The yellow and black danger lines above the glasses on the helmet are in opposite directions from each other.
Looks really, really great, Darth Venal!
~ Darth Plagueis
That's strange. The only PM i've had came from negative1 and dates from august 14th... that's the last one.
Really strange. Perhaps one of the mods could check this out for me please? I must say I was expecting some replies to PM's i've sent recently, and none came through.
Maybe you have to make sure the right letters are uppercase. So you'll have to type DarthPlagueis instead of darthplagueis. Can that be the solution?
Please, if I didn't get your messages... send them again, if possible.
And Puggo, very sorry for the inconvenience. As you see I didn't get your message so I couldn't read it. I guess our little misunderstanding has been sorted out, then? You don't have to resend your message as I now get the point. (Except for if something else was in it that you wanted to let me know)
EDIT: I was still writing my original post when you edited yours. Yeah, I didn't get any message. Perhaps the uppercase problem? I don't know. But anyway, apology accepted, captain Puggo. I hope I didn't come off too rude either... Not my intention.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:DarthPlagueis said:
I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it,..........if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me
And I don't know if YOU even read MY response to the last time you said this...
I have read all posts made since I made this remark, and there certainly wasn't any response coming from you to anything I've said. If there was - which would prove I'm blind lol - please prove me wrong.
But since I'm quite certain there isn't any, I don't see any reason why you'd be so ... rude? I'm not offended, but please do not post these things without any thing to base it on.
the problem is not what to do with the scanned prints. The problem is getting the prints scanned in the first place. Have you read any of the preceding thread?
I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to read every thread from the first to the last page until I reply to it. If I would need to do this before replying to for example the Adywan Empire Revisited thread that would mean I'd have to read about 500 pages of information before being able to add my voice to the conversation. Sorry to disappoint but I just don't have the time to do that. I'm very sorry to disappoint if you expect otherwise.
I did do a quick skim through and I seemingly overlooked the fact negative1 didn't own the means to digitize these prints himself. I really was under the impression that he owned a TC machine. I was wrong and I admit it.
No offense meant and no offense taken.
P.S. I really admire your work. I hope to get my hands on one of your preservations one day.
~ Darth Plagueis
I thought the arrival of falcon was at the morning.
and the whole matter evolves during the day and finaly the leave at afternoon.
Any ways, we see the falcon landing with orange sky ,but, we notice to the next shot when the heroes are inside the sky out side(through window) is bright as hell. so? very fast time pacing?
Impressive. Most impressive.
Great work as always, Vaderios! Nice to have you back. Although I'm kinda new here, I've seen a lot of your great work here on the forums.
Something that keeps cracking me up while watching ROTJ:
when Darth Vader visits the Emperor in his throne room for the second time part of the conversation goes like this:
Darth: A small rebel force has penetrated the shield and landed on Endor.
Emperor: Yes I know.
The way the Emperor says it keeps reminding me of Andy from Little Brittain... what about leaving the Emperor's chair turned to the side (not facing Vader) and making "Yes I know" from Little Brittain his only response. Maybe throughout the whole movie??
Darth Venal said:
I really do want to read that book! I didn't realise I'd gotten so far out of the loop.c
You can read some great articles from the book on the official website, right here.
Darth Venal said:
I know all about working at night and then spoiling the day, it's a habit I've thankfully just about gotten out of. Can I ask what it is you're working on?
Sure. As I said I'm trying to do some screenwriting. My love for movies and the art of cinema has led me to many places (including here) and I really hope that I can do something in the industry. I know it's wishful thinking and an impossible thing to do. But one must start somewhere right?
Originally I was far more interested in telling the story (directing) than coming up with it (screenwriting) and I never thought I would've had so much fun doing this. Don't get me wrong, the process of writing is not an easy one. When I'm tired - like I am now - it's impossible to put something of some value on paper. I'm very demanding of myself so when I come up with something I have to really really like it before I even consider putting it into my draft.
I've found someone who expressed interest in one of my projects, so I wrote down a treatment for him. But the problem I keep facing is, that when I get into writing the final product it always differs from my treatment. For example, I'm writing an action comedy, which quickly turned into a mind bender action comedy with some horror in it. I was quite pleased with what I wrote, and showed it some of my friends. They loved the hell out of it, but of course, there is not much interest in these types of movies, since they don't appeal to a very large audience. It's just that I don't want to sacrifice good story telling for ... money. To quote Simon Pegg: "Studio's will always encourage you to write something that appeals to everyone, but if you do that you'll quickly learn that you usually end up with something that appeals to no one." I think he said it in one of the interview for Shaun of the Dead or Hot Fuzz (brilliant stuff btw!)
Since I'm also not a native English speaker (as you probably already noticed, from Belgium) I have to really watch out for grammatical errors. I was afraid that writing dialogue would be hard, but that seems to be my strength. Which of course, is a good thing. If my dialogue descriptions suck no one will notice in the final product, right?
Anyway, to make a long story short. I'm currently working on a SW fan film. Quite ambitious. I wrote down a story, I'm working on the fourth and last draft now. I had plans to shoot this summer, but due to problems with our shooting location this was delayed. Which is a pitty, since we planned on releasing a teaser trailer today.
But anyway, I'm really happy with the story. It's set ten years before PM, and although not meant as a retcon explains a lot of things that weren't explained in the prequels and it originated as a simple story idea but quickly turned into an attempt to not only give more depth to the prequels but ultimately update the definition of fan film and as an attempt to show Georgey that there is still hope for SW.
The technical and monetary aspect will be the most challenging, although I don't think money will be much of a problem. And technically I know exactly how to do it. The shooting that is. I've been working for a long time on acheiving the 35mm look in After FX, spent time deciding on which camera to use, etc... It will be challenging, though. I'm also planning to introduce well known characters, such as Yoda (I know, CG, it's a shame but a puppet will be much harder) Mace and some others. I was afraid that this wouldn't be possible, but after seeing what Zbrush artists and riggers could pull off today I think I won't have to alter my screenplay after all. (I write without restrain, if I come up with something good I don't care if it cannot be done, it's the only way to get to a good story, just let go and write) I think actually the result will be quite awesome, ultimately because of the talented people I'll be working with. Although I'm searching for a lot more help for post production. But since we still have to shoot everything that'll still be a while.
And it just occured to me that I'm totally going off topic... Damn. So sorry! Venal, if you want to talk , just PM me, okay? You seem like a very talented guy and it's always nice to discuss ideas with a creative mind.
Oh, and the reason why I had to work so much is because I'm doing some animated storyboards for one of my actors and I'm figuring out which cut of the scene I'm going to use... But again, this is REALLY off topic.
Don't worry about typos; the only one I really noticed was, ironically, "typo's". :-)
ROFL. Silly me.
Hope you get something out of your nap. Being tired sucks.
Agreed. But I was afraid that I wouldn't get to taking a nap and... since it's thirty years since the teaser for Empire was released I did get some "rest" by watching some of the movie. Great stuff... great stuff...
I really need to go feed the cat now... I hope I answered some of your questions.
Darth Venal said:
Blimey, that's me updated. I wasn't aware how convoluted it had all become! Ah, I long for the pre-internet days where we just had fanzines and the pace of information was, shall we say, more tempered. Or do I. Hm.
Sorry to hear you're having a rough time, is it in relation to anything specific? Hope it's something you can overcome easily. Take it easy. I'm laden with work to catch up on all weekend, most of which is other people's that they didn't finish (gah!), so I'll be online for the duration.
Thanks for all the extra info.
No problem. I've always been very passionate about movies, I guess. And since I am - as undoubtedly everyone on these boards - a SW and ESB fan, I'm very interested in how these movies came to be and recently - as you said - because of the internet there litterally has been an explosion of information on these topics. So once you start walking down the cyberpath, forever will it dominate your destiny. Meaning: when you start reading this stuff you keep hunting for more.
I really can recommend this book, the Secret History of Star Wars, it gives a great insight into these matters, and stays neutral. Well, not really neutral. It's the SECRET history of Star Wars, so it tries to unravel the truth behind George Lucas' recent statements... Great read.
On the rough time...Maybe I exaggerated a little. Yeah, I've been missing out on some sleep lately since there is some stuff going on right now that I'm working on. It's nothing serious. It's just you know... you spend your nights working on stuff only to find yourself the day after for not getting any sleep. The hours of work you do at night are ultimately lost during the day because you being a total wreck... It happens to me all the time. Bat habbit, I guess. And yes that's a pun. To quote from Batman Begins: "bats are nocturnal." I guess I am too. But it's not very healthy...
EDIT: and very sorry for all the typo's in the previous (and this??) post... I must be really really tired... Might take a short nap... then I'll get back to work...
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Darth Venal said:Darth Plagueis:
o other installment of the series would be able to top the genius of the tandem that was George Lucas - Lawrence Kasdan - Irvin Kershner.
Actually, Leigh Brackett was responsible for most of the writing on Empire. She wrote virtually all the first draft of the screenplay before she died and Kasdan came in to work on it later because Brackett didn't have time to rewrite or polish
I don't have much faith in George Lucas' words either but seemingly - according to various sources, most notably the Secret History of Star Wars and the Starkiller website's list of draft variations almost everything Leigh wrote was discarded by Lucas.
The following basicly happened: Lucas sat down with Leigh and discussed the story. Leigh went of to write a first draft, although being terminally ill. Lucas didn't like it at all and decided to write the second draft himself. Facing the issue that Ben and Anakin were actually serving the same plot purposes and driven by the discovery that Vader and Anakin had a lot in common Lucas decided to merge both characters. Resulting in Vader becoming Luke's dad.
Then Kasdan came in and worked on the next drafts. Say about Kasdan what you want, but he did hell of a job, just check the screenplay for yourself.
Darth Venal said:
But if you read all the drafts, the great writing on Empire is largely down to her, not Kasdan.
Again, not intending any offence against Leigh Brackett, but... my mother suffered from cancer this year (for the second time) and knowing what she gone through - and she thankfully recovered - and judging from my limited experience as a aspiring screenwriter myself I seriously doubt that she could have pulled off something really good in those conditions. And both Lucas (still had some credibility in those days, the source I read quote from the early days, not now) and keeping in mind screenwriter John August's words on screenwriting: "It's hard to do on a good day and unbearable on a bad day" I seriously doubt that the greatness of Empire can be attributed to her... because of the pittyful circumstances and what I've read from the script variations online rather than her personal abilities.
Darth Venal said:
And remember what he and Lucas managed to do with Jedi's script...
Remeber what he and Lucas managed to do on Raiders? And remember what Gary Kurtz had to say about this. He said that he thought that Raiders could've even been a better movie if Spielberg wouldn't have messed around with Kasdan's brilliant script. Spielberg and Lucas decided on doing a rollercoaster ride... this was agreed always the original intention but according to Kurtz they cut out some very important character scenes (which were in the screenplay but never shot) that made the movie even better.
And about Kasdan messing up the ROTJ script... I wholehartedly disagree. Remember that Kasdan has to work with what he gets offered. On Empire this was a pretty good draft on Lucas' account (the man had a vision, don't forget that although he got lots of help from his industry friends he still came up with the concept and story ideas), but this time Lucas seemed to have become as we know him now.
Kurtz said in that same interview that Lucas wanted a rollercoaster ride. He said "the movie will make as much money as it would even if the story isn't that good." That is unfortunately the GL we know today. Kurtz did however go on to praise the first rough draft (not the one you can find online today, which is a revised version of a rough draft that Lucas wrote after trashing this first rough draft) that never saw the light of day in finished form.
Also don't forget that because Kasdan also wasn't too happy with what Lucas came up with for ROTJ he disagreed on doing a script polish on the prequels. (And probably also because he didn't have much time to do it, but nonetheless he didn't hold ROTJ in very high esteem too)
Here's the link to the interview. It's very interesting to say the least.
Darth Venal said:
You also forget Gary Kurtz, who produced both Star Wars and Empire, but not Jedi. He might have had differences with Lucas, but he did a hell of a job on both Star Wars movies - the best two - that he produced.
AMEN to that. I've had a pretty rough day yesterday and today doesn't seem to be much better. Forgive me.
And his differences with Lucas were only for the better, trust me. Kurtz is indeed another of the factors that made Empire in what it is today.
~ Darth Plagueis
EDIT: I seem to have missed reading the other comments that came after yours, Darth Venal. Most of what I said has already being said. I'm very sorry for that.
On the WGA checking these things... That wasn't exactly the case back then. You might've heard of the current issue of Jonathan Nolan's work on Terminator Salvation that didn't change the screenplay in such a way that he could receive credit for it. Well, in those days if I recall correctly that wasn't the case. And I don't think Jonah really wanted any credit on Terminator Salvation...
Plus as you will probably wholeheartedly agree on, post-mortem credit is an exception on its own and if Lucas wanted to do this as a tribute, the WGA wasn't going to stop him for any reason.
And of course, there is the fact that the she shaped the screenplay by writing the first draft, even if that means that it mostly was discarded, there was enough material that came directly from Lucas to remain in later drafts... So this indirectly could be attributed to Leigh Brackett, if you're still following me... I can be a little unclear on these matters I'm afraid. Especially when I'm in a hurry...
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Moth3r said:DarthPlagueis said:
Your personal life might be important but understand that this isn't a forum dealing with that.
Yes - listen to this guy, he talks sense.
... if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me...
Oh wait - scratch my last comment.
Yeah, you're right Moth3r. But listen I'm in a hurry and I haven't got too much time to express myself properly and I didn't mean to sound like a wacko who lives in a dream world and likes to oversimplify things, but you know... it's Star Wars. It's fantasy. It's about letting dreams come true and doing the impossible, right? This is probably the only chance we have to see a properly restored version of ANH and ESB.
Adywan already proved that George shouldn't be too proud of this technological terror he constructed called the SE and the 2004 DVD's, since his ability to destroy a saga is no match for the power of Star Wars fandom, most notably an unknown guy with a computer from GB that became a true living legend amongst Star Wars fans because he did the impossible working with... shit.
Yes, shit. The 2004 DVD's and the GOUT is shit too me. And although I'm unaware what PC Ady's using I guess it's far inferior to whatever the ILM and Lowry Digital crew were using.
So I only wanted to let him know that I'm up for the task unless of course this certain Mr. Adywan expresses his interest in doing this. But assuming that's just wishful thinking regarding he has got a lot on his hands these days - considering we all expect him to provide us with both the Revisited and color corrected HD versions of the Saga - I'd offer to help out myself. I can do this, that's not the issue. I know it's a hard and time consuming task to scan these reels, but I just need the raw data. I'd do everything necessary (IVTC and so on and so forth) myself and restore it frame by frame.
I'll PM you soon, -1
I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it turned out that they indeed deliberately cripple the GOUT.
Nice job, Georgey. You've done it again.
I feel a little weird. Not sure if we're supposed to be happy or we're supposed to mourn the fact that Empire was the truly last superb Star Wars film... the best of them all. No other installment of the series would be able to top the genious of the tandem that was George Lucas - Lawrence Kasdan - Irvin Kershner. Especially the last two ones that is.
All hail [the] Empire! I guess...
Classic trailer though! Always nice to see that shot of 3PO ripping the Wampa sign of the door... I guess they had good reasons to leave that out of the movie.
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please stop teasing us and just tell us straight away if you're doing this or not.
Your personal life might be important but understand that this isn't a forum dealing with that. So you're in the progress of getting a girlfriend? Good for you. She's much younger than you? That's your business. Unless of course you decide to take that to a Star Wars fanboard. Wherever you'd decide to chat about that though, you would have people who disagree with what you're doing. But the point remains, this is not the board for such discussion.
I don't know if you even read my offer, or are even considering it, or even have the time for it but, as others have said if you're not planning on doing anything with these prints, please either give or sell them to somebody who has the capabilities and/or equipment to properly treat these beauties.
And about my offer, a couple of pages ago I told you that if you'd just scan these prints and in whatever way get the digitized copies to me - since I don't have the needed equipment to scan these prints myself, I'd happily restore them frame by frame if necessary and do everything needed to give SW fans what they've been waiting for for so long. And I'd still give you all credit you deserve for allowing this to happen.
You don't have to take my word for it. Just send me a minute or two of footage and I'll show you what I'm capable of.
So please, don't just let these prints decay until they're beyond repair. Do this while it's still possible.
Since I'm new here I'm unaware of what precisely happened here. But I just checked some pages of this project thread and I'm stunned by the prints of the OT that you have in your possession.
I'm serious. That's a true gold mine. Not in terms of money, but in terms of what you could mean for Star Wars fandom if we finally could be able to have a quality restoration of the original versions of the OT!
I'm asking you, please, please allow me to help you. I'm currently in the progress of working on lots of things but if you'd provide me with transfers of these prints in digital format (computer file) I'd restore them, frame by frame if I must. I kid you not, I have already done a fair share of frame by frame work on numerous private projects.
Even if you'd only supply the material you have in your possession, just try to imagine what credit you'd receive for finally giving the Star Wars fan community what they've been waiting for, for so long.
Please PM me.
Help us, -1, you're our only hope.
What about doing exactly the same thing, but only with the death star now circling around Coruscant?
In A NEW HOPE REVISITED, the Death Star was circling another (anonymous?) planet when it wasn't yet operational. The concept of the DS circling a planet could thus sell the idea of it not being operational yet to the Rebels.
The moon of Endor could become the moon of Coruscant. But with Endor being the name of the moon instead of being the naam of the planet to which the moon allegedly belongs.
The Emperor's master plan could then remain the same and in the end shots could be inserted indicating that the Emperor's palace is being destroyed by the wreckage of the Death Star, explaining why Luke and Vader try to get out of it as soon as possible.
But this would mean an awful lot of re-editing and the creation of new shots, which begs the question: will making these rather aesthetic than story-based changes actually contribute positively to the movie? Since this would include numerous changes to dialogue in order to make this relocation of the events happening fit in, one could ask the question: how much can actually be improved upon this movie storywise since story is usually conveyed within dialogue rather than special effects as hopefully everone here agrees.
I'm not saying effects and locations and such cannot contribute to the story, I just don't think they can contribute in the sense that they can carry the movie, especially not the way dialogue and plot does. Which is quite obvious, isn't it?
What about replacing Sebastian Shaw by Hayden Christensen at the end of Jedi??? Or we could replace Boba Fett's original voice with Temuera Morrison's, the guy who plays Jango in AOTC and ROTS?? Or perhaps make Vader's saber PINK?? And Luke's GREEN?? Or even add a new song to ROTJ that doesn't fit in at all call it JEDI ROCKS or something similair to pull all the viewers straight out of the movie!!
Those would be the worst ideas ever!
Yes, though I really liked the voice acting, I can't say the same thing about the microphone quality...
This is obviously not your fault, though! But if mrbenja is planning to redub ALL of the dialogue the quality of the recordings used should be consistent throughout the movie.
MrBenja0618, do you plan on changing any lines for the movie? Is this a project of your own? Or are you searching for people to do this for Ady's revisited project? If so, does he even know about this yet?
If you do plan on changing the dialogue, wouldn't it be appropriate to first rewrite the screenplay and see what amount of changes can be made? Since dialogue is the essential part of the story, nearly everything in the movie can be changed, right? Not everything of course, (to remain lip sync) but quite a lot of irritatingly bad dialogue can be polished.
I really like the idea of doing this, but if you are just trying to gather people to do this for the Revisited versions of the prequels (which are as Ady said many years away) I'm afraid that people that might be availible now might not be availible then and this might create some problems if you're beginning to early with this without Ady's knowledge.
I'm not trying to be negative about this project! I'm just saying that before you can find people who actually want to do this you might want to make some plans first. I saw your thread at the voice acting alliance boards and I saw that someone asked where to send the lines, etc... I think this confusion was created because you didn't add too many details in the first post.
We're all Star Wars fans here. And although most of us dislike the prequels we all know what Jar Jar sounds like and we can quote a few of his lines, even if only to mock him. But there, some people might own the prequels and would probably loose interest due to the lack of information. You said you wanted to redub the prequels, but readers of the forum topic might think you're just going to redub the exact same lines from the original, which in their eyes (and many others) would be unnecessary work.
Again, I'm only trying to provide constructive criticism. I suggest you take some time to think about what you want to achieve, how you want to do it,... make a plan! And then put the word out that you're searching for people to improve these movies.
People will only be interested in this if they can see that this has been thought out. If you just say: "Let's redub the prequels!" Without giving how to do it any thought and with assuming that possible candidates will exactly know what to do without you telling them, unfortunately this won't work. This is not your fault! Not at all! Your intentions are noble :p It's just that on a Star Wars board like this, this is recieved as a really good idea! On other boards people will just say: "Redub the first three Star Wars movies? Why?"
Again, I really admire what you did and do. I just wanted you to know what I think is lacking from this proposition of yours and I hope that my criticism will be helpful to you.
Strangely enough I seem to prefer yours over the original... It seems to be a little more... I don't know. Better?
So, good work, man!
IMHO, adding some shots of the planet surface and the people on it being destroyed will create another problem, which is unfortuantely, I think a problem in the movie itself.
If we create an emotional and dramatic representation of what's going on the surface of the problem, the audience will be emotionally touched by what happens... but this seems to lack amongst the characters in the movie.
Leia's reacton to the destruction of her planet has honoustly always bugged me a little. It didn't detract from the movie, but I've always seemed (since the first time I saw SW) to feel that she was a little emphatic to the situation.
I mean, everyone she once knew is dead. Her mother, father, aunts, uncles, friends, other family, etc... Dead! But that doesn't seem to stop her from uttering some witty banter because the story asks for it. When I would've lost an entire planet of people which had my family on it I would've been pretty down and really depressive I think. In the end she's handing out medals to Luke and Han (and now Chewie too, thanks Ady!!) like it's one of the biggest victories of all time but she's just lost everyone she cared about...
I know that this is Star Wars, but I'm just afraid that stretching the emotional and dramatic aspect of the destruction of Alderaan will only raise the question: "Why does nobody really seem to care after a couple of minutes into the movie after the destruction??"
I love SW, as a movie of course, and I'm just hoping that adding a thing like this wouldn't detract to much from the move and create inconsistencies... Great work on the planet being "eaten" away by the laser, though. I wouldn't mind that being added!!
Anyway, that's just my 2 cents.
EyeShotFirst said:DarthPlagueis said:
Yeah! Great job, mate!
The new colors - being more diverse - are much easier on the eyes, too.
Not to toot my own horn but I like it because it looks more OTish. The colouring looks like it was put there in 1980. That was what I was going for. I can't wait to see what Ady will do to the orange cloud city scenes
Yes, of course! The OT feel was the primary reason why I liked it, too! Just wanted to say that because the colors are more diverse they're easier on the eyes. I don't really like the (lasy?) color correction done in the prequels. For example in Obi vs Anakin or on Geonosis. In either one of them, they just seemingly tinted the whole thing in one color. This doesn't only lack the OT feel and doesn't look too good, but it's also much harder for the viewer to discern the different objects/persons in the scene.
Oh and BTW, Darth Venal, awesome job on the mockups!
Judging from the still, that does look GREAT! Can't wait to see it in motion.
Oh, and you can watermark your images or vids if you desperately want to but... I wouldn't use the wording "Property of." This is fanediting it's never really your property anyway... Might be nitpicky, but I thought I'd say this anyway since it's kinda funny :p
Again, nice work, bro!
Yeah! Great job, mate!
The new colors - being more diverse - are much easier on the eyes, too.
For any person with a healthy love for cinema, hearing the director of one of your favorite movies explain how he did makes the movie even more entertaining and lets you gain appreciation for what he did.
Since the people who download your fanedit are usually people who care about movies, I too think that a commentary would be very very much appreciated!!
And Kershner was indeed a genius. It's a shame that the other movies he made (except for Empire) don't seem to reflect this. (Poor material to work with, perhaps?) Or did I just miss out on other masterpieces the guy fathered?
Well, I also think it's a shame. Certainly because of the reason of Ady not liking his own voice. From what I've heard from that interview, I think nothing's wrong with his voice. I even think he has a great voice (if there is such a thing :p)
No, actually, everbody freaks out the first time when hearing his/her voice in a recording. Everybody hears his own voice differently from what it really sounds like due to the position of our ear and due to our ear being part of our own head it perceives sound made by our own body differently than sounds made by other objects or persons.
It's like you can hear yourself chew much louder than other people. It's kinda obvious, but it's still weird, though.
So, Ady, please, please do an audio commentary on Empire Revisited. Everbody in this board has already heard your voice on that interviw, anyway, and nobody's like: "Dude, that's a strange voice." Trust me, I know people who do have strange voices and that's a different story altogether... :p
Right now you're like those women who're afraid to get out to the public because they think they're ugly when the rest of the world doesn't. :p
~~ Darth Plagueis
I didn't. I did read about it, though ;)
No, just joking. I'm not the guy to encourage that type of thing, though... But if you desperately want to get Vegas, you can... eh... try before you buy. :p