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I loved most of the aspects they showed. The train, the gold (person? Robot?) thing. Really interesting. I guess I’ll continue not being the hugest ST fan but a huge Anthology fan.
Did you guys like it?
Not sure about Chewie, he didn’t really look like Chewie. I really liked Donald Glover as Lando. And I liked the girl. Is she the girlfriend from the ANH deleted scene??
I quite liked it.
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I wasn’t writing them off, I was trying to say the traditional movie critic who had a journalistic background or came out of the movie industry seems a rare breed these days.
There were plenty of critics I couldn’t stand back in the day. There was at least one who seemed to enjoy trashing Star Wars regularly. Probably pulling their hair out now if they’re still around. 😉
OOH! Have ya seen the video of Siskel & Ebert defending ROTJ against some fool? It’s great! 😄
Here it isThanks, I loved seeing that and Siskel says exactly the same thing I just said!
“This is very good of its kind.” He repeats it again and again. “This is very good OF ITS KIND.”
Judge The Last Jedi against its peers. Objectively it is a high quality family film. You can look at the professional critics opinions, aggregated on metacritic and rotten tomatoes. This is very good of its kind. Pirates Of The Caribbean, Transformers, Planet Of The Apes, Justice League. This is not opinion, this is the truth.
Shouldn’t you judge Star Wars vs Star Wars? They’re all Star Wars movies.
No, because if I say to you Collipso ‘what is your fave film of all time?’ and you reply “Empire Strikes Back” - then you are judging this new flick against the highest cinematic benchmark you’ve ever experienced. Nothing should have to attain such an unrealistic stretch target.
But if I say to you, “Collipso, out of the films you saw in 2017, which did you enjoy the most?”… and that film is The Last Jedi then I would say that’s a great success!
I see your point. However, I think we should judge a Star Wars movie against other Star Wars movies. If Star Wars movies have hit a certain mark in the past, I expect the other that follow it to do the same, to hit the same marks and if possible even more. If not, I won’t be impressed. In fact I’ll be a bit disappointed, that’s all.
I still really enjoyed both of my TLJ experiences. I do think that, as a movie, the first act is fairly weak and messy, and that the pace during that session is not very good at all. I also think some of the dialogue and writing decisions didn’t resonate well with me. But it’d still be a 7/10 or 7.5/10 for me, and that’s ok. What I don’t like are some of the directions taken with the characters. And I have my problems with the ST as a whole too.
PS: Star Wars is my favorite Star Wars movie, and my favorite movie of all time is probably The Godfather Part II.
I wasn’t writing them off, I was trying to say the traditional movie critic who had a journalistic background or came out of the movie industry seems a rare breed these days.
There were plenty of critics I couldn’t stand back in the day. There was at least one who seemed to enjoy trashing Star Wars regularly. Probably pulling their hair out now if they’re still around. 😉
OOH! Have ya seen the video of Siskel & Ebert defending ROTJ against some fool? It’s great! 😄
Here it isThanks, I loved seeing that and Siskel says exactly the same thing I just said!
“This is very good of its kind.” He repeats it again and again. “This is very good OF ITS KIND.”
Judge The Last Jedi against its peers. Objectively it is a high quality family film. You can look at the professional critics opinions, aggregated on metacritic and rotten tomatoes. This is very good of its kind. Pirates Of The Caribbean, Transformers, Planet Of The Apes, Justice League. This is not opinion, this is the truth.
Shouldn’t you judge Star Wars vs Star Wars? They’re all Star Wars movies.
Yeah, I always thought that the dark side unbalanced the harmony of the light side, and therefore it should be destroyed.
Mrebo, it’s a false equivalency.
There are those online who have declared The Last Jedi a box office turkey, and yes it has performed significantly worse than The Force Awakens did.
However - this false equivalency fails to note that The Force Awakens was the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time. The Last Jedi has in fact already earned a staggering $1.3 billion and is one of the top ten most successful movies of all time.
There are those who have declared that The Last Jedi is a bad SW movie, nowhere near as good as Empire Strikes Back.
However - this false equivalency fails to note that Empire Strikes Back was recently voted the best movie of all time by Empire magazine. Naturally, comparing any movie to the best movie of all time is always going to result in it appearing second rate.
Compare like for like. Compare The Last Jedi (2017) to the other films released for family audiences in 2017. That’s fair, that’s sensible, that’s equivalent. It doesn’t ‘skew’ the results to create a false narrative. It gives a genuine picture of the quality when measured against its peers (which are exactly the like of Pirates Of The Carribean, Justice League, and Transformers The Last Knight).
This is one of the reasons why we still need professional critics. People who can be trusted, unlike youtubers, to have seen a lot of films and possess an understanding of where the benchmark line is set.
It’s still a Star Wars movie though. I understand where you’re coming from but if Star Wars movies before The Last Jedi have hit certain marks that TLJ didn’t, then it’s TLJ’s fault.
Did you even watch the video? You’re basically bashing youtubes
Collipso are you the guy who has refused to watch The Last Jedi or is that ray_afraid? I thought I read somewhere back in the thread that one of you guys hasn’t even watched the film?
I’m actually far from mad - I really enjoyed the film! I don’t much like reading whining though. Maybe it’s from being British, where complaining is somewhat frowned upon culturally (that’s not to say it doesn’t go on), but the sort of whining and nitpicking that has accompanied the release of TLJ from “fans” is hard to listen to.
I didn’t think Snoke was a great character though. I far prefer ‘tangible’ in camera where possible and the Snoke CG fx in TFA was a lowpoint. The CG was superior in TLJ but still I’m not sad to see the character gone, and the throne room sequence for me was superb - really well delivered by Rian Johnson. He pulled the Game Of Thrones trick of killing off a character at a moment that none of us anticipated.
I have watched the movie twice. Sorry for assuming you’re mad, but it certainly seems that way if you read your last couple of posts. I enjoyed the film as well, I just have way too many problems with it, but I think I’ll warm up to it. Not enough to overlook its flaws, but enough to get a really fun experience out of it.
I liked how Rian killed Snoke too. I think it was a nice decision and a fresh twist. Standing alone it’s an interesting idea. However, like the video points out, Snoke is the central piece of the puzzle that is the state of the galaxy post-RotJ. Snoke is a central figure in Ben Solo’s arc, which is the most important thing in the ST so far, since it took both Luke and Han out of the fight. TLJ shows how Luke slipped and how Ben’s fall was partly his fault, but as the movie and several people here already pointed out, Ben’s heart was already the dark side’s. In other words, Snoke had already corrupted him.
And what is Snoke? He’s leading an organization that after TLJ seems as unstoppable and powerful as the Empire. He’s a master of the dark side that seduced the most promising of Luke’s students to the dark side and ultimately brought the war back to the galaxy. He’s the key figure of this trilogy. And since this is Episode VII and VIII, and RotJ was VI, we won’t have prequels to the ST explaining everything. So what we’re arguing is that they should’ve developed Snoke more. Not necessarily the regular character development that most characters get, but simply showing a bit of where he came from and his motivations and powers, and how he influenced so many people to the point of creating the First Order, powerful as it is, from the ashes of a fallen empire. Im not even talking about flashbacks or any of that, but just some expository dialogue between Snoke and Rey and Kylo in the throne room, or between Luke and Rey, simply so that we understand how it went from peace post-RotJ to what happened in the past 2 films.
https://youtu.be/9eJXB0FQPD0 - good analysis on why Snoke in the ST doesn’t work like Palpatine worked in the OT.
Just what we all need, another no-name youtuber giving his reasons why nu star wars sux.
In all honesty the constant comparing is what’s killing any chance of enjoyment for these people. For goodness sake judge the new movies on their own merits without the constant, endless comparisons to a trilogy of films made 40 years ago.
If you want to compare The Last Jedi to other movies then judge it against its 2017 contemporaries… comparable films made with a high budget and targeted at family audiences; such classics as ‘Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales’, ‘Kong: Skull Island’, and ‘Justice League’. The bar is set so low and thank goodness that we are still getting films at the high quality level of The Last Jedi - stop whining, get some perspective, and appreciate how rare that is in the family film category.
I’m sorry you’re so mad. Those who criticized the movie NEVER drew any sort of comparison between Snoke and Palpatine, they just criticized Snoke in the ST. Those defending the ST said that we as an audience knew just as much about Palpatine in the OT then we know about Snoke in the ST, and this video is an answer to that counter argument. I recommend you watching it because I think it shows very clearly why Snoke doesn’t work.
If it’s a TLJ edit, why can’t you just wait 3 more months for the Blu-Ray? Maybe even less.
Starset - My Demons
I’d say ask your friend for her phone number.
https://youtu.be/9eJXB0FQPD0 - good analysis on why Snoke in the ST doesn’t work like Palpatine worked in the OT.
to bad i he was the first time he had a bad time and for a bad time and then i had no inkling and the way the lord had the lord and he had no inkling of the holy holy ghost holy god holy lord god bless the holy god bless god and god.
^how did this happen i’m not even religious
Hervé Villechaize?
Yes. Oh my. Do I need glasses?
This has long been my Exhibit A for how not to replace/recreate an actor in a movie. 😉
Yes, it’s a cut out photo of Bruce Lee optically pasted on a double. It looks even worse in motion.
Oh my god, for a second I thought it was the Chris Lee’s butler in The Man With The Golden Gun.
George Harrison’s All Things Must Pass - 10/10
Would The Clones Attack be better for a Star Wars movie than Attack of the Clones?
TESB has no all caps sentence.
Sigh
“Besides everything Mos Eisley”
Star Wars - Thanks to Harmy, I at long last got the chance to see the original again, and goddamn, I’d forgotten. I’d forgotten that Lucas was once a young renegade who’d synthesized David Lean’s epic sweep with Kurosawa and Ford’s clean lines. I’d forgotten how he once put things onscreen no one had ever seen or heard before, I’d forgotten the lean, economical storytelling, brilliant aesthetic, I’d forgotten so much. Thanks, Harmy. Thanks.
I mean, I know that the Special Editions don’t even compare to the original, but besides everything Mos Eisley, most changes are color, sound and some “subtle” changes. Just because the STAR WARS logo goes back too quickly doesn’t mean that Lucas’ lean, economic storytelling and brilliant aesthetics are not there. I love what Harmy did to the film and it’s honestly a masterpiece, the guy is insanely skillful, I’m not downplaying him, don’t get me wrong; I’m just saying that even though the original is very superior in very subtle ways, I think you’re being too harsh on the special editions by saying they worsened some storytelling aspects of the movie. (Jabba scene does, but that’s it)
In the scenes where Leia was unconscious, was it Carrie herself laying down while Poe, Finn and Rose talked? I seem to remember someone saying it wasn’t her, or that she wasn’t there at all and it was CGI or something.
