I've moved the Endor side of the conversation over to ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread.
Bingowings said:
Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.
If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.
Bingowings said:
vaderios said:Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.
-Angel
Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.
I copied this over from the ESB:R thread as it's more a ROTJ:R (or similar edit) idea.
vaderios said:Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.
-Angel
Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.
TheBoost said:
Forest Moon of Endor:
- Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something.
Watched "Jedi" last night. It seemed to me that since the DS and the moon are always in sunlight, the planet the forest moon is orbiting can very likely just be on the other side of the forest moon. The forest moon is a really big planet (at least Earth size apparently) not a small moon. It's completely possible that in all the wideshots the gas giant Endor is simply behind the planet, or behind the camera.
It does seem a bit cheap to make such a potentially large object perpertually camera shy.
The EU explanation is that the main planet was lost somehow but wouldn't that make the moon a fully fledged planet now?
vaderios said:
-Angel
Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.
If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.
Thanks Tobar, it looks more like just a mouth in a pit (a bit like the OUT Sarlacc only really big).
LexX said:Knightmessenger said:Also, episode III was never released on VHS. So you'll never see an official VHS set of all three prequels anyways.
It was released at least in my country so I have the full PT on VHS, too. :)
It was definitely released in the UK, I picked it up in HMV when they were getting rid of their VHS cassettes.
Same here, I would love to see the edited versions.
HotRod said:Bingowings said:Ziz said:Bingowings said:Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)
Yeah, maybe we should stay away from the 'Slug Jaws' type of thing!!
:)
Heaven's preserve Richard Kiel!
It is a mock-up not a final effect (it took me literally 5 minutes on photoshop and it shows) so joking aside, people shouldn't dismiss an idea because of a sketch on a napkin isn't mixed in Dobly 5.1.
Archie Goodwin used essentially the same idea in the Marvel Comic adaptation ,though he never showed the creature from the outside (can someone post a scan of this for completion sake? I can't find one.)
The idea is out there, some people like it, some people don't but Adywan will choose for this edit. (and whatever he says or doesn't say but just does I'll go with).
TheBoost said:ChainsawAsh said:Bingowings was thinking more of what I was concerned about - how we would make it clear that Fett sold the information to the Rebels.
And that's not a half-bad idea, either.
How did Boba know where the Death Star was?
Vader told him or let him know is the obvious choice, he wants Palpatine and the Rebeliion wiped out and for Luke to be his apprentice, Palpatine knows all about this but the Death Star is fully functioning and caught between the Imperial fleet and the Death Star they will be wiped out, Luke be be his apprentice and Vader will be out of the way.
But does the audience really need to know?
Boba Fett is a bounty hunter and a tracker, the rebels can hire him just as much as anyone else.
You can stick the backstory in the new novelisation.
ChainsawAsh said:That's an interesting idea, but I don't know how you'd get it across using existing footage.
A shot of Slave One heading off into space, A shot of Slave One heading towards the Rebel fleet, a shot of Fett hanging around in the background of the briefing out of sight of Han and the rest and no mention of the Bothan spies.
Leia : "I hope it's worth the price we paid"
vaderios I'm sure, could knock out some wonderful mock ups.
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:There IS the option of having him at Jabba's at first and then use some exterior of the palace with Fett's ship leaving in the background. That way he's gone from the sail barge fight...
Just in time to sell the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels?
Ziz said:Bingowings said:Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)
Or Matt Groening.
I wonder what it would look like in yellow?
Only joking.
"Stay On Target!"
vaderios said:teharri said:I think I have mentioned it before , but I would love to see an update to the ION cannon blast in the hoth battle. I would like to see the laser beam look taken out and replaced with a more electrical bursts with a few added elctricity volts comming from the star destroyer that takes the hit. Replace each laser with a laser that has a sold white/bluish core with electricity streaming from it.
ImpFighter: In the last pic I see a tiling/matte problem on the planet's surface. Its me or IT is wrong?
-Angel
I do like the sparky bolt thing, great stuff.
vaderios said:As I promised:
Notice that the Motion blur adds "something" and reduces from spaceship's plastic look.
-Angel
PS just ignore the brush i accidentally put in the 3rd row of pics :S
That looks cool but I think the Emperor's cast offs would be in a museum to his greatness on Coruscant (like the Royal Yacht Britannia in Leith) that said we don't know how many of these things were built back then and it might have belonged to some also ran in the rise of the Empire.
AuggieBenDoggie said:Ady, please don't change the space sluggs teeth to resemble a more cave like structure. I have never had a problem with the teeth in my whole life of watching Empire. I would rather you take the slugg out over changing the teeth. In fact, the slugg has no business existing in the vacuum of space.
Just a thought, but you could always remove the lines about Han and Leia talking about it.
Dog fights in space making sounds in a vacuum make no sense either but as I said it's space fantasy not science fiction.
It's Jonah in the greate fyshe, it's Gilgamesh and Pinocchio in the whale but the scene should make narrative sense ( ang on a mo...I thought I wasn't going to post on this subject anymore...why did the Goddess make me a nerd?).
TheBoost said:I'm confused by the 'remove Boba' sentiment.
Excluding the EU, Boba was a minor, albiet cool looking, character in Empire, who acheived what he did by being clever and sneaky, not by being badass.
In Jedi he's hanging out at Jaba's opium den flirting with dames, (a SE addition i dig) and when some action goes down, he doesn't accomplish much except dying.It's a minor comeupance for a minor villain. I dig it. A memorable goon who dies a memorable goon death.
The only niggle I have with Fett in ROTJ is that he's a bounty hunter not a bodyguard, so you'd think he'd be out there hunting some bounty instead of kicking his heels in Chez Jabba.
There again he could have been just dropping off or picking up orders and got caught up in drama of it all.
I'd still like him to have a more dignified end (I'm in the beheading camp myself Luke did it in a dream so it would make sense that he could do it reality, having blind Han tap him on the jet pack sending him off screaming like a jessy is such a let down).
+++UPDATE+++
It appears ChainsawAsh and I are not only singing from the similar hymn sheets but are almost in harmony.
ChainsawAsh said:Different Shuttle Class for Tydyrium. Definately yes. "Parts and Technical" use the same class of ship as the EMPEROR?!
Oh, NOW I get it! Yeah, that makes sense. Maybe make the Tydyrium the same as the shuttle we see in ESB travelling from one Star Destroyer to another?
I think Adywan is fixing that for ESB:R (correct me if I'm wrong folks) so it's the same as the shuttles in ROTJ.
It would make sense to have it the same as the Imperial transporter thing in ANH SE, that seemed to be dropping off equipment not just carrying personnel and I imagine the cockpit configuration would be the same.
I would love to see the Emperor arrive in something else again, gloss black or red (to match his honour guard) would be cool
something that shouts "I'm the bleedin Emperor by the way! And if you try it on with me I'll take that death stick...shove it up your ass...and light it!" (the Ferrari of the shuttle fleet with a bit of Manfred von Richthofen on the side).
Another aborted script idea was to have the Emperor arrive in his throne room as he takes the same chambers from one world to the next (another rip-off from Dune) it might of worked but I can't see it with the throne room we finally got in ROTJ.
Naturally all the mock-ups shown here are mock-ups, they aren't puppets or 3D CGI models, just rough and ready illustrations of basic ideas (this one I think has merit but may be not to Adywan's taste or within the realms of what he can fit into his already busy schedule).
We are just throwing out ideas here for anyone (but in this case specifically Adywan) to use or not use because we want to help.
That's what makes coming on here fun.
doubleofive said:
12. Add AT-AT to ground battle. Impossible.
Not impossible just bloody hard work which Adywan might not want to bother with but somebody else might.
ChainsawAsh said:
12. Add AT-AT to ground battle. Don't see the point. So, no.
Because it's there, because it's a powerful weapon and because it would look amazing if it could be done.
HotRod said:Bingowings said:OK my last post on this subject but I had a go myself and though it's not up to Vaderlos' high standard but here goes :
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AFTER :
Haha...How's that thing ever going to close it's mouth??
Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)
The shot of Anakin makes him look even more pretty (talk about Florance of Arabia). To be a Sith lord and be taken seriously he would need to wear the mask even without barbecue.
Some of these re-colour jobs are so great and I would really love to see the footage done this way.
When it comes to the Sarlacc while I'm not too keen on the Little Shop Of Horrors stylings of the SE version I think George did have a point about it just sitting there.
Perhaps when the barge arrives at the Pit Of Carkoon there is just a pit covered with sand.
As the skiff approaches the pit the Sarlacc pushes up out of the sand and tries to reach for it like the giant squid in Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.
It's still anchored to the desert floor (so not as mobile as the sand worms in Dune) but it can move about a bit, especially when the skiff gets damaged (it would be fun if it pulled people off the wrecked skiff with even longer tentacles in a more convincing manner).
Star Wars has too many Venus Flytrap style opportunist feeders (see the great space slug debate on the ESB:R thread) and I'm sure we could keep the frankly obscene design ethic of the OUT Sarlacc but pimp up it's action potential.
The logo designs look a treat.
I can't wait to see what the crawls would finally look like.
OK my last post on this subject but I had a go myself and though it's not up to Vaderlos' high standard but here goes :
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AFTER :
