What I meant was that ROTS ends with the Empire established, Vader “born”, Obi-Wan in hiding, and so on. And we find the same situation at the opening of ANH: Luke and Leia are grown ups, Obi-Wan is older, but the setting is the same, that’s the natural evolution of the situation we saw at the end of ROTS.
And we should have seen something similar between the OT and the ST. Instead we discover that too much has happened between the movies and the situation at the beginning of TFA is the opposite of the one at the end of ROTJ.

I understood your point and completely agree! There’s a natural progression, plotwise - despite the interior problems of the prequels - from Episode III to EpIV. But from EpVI to VII, there isn’t.

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#1159497
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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Thanks, all of you! You guys all zeroed in the key thing: what to do with BB-8. The larger issue is that, in these films, Luke has purposely hidden away on Ahch-To; I don’t want “my” Luke behaving that way, if I can avoid it. But secondly, even if we grant that premise insofar as Luke’s character development goes - who made the map and why??? Even in TFA’s own context that doesn’t make sense.

Hmm, what if either (a) BB-8 simply escapes, with the goal of hooking back up with the Resistance and reporting on the failed mission; or (b) Poe sends BB-8 to find the local Jakku Force-user?

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#1158662
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Eliminating the Map MacGuffin in TFA
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Hi, gang. I’m planning a TFA-TLJ mashup, but I want an alternate reason for Kylo, Poe, and Rey to all be on Jakku at the beginning. I never liked the notion of a secret map to Luke. Any suggestions? Could it be as simple as both the First Order and the Resistance actively seeking Force-users?

Thanks in advance.

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