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DominicCobb

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#1047232
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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I’ve always wanted to go since I was a kid. Someday, if it’s close enough by (or if I have money enough to travel) I will absolutely go.

Wish it was going to be in Anaheim this year instead of 2015 because I could probably do that.

Shame too because I’m sure there’ll be amazing stuff for the 40th.

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#1047119
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Tyrphanax said:

DominicCobb said:

If a majority isn’t a majority then what is it?

What if, in your scenario, millions lived in that one city and the boonies, all put together, amounted to a dozen, total. What gives those people more of a voice than a dozen in the city? Just because people live in a city, doesn’t mean they all think alike or want the same things.

If the people want a cat, they’ll elect a cat. Whether there’s an electoral college system in place wouldn’t change that. There’s nothing about cats that’s going to make everybody in the cities vote for it and no one in the boonies.

Yes there are more liberals in the cities, but if liberal candidates started pandering to only those in the cities they would lose a lot of other votes fast. As is, we have conservative candidates who don’t consider those in cities at all because they don’t have to (well besides corporate fat cats). Our current system gears elections to a small amount of states, not the whole country. Why should people in the rust belt and Florida have control over the country?

Yeah, but how does a straight popular vote not just do the same thing? Why focus on some podunk state in the Midwest when you can just win the most populous states (which would be the ones with the largest liberal metros) and take the election? Again, the idea behind the electoral college was to make candidates focus on the whole country and not just the most populous states, and to make voter fraud more difficult.

I just worry about a majority dictating terms to a minority is all. It’s the old “two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner” adage. We have checks and balances all over government and going with a straight popular vote does away with that entirely.

I’m not saying the electoral college is a perfect system at all, and there are definitely ways to modernize it and bring it up to code, it’s just that I feel that it was put in place for a reason and that I believe it more or less serves that purpose. I also reject NPV as subversive of the constitution verging on fraud.

States aren’t a hive mind though. There’s no such thing as focusing on the most populace states alone. There are voters in New York State who vote a lot closer to those in North Dakota than NYC.

The EC was put in place because of the North/South dichotomy where there were clear divisions between the wants and needs of Northern and Southern states. We don’t live in a country anymore where different states have wildly different make ups and concerns. Two thirds of the country isn’t going to eat the other third, that’s just not going to happen. But when the EC was put in place, the North fucking the South over was a legitimate concern (and it still happened anyway, if you ask the South why they seceded). What happens with policy now affects every state, and every voter.

I just don’t see how this boogeyman hypothetical of a popularly elected president a thing.

There’s already state governments and Congress in place to ensure the individual states get what they need. But at the end of the day we’re supposed to be a democratic nation so everyone should get a say. As is my vote means diddly fucking squat.

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#1047035
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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If a majority isn’t a majority then what is it?

What if, in your scenario, millions lived in that one city and the boonies, all put together, amounted to a dozen, total. What gives those people more of a voice than a dozen in the city? Just because people live in a city, doesn’t mean they all think alike or want the same things.

If the people want a cat, they’ll elect a cat. Whether there’s an electoral college system in place wouldn’t change that. There’s nothing about cats that’s going to make everybody in the cities vote for it and no one in the boonies.

Yes there are more liberals in the cities, but if liberal candidates started pandering to only those in the cities they would lose a lot of other votes fast. As is, we have conservative candidates who don’t consider those in cities at all because they don’t have to (well besides corporate fat cats). Our current system gears elections to a small amount of states, not the whole country. Why should people in the rust belt and Florida have control over the country?

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#1046917
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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I don’t have a problem with the way Congress is set up. States should have a voice. But the House districting is fucked and the electoral college is archaic.

I’m not saying it’s impossible Democrats to win the EC, obviously that’s not true, I’m just saying they are at a distinct disadvantage. Obama had a greater share of non-educated whites than Clinton, a demo that lead to Trump’s victory (a 100,000 vote margin). On the other hand Clinton had more college educated whites, but they were spread out amongst a number of states, blue and red, which didn’t help any. This is the way the parties are shifting, and while I do believe Dems will get an EC victory in 2020, there’s no mistaking the disadvantage they’re at.

Your solution makes sense but is ultimately just an unnecessary substitute for the real deal: the popular vote.

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#1046903
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

DominicCobb said:

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

  1. Bringing up the election that he lost.

As much as I wish he had lost, he didn’t.

Lost is a point of view that is factually accurate if not technically. The American people didn’t vote for him, our broken and unfair system did.

broken is also a point of view. Some actually like our electoral college system. They do have point. With our current system it is possible for the more populated areas of the country to control the entire country. I am not saying it shouldn’t be changed, but the other side does have a point.

That’s not true. You can’t win an election with just the cities. Democrats have lost the popular vote before.

Either way, the population is the population. People shouldn’t have less of a voice because they live near other people. Gubernatorial races have no problem using the popular vote. Other democratic countries have no problem using the popular vote.

Republicans have an unfair advantage because they live in more sparsely populated areas. This already helps them in the Senate, and with gerrymandering and urban clustering they have taken the House. Democrats are just fucked, regardless of whether the majority of the country sides with them or not. That isn’t democracy. That’s a broken system. We’re living where the opposite of what you said is true - that the less populated areas control the country. Where you live shouldn’t matter. What should is your vote.

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#1046898
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Random Thoughts
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doubleofive said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

I used to be able to watch five-to-seven feature-length films every day, one right after the other. I don’t know how I ever managed to accomplish that; these days, I get tired watching two movies in a row.

Ah, to be young again.

I can’t even think of 5-7 movies I’d want to watch in a day.

I can think of a good 5 movie marathon now and a good 7 movie one come about 2019 or so.

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#1046892
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Yes let’s start getting mad now about a movie that won’t come out for another 11 months! And let’s get even madder that all we know are little bits of information about ships and nothing about unimportant stuff like plot or characters! Who needs that when you have baseless rumors about inconsequential things?