Disco_Lobot

I actually really like a lot of the clone designs and equipment, but the droids are mostly somewhere between forgettable to bad (other than the droidekas… which are cool). The Jedi fighters (and ARC-170s) are pretty sweet.

All those “flying cars” on Coruscant are god awful… they look like something out of a cartoon

I always like the Trade Federation battle ships… and some of the other separatist capital ships are cool, but pretty much all the droid fighters suck.

dahmage said:

Disco_Lobot said:

TV’s Frink said:

I have Plex. My wife really loves when I get up three or four times during a movie to fix the screwed-up stream.

Ha I probably should have added that I had like 20 Cat 5E drops put in my house when we built it… so I have direct gigabit ethernet to every single TV in my house… I don’t even have to transcode (not even for the huge 22 GB verions of SW). (I also have a 24 TB SAN in my basement… I’m a bit of a techie)

Yeah over wifi you probably need to reduce your transcode quality a bit if your stream is getting screwed up.

are you my doppelganger? I have Cat 6A wired through our whole house, but i didn’t have the luxury of doing it when it was built. I spent over a year rewiring all the electric to replace knob and tube, and added ethernet at the same time. Wires over wireless, and disc over streaming. :p

Nice - I did my last house (I got pretty good with Fish tape!)… but this one we built new so I had them wire it during the build and drop everything to the basement where I have my 48 port cisco switch 😃

The only bad part is the power bill!

TV’s Frink said:

I have Plex. My wife really loves when I get up three or four times during a movie to fix the screwed-up stream.

Ha I probably should have added that I had like 20 Cat 5E drops put in my house when we built it… so I have direct gigabit ethernet to every single TV in my house… I don’t even have to transcode (not even for the huge 22 GB verions of SW). (I also have a 24 TB SAN in my basement… I’m a bit of a techie)

Yeah over wifi you probably need to reduce your transcode quality a bit if your stream is getting screwed up.

You guys need Plex… Blu Rays!!! Get with the times 😃

dahmage said:

How many of you have done a Rogue One - A New Hope back-to-back viewing? I very much want to do so sometime in May if i can find the time, but i am curious if those who have done so think it is worth it? (watching a movie is pretty easy to find time for, but watching two in a row takes a bit more ‘convincing’).

It’s awesome… but then again I work at home (when I’m not visiting clients and prospects) so I just throw on movies when I’m doing non conference call/webex work… so I have lots of time to have movies on in the background.

This is a bit OT, but I don’t necessarily think Lucas lazy in all aspects as a film creator. But I think it’s very, very obvious that they didn’t do enough takes in parts of ROTJ and especially in the PT. There are countless scenes where I was like “Um, that was the best take you could get? Really?”

I do wonder if this was because Lucas had bad experiences going over budget on both ANH and TESB (IIRC those were the only 2 Lucas SW films that went over budget) and he made do with less takes in future films as a way to save money. I’ve also read that (esp in the PT) he was (IMO overly) confident that he could just fix things in post.

I mean it’s probably not a total coincidence that most consider TESB the best Star Wars film and that was the film where the director did by far the most takes in a strive for perfection.

Alderaan said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Maybe I wasn’t been clear… I actually don’t give a shit about rules for “active/passive protagonists”… I only care if a movie is good or not.

I thought Rogue One was awesome and could care less whether it followed some made up rules for screenwriting or not.

Those “rules” are what makes a movie good though. They aren’t arbitrary.

Well I guess TFA and Rogue One must have followed them since by all ways we have to measure critical and audience reaction the films are considered very good to great.

I’m being a bit tongue in cheek; there are definitely guidelines that I think can help many screenplays be more successful… but they aren’t nearly as important as you make them out to be. A compelling story and characters are far more important. You can follow every rule in the book but you will still fail with out a compelling story and/or characters

One could pretty effectively argue that TESB breaks by far the most “screenwriting rules” of the OT films… and it’s easily (IMO) the best

NeverarGreat said:

Disco_Lobot said:

NeverarGreat said:

Disco_Lobot said:

darthrush said:

Best video I have ever seen when it comes to the dissection of the new disney films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIQa7sH5_Y

By his standard Ripley and Sarah Connor are passive protagonists

Both of those protagonists’ first films were on the horror side of Sci-fi, which is all about having things happen to them until they take action to defeat the threat.

It’s notable that their second films (Terminator 2 and Aliens) are much more conventional action films, allowing the protagonists to be very active.

Come on, that’s just special pleading. There are countless movies where things happen to the protagonist that they have no control over. All that matters is whether it’s well done or not. I mean think mow many origin stories involve something happening to the protagonist that serves as an inspiration for later action. Heck, Luke Skywalker was pretty damn passive until his parents got incinerated.

I don’t think the guy was trying to hate on anything, but some of his points were just silly.

Luke is passive for much of the runtime of Star Wars, but he’s still an active protagonist. There are really only 2 major actions that he takes without coercion: rescuing the princess and joining the Rebellion. However, these two actions drive the last half of the film, and that’s the point. There are often limited opportunities for the protagonist to take action, so those few actions must be consequential, and in Star Wars, they are.

In Alien, Ripley is in command throughout the second half of the film and continually drives the plot through her decisions (learning about the Company’s plans, confronting Ash, deciding to abandon ship, and most importantly overcoming her fear and using ingenuity to defeat the alien at the end). And it’s not special pleading to say that this is a horror film, since almost all horror films are designed so that the antagonist has the upper hand with the hero on the defensive for most of the runtime. The same can be said for Terminator.

With regards to Jyn and Rey, they are often passive protagonists because the few active character moments they share do not drive the remaining action, at least in the case of Rey. Jyn’s (somewhat confused) decision to get the Death Star plans galvanizes the entire Rebellion into action, which is a very active role but a bit late in the story. She really needed a decision in the 2nd act which was more impactful to the plot, like Luke’s rescue of Leia. In the case of TFA, Finn takes the active role in rescuing Rey and becomes the protagonist for almost the entire Starkiller plot, at least until Rey retrieves the lightsaber. I do not count her mind trick, since although it is an active choice, it doesn’t drive the plot - Finn could have almost as easily rescued her and arrived at the same place.

Maybe I wasn’t been clear… I actually don’t give a shit about rules for “active/passive protagonists”… I only care if a movie is good or not.

I thought Rogue One was awesome and could care less whether it followed some made up rules for screenwriting or not.

The Force Awakens actually followed those rules more, yet it was quite a bit worse IMO.

Chlorine said:

Disco_Lobot said:

Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.

Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL

Do you guys even watch the movies?
The Sifo-Dyas complaint is one of the more baffling ones.

Obi-Wan says to Mace and Yoda that Sifo-Dyas supposedly ordered the army. Mace and Yoda exchange dark looks. Obi-Wan then says that he was under the impression that Sifo-Dyas had died before the date the army was commissioned. That lets us in on what Mace’s concerned look was about. Sifo-Dyas died before that date, so Mace says that whoever placed the order did not have the authorization of the Jedi council.

Then of course Obi-Wan is captured and learns who made the army by following Jango. Yoda has already left for Kamino though so he can’t tell him.

Then the ending scene with the three of them in the council chamber.
Obi- "I have to admit that without the clones it would not have been a victory."
Yoda- “No, not victory. The shroud of the dark side has fallen. Begun, the clone war has”.

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They know that Sifo-Dyas was a fake name used by Dooku. But it’s the clone army or no army. Either they fight this war, or just roll over for the Sith.

I did what the film (several times in fact). I think you were reading WAY too much into my comment. Some of what you posted was inferred… but it’s not as clear cut as you make out. We don’t actually know for sure that Dooku impersonated Sifo-Dyas and we don’t know exactly when it started if he did.

Honestly, it’s not a huge deal… I was more just poking fun because Lucas said we’d get more explanation in ROTS and well, we never did. AOTC has plenty of gaping plot-holes without picking on the Sifo-Dyas thing

SilverWook said:

Aunt and uncle you mean. Technically his parents did get incinerated, but he wouldn’t know about that. 😉

HA!.. yes definitely typed that one out too fast 😃

NeverarGreat said:

Disco_Lobot said:

darthrush said:

Best video I have ever seen when it comes to the dissection of the new disney films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIQa7sH5_Y

By his standard Ripley and Sarah Connor are passive protagonists

Both of those protagonists’ first films were on the horror side of Sci-fi, which is all about having things happen to them until they take action to defeat the threat.

It’s notable that their second films (Terminator 2 and Aliens) are much more conventional action films, allowing the protagonists to be very active.

Come on, that’s just special pleading. There are countless movies where things happen to the protagonist that they have no control over. All that matters is whether it’s well done or not. I mean think mow many origin stories involve something happening to the protagonist that serves as an inspiration for later action. Heck, Luke Skywalker was pretty damn passive until his EDIT: Aunt and Uncle got incinerated.

I don’t think the guy was trying to hate on anything, but some of his points were just silly.

Meh - there was a “sort of” explanation… I think it was probably fine given the topic to leave it kind of vague.

Whatever happened to that Sifo-Dyas explanation btw? LOL

DuracellEnergizer said:

Most of the Internet sucks.

More generally humans suck

darthrush said:

Best video I have ever seen when it comes to the dissection of the new disney films.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIQa7sH5_Y

By his standard Ripley and Sarah Connor are passive protagonists

MalàStrana said:

SilverWook said:

They’re charging for that stuff? Who do they think they are, Rifftrax? 😉

1$ if you want to keep a copy; free if you just want to listen to it.

@Disco_Lobot : you should stop insulting people by the way. Especially for a 1-week newb around here.

LOL - I was just trying to fit in… Honestly that was a pretty tame insult for this board from what I’ve read so far.

I guess I’ll have to keep working on my post count. Maybe sometime I’ll get a “vet” badge

Some of RLM’s PT criticism was on the nose… but they are just not funny. Their TPM video would be 10x better if it was 50% shorter.

But please, tell us more about how AOTC is better than Rogue One… LOL

MalàStrana said:

Oh gosh it’s so great 😄

https://redlettermedia.bandcamp.com/track/star-wars-rogue-one-a-star-wars-story-commentary-track

(Rogue One: A Prequel Story 😉)

I wonder if anyone is actually stupid enough to pay them for that

Dickhead

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/2532/133225-116266-ki-adi-mundi.jpg

Jeebus said:

I despise the Jabba’s place sequence.

You don’t like Luke slaughtering Jabba’s whole guard staff and then destroying the sail barge… .which not only had all Jabba’s buddies on it… but bartenders, waitresses and other staff.

Man - that’s kind of messed up really 😃

Avatar was actually pretty awesome as a 3D experience in the theater.

As a 2D movie? It’s pretty meh

lovelikewinter said:

I was reading up on the Legacy 4K Scan and I’m wondering why Lucasfilm is so afraid of it. They let Despecialized and Silver Screen have free reign. Hundreds of copies sold on ebay. But Verta was told point blank if it gets out, they will go after him.

My understanding is that it has to do with how he got the source material… very different situation supposedly

TV’s Frink said:

My nine and six year old girls also love Rey. Although some days they say Rey is their favorite, other days it’s Yoda.

Haven’t let them watch RO yet.

Ha - I actually have 2 girls (7 and 4) and they watched Rogue One with me in the theater.

I have a 7 year old daughter who has spent a lot of time running around in her Rey costume with her lightsaber over the last year.

She loves Rey (and Jyn)

LOL… yes, a movie about space wizards only having the original version available in lower quality versions is exactly like destroying art that is 1000 years old and murdering people.

LOL… I guess the PT nuts are actually right about at least 1 OT fanboy

darth_ender said:

Jeebus said:

Amano said:

Jeebus said:
He’s a Kaleesh that was transformed into a cyborg. Pretty much the only parts that remain of his original body are his eyes, brain, and the rest of his organs.

OK. Basically another Vader with more stuff damaged/replaced. Since the lung obviously doesn’t work properly either, I would have replaced that as well.

If the lung itself is the force bearer that might be the reason to keep it.

Silly, but… well.

He’s not force sensitive, so that’s a good point. It’s clear the lung wasn’t working correctly, so they should’ve replaced it.

Why even keep the lungs if he can clearly survive in space without them?

Thanks for reminding me how incredibly stupid the fact that Grevious can survive in space despite the fact he coughs all the time is.

come on now - this is epic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-Y6YfDBmh8