You do all realize he’s just trolling I hope. There’s gotta be a tweet reply out there along the lines of, “you never saw The Day After Tomorrow, did you?”
The President has a lot more important things to do than troll on twitter.
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Is this movie still really set for release in May? And all we have is a possibly fake promo image? At this point, I’m not sure I’m going to believe this movie is a real thing that exists until the credits roll.
There was some leaked pics and video from the set earlier this year.
Are they leaked if they were tweeted out by the director?
Another criticism is the tonal problems. The prequels had the same problems with tone. Really not even considering the gravity of certain moments and jumping straight to buffoonery or bathroom jokes. There is a lot of that in TLJ and also talk about how bad the Jedi are.
Honestly this movie felt like an homage to the prequels and was even worse than them. TFA was at least much better.
The only reason jokes were a tonal problem in the PT was because they were aimed squarely at children, although they were not necessarily things children actually found funny. TLJ just makes normal jokes, and they’re funny jokes. PT jokes aren’t jokes, they’re Lucas’s approximation of jokes. So they’re not funny and don’t fit in at all.
I disagree with this. Comedy and tone are different. Maybe they are sometimes related I guess. But comedy is more subjective. If you think something is funny who can argue you with you? For me, I didn’t find almost anything in this movie funny and it didn’t feel like Star Wars humor either. I’ve seen a lot of people agree.
But tone is more objective. It’s not really about whether something is aimed at children. RLM had some great examples in their prequel criticism videos. I wonder if they will do the same on this movie. It really did feel like watching Attack of the Clones to me.
You misunderstand me a bit.
I think it is possible to achieve a proper tonal balance between drama and comedy. I believe TLJ achieves that balance (not just because the simple fact that the jokes are funny, but because they are well integrated and feel true to the characters and situations, which makes them funny). I do not think the PT does, because I believe the humor is forced in, almost an afterthought, designed to get kids to laugh. That is why the tonal mishaps take place.
I also think the humor in TLJ functions as a sort of release valve for audience tension. Without the jokes the film would be exhausting.
Exactly.
And don’t forget, a lot of those one liners were written by Carrie Fisher. And it isn’t as if the OT doesn’t have any comedy in it so I really don’t know what the complaint is.
Yeah, Rian said that Carrie went through the script with him and suggested a lot of one liners. He said she was particularly fond of word play. I feel like it’s entirely possible she came up with “General Hugs.”
It’ll be very interesting when all is said and done to find out what the total production costs were and how much exactly was reshot (sounds like it could have been around 80% of the film).
I guess they’re just hoping that the reshoots will have served to make a good film, and that that will be the best chance of it turning a profit.
Another criticism is the tonal problems. The prequels had the same problems with tone. Really not even considering the gravity of certain moments and jumping straight to buffoonery or bathroom jokes. There is a lot of that in TLJ and also talk about how bad the Jedi are.
Honestly this movie felt like an homage to the prequels and was even worse than them. TFA was at least much better.
The only reason jokes were a tonal problem in the PT was because they were aimed squarely at children, although they were not necessarily things children actually found funny. TLJ just makes normal jokes, and they’re funny jokes. PT jokes aren’t jokes, they’re Lucas’s approximation of jokes. So they’re not funny and don’t fit in at all.
I disagree with this. Comedy and tone are different. Maybe they are sometimes related I guess. But comedy is more subjective. If you think something is funny who can argue you with you? For me, I didn’t find almost anything in this movie funny and it didn’t feel like Star Wars humor either. I’ve seen a lot of people agree.
But tone is more objective. It’s not really about whether something is aimed at children. RLM had some great examples in their prequel criticism videos. I wonder if they will do the same on this movie. It really did feel like watching Attack of the Clones to me.
You misunderstand me a bit.
I think it is possible to achieve a proper tonal balance between drama and comedy. I believe TLJ achieves that balance (not just because the simple fact that the jokes are funny, but because they are well integrated and feel true to the characters and situations, which makes them funny). I do not think the PT does, because I believe the humor is forced in, almost an afterthought, designed to get kids to laugh. That is why the tonal mishaps take place.
I also think the humor in TLJ functions as a sort of release valve for audience tension. Without the jokes the film would be exhausting.
Exactly.
I feel like if they were going to push it back, they would have done so already.
The thing about a Star Wars movie is a think you don’t really need that much advertisement to sell it. Maybe they are hoping they can save some advertising bucks considering how much they probably spent on production. Plus they want to give TLJ it’s time to shine.
Another criticism is the tonal problems. The prequels had the same problems with tone. Really not even considering the gravity of certain moments and jumping straight to buffoonery or bathroom jokes. There is a lot of that in TLJ and also talk about how bad the Jedi are.
Honestly this movie felt like an homage to the prequels and was even worse than them. TFA was at least much better.
The only reason jokes were a tonal problem in the PT was because they were aimed squarely at children, although they were not necessarily things children actually found funny. TLJ just makes normal jokes, and they’re funny jokes. PT jokes aren’t jokes, they’re Lucas’s approximation of jokes. So they’re not funny and don’t fit in at all.
You do all realize he’s just trolling I hope. There’s gotta be a tweet reply out there along the lines of, “you never saw The Day After Tomorrow, did you?”
You hope wrong.
That’s a “sheesh” of agreement, yes?
This meme or whatever you call it is dumb. Obi-Wan didn’t tell Luke: “hey you’re Dad was an asshole and the Jedi deserve to die.” Yoda never told Luke: “there is no dark side or light side. the jedi were arrogant and wrong”.
The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels. Mental gymnastics and totally ignoring the spirit of the original movies. But hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!
If that is your attitude - then why are you here? To bait or antaognise those on here that do like these films? If so your stay here is going to be a short one.
I can’t see any reason you would threaten me except you don’t like my point of view. I wasn’t aware that was against the rules.
Trolling/baiting other members isn’t looked upon so kindly here. And it’s clearly what you were doing:
The people who defend these ST movies are no different than the people who defend the prequels… hey look it’s Darth Mual with his cool double bladed lightsaber. Er…I mean look it’s Porgs and Kylo Ren with a saber handle! It’s Star Wars duh!
The scene at the end of TFA is from Rey’s perspective. So it’s epic and momentous - here’s me offering this legendary lightsaber to this legendary person to ask him to save the galaxy. Whatever happens after that doesn’t change the emotion of that moment.
In TLJ, we get a twist on it by seeing how Luke really feels about the “legendary” label. And Luke talks about his feelings about being a legend later in the film - the label is a burden, it caused him great pressure and great shame - it is the reason he has brought himself into exile. In that moment, he’s thinking that that lightsaber brought him terrible emotional and physical pain (remember the last time he saw it?). He doesn’t respect the saber in the way Rey does, he rejects it. Tossing the saber instantly establishes Luke’s feelings about the Jedi and his legendary status (i.e. no thanks).
But that’s okay. That’s just where Luke is at the start of the film. It’s part of his journey here, to coming back around to understanding that he needs to pick up the saber and act once again, to be the legend the galaxy needs. This, by the way, is why he uses that blue saber at the end.
You do realize that if he simply tossed it to the side gently it would be much easier for people to accept it right? The problem is how he comically tossed the lightsaber over his shoulder. The execution was terrible for being the payoff of such a powerful scene in TFA. I, for example, waited 2 years to specifically watch that scene and BAM SNL material right there.
I don’t know what to say except I disagree. I think tossing it gently wouldn’t have the same impact. You need to have the whole throw it over the shoulder thing to show how big the gap is between what Rey wants and what Luke is willing to do at this point. If Luke just politely pushed her aside and said “no thanks,” then the conflict there wouldn’t be nearly as strong.
As for “SNL material”? I don’t even know what to say. It’s a funny scene, it made me laugh. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. Just because there’s humor doesn’t make it “SNL,” especially if that humor is used to define who that character is in this moment.
Also the face Luke makes at the end of TFA makes no sense anymore.
I don’t really see how that’s the case.
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Total dumb fuck.
The scene at the end of TFA is from Rey’s perspective. So it’s epic and momentous - here’s me offering this legendary lightsaber to this legendary person to ask him to save the galaxy. Whatever happens after that doesn’t change the emotion of that moment.
In TLJ, we get a twist on it by seeing how Luke really feels about the “legendary” label. And Luke talks about his feelings about being a legend later in the film - the label is a burden, it caused him great pressure and great shame - it is the reason he has brought himself into exile. In that moment, he’s thinking that that lightsaber brought him terrible emotional and physical pain (remember the last time he saw it?). He doesn’t respect the saber in the way Rey does, he rejects it. Tossing the saber instantly establishes Luke’s feelings about the Jedi and his legendary status (i.e. no thanks).
But that’s okay. That’s just where Luke is at the start of the film. It’s part of his journey here, to coming back around to understanding that he needs to pick up the saber and act once again, to be the legend the galaxy needs. This, by the way, is why he uses that blue saber at the end.
This is the first time Chewbacca has looked like Chewbacca since ROTJ!
Hey, someone else who thinks he looked weird in TFA and TLJ!
He was a little off in TFA, but isn’t his appearance in TLJ exactly the same as this? Looks the same to me, anyway.
Exactly.
Exactly.
I go to the theaters about once a week. It is never that bad.
I don’t know if those promo images will indeed prove to show legit versions of young Lando’s haircut and the Falcon’s re-design, or not…but I just hope that any ‘whooping’ and ‘hollering’ by the leads will be kept to a minimum in this…
But there should at least be some, no?
It’s not the movies fault that you missed an important detail.
I missed it cause it isn’t there.
Uhh, what?
the important detail(s) explaining what Luke was doing and whatnot. It wasn’t there.
It was clearly shown that he did not interact with the salt.
EDIT: Not sure about the image policy, so I’ll just put them in quotes and pretend that it makes a difference.
Kylo:
Luke:
Maybe some people are super duper observant, but that’s a detail which I doubt many people noticed. And frankly, it isn’t an important detail. It was a nice touch but that’s it.
I agree, but it is there. Regardless, it doesn’t matter, because it doesn’t need an explanation in the first place.
There were no real lightsaber fights.
Yeah. Good.
Thank you for reminding about this (it’s been ages since I last touched that book).
The lava planet scene is bad.
I was never a fan of Mustafar, true. In my head-canon I believe this was just a Sith temple (a contrary to Jedha) and his “bunker-castle” is elsewhere and looks just as depicted by McQuarrie.
The lava planet scene isn’t bad because the lava planet is bad. In fact, that might be the only good part about it.
He was less bulky than Prowse-in-suit, agreed, but I don’t find it glaring (just like I didn’t count how many inches is G.Henry taller than P.Cushing).
His bulkiness (or lack thereof) is not why he isn’t convincing.
Mark’s Down On Your Syntax said:
So, a few people complained about the absence of sound in a certain scene in TLJ and a couple of signs were put up as result - I know this is the spoiler thread but this article here contains a spoiler so be warned! -
I can understand some people being confused by an artistic use of silence but to actually go and complain and then for the cinema to put a sign up to “warn” viewers about how it’s a deliberate artistic choice and not a technical error? Baffling, and actually makes me feel a wee bit angry!
I read somewhere that that was actually a note they sent to theaters to warn the projectionists, not the movie goers, and AMC displayed it for everyone by mistake, which then caused people to assume that viewers were complaining about the scene.
That sucks.
There was a showing at the theater I went to (at the exact same time as mine!) where the sound didn’t work, and people got pretty rightfully pissed because they wouldn’t restart the movie. Theater’s solution? Call the cops.
Also, just a general tip, movie theaters will generally give you a free movie pass if you have a complaint (even if the complaint isn’t that big a deal).
Rey’s parents can still be potential nobodies who abandoned her for unknown reasons on a planet even former farmboys from Tatooine think sucks. 😉
You mean you think he was just lying about them being dead? I think that’s possible.
I guess call me crazy but I just legitimately don’t understand the “lack of cohesion” complaints. The two films are different, sure, but not anymore so than a second part should be. I feel like the ST is well on it’s way to being a very cohesive set of films telling one story across three films.
I think, for example, the difference between TFA and TLJ is far less drastic than, say, the difference between Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. And I think it’s about on par with the differences between the original Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back (this is something that can be really hard to wrap your head around if you only ever knew them together - I can attest to this from experience).
Yes. If Kylo would have lied to her, he wouldn’t have said that she already knows it and then be surprised that she didn’t.
I don’t buy that her parents are dead and buried on Jakku. Why did she have this flashback in the middle of her experiecning visions after touching Luke’s saber in TFA? It’s the only thing she recognizes and has nothing (seemingly) to do with Luke.
Honestly, I think it’s just because the trilogy wasn’t planned out. JJ thought that Rey’s parents should be important, Rian felt differently.
I disagree, the trilogy definitely wasn’t planned out but I think all evidence points to JJ having the “nobody” thing in mind.
Since I don’t feel like going over it again, this is my take on the TFA force back (I should repost myself more to save my sanity):
I’m not saying the “force back” as they call it is perfectly done. I think it’s a little messy and lacks a solid flow. But I have no problem with what it represents - the force. The light, and the dark. The ship leaving Jakku is part of the dark side, tapping into Rey’s fears of abandonment and isolation. TLJ makes this connection explicit.
