Oh dear.

The thing is that no one wanted to see Luke dead in the first place, and definitely not to be replaced by Rey - a character few have grown to care for and a character we’ve not seen struggle for her achieved triumphs. It’s like sacrificing your house to buy a motorbike. It just doesn’t hold the same value to most people and will always be considered a very bad choice that people can’t fathom.

Having Luke around will only be to get the bank bucks from “The Politically-Evil Spirited Sequel Haters” and we all know it. It will hardly be satisfactory either having a beloved character that raised million of children as a blue force orb trying to teach Rey a lesson or two for the THIRD film in a row. Some people will go to the cinema and watch it, others will wait for stream - and I suspect a large amount of the fanbase here and elsewhere will torrent it in pure disdain and hatred. Either way, It’s going to make money and it’s going to be canon.

Until the day they either sell or replace the majoritfy of their staff, this is what we’re going to get and we’ll just have to bend over and either close our eyes or try to enjoy it.

Thank the maker we have brilliant faneditors that can salvage things from The Sequels for people who want to give them a new chance.

Rey Skywalker, you’re our only hope.

G&G-Fan said:

The word “objectively” in film criticism is baffling. People do realize story and character tropes that we call “good writing” are designed strictly to evoke emotional reactions out of people? “Good” dependents on whether it evoked the right emotional reaction out of people. And emotional reactions are subjective. The very nature of judging film is subjective.

The only way you can use “objectively” in film criticism is if you’re describing what straight up does and doesn’t happen. Like, someone would be objectively wrong to say Darth Vader never sits down in the OT.

No, I agree as much as I disagree here. I still go back to my metaphor: If a bike is not built properly and therefore not working as a bike, but it gives some people amusement, is it subjectivly a good bike or objectively a bad bike? In essence, it’s not OBJECTIVELY working as a bike, but it works subjectively for some as entertainment or fun.

I’m not disregarding opinion, I’m questioning if the trilogy is structurally flawed in it’s connective tissue in a subjective versus factual manner.

Definition of a trilogy:

A trilogy is a set of three distinct works that are connected

Objectively the three films are connected AND disconnected, as they also work AGAINST eachother’s established characters, plot developments and future goals; making one to the other redundant or outright breaking the connection with the previous in many aspects of the “connective” tissue. A case could be made for both I suppose, because you could argue that they are “connected because they have the same characters in them and they share similar ideas”. But if the film trilogy also break with its own connected material and fights itself in its overall execution, does that not also go against the connection established and built? Rendering most of it, if not all, completely useless as a trilogy built on connection - CONNECTING WITH EACHOTHER, when they are in fact, in many regards, fighting eachother (just like it’s director’s differing views and execution)? But as of now, tired as fuck as I am (4 am here), I will stand by this. Perhaps I’m overthinking. Perhaps I’m underthinking it. Perhaps I just wanted some action before I went to bed. Who knows? I might be a Sith Lord after all. Or the Jedi to save Grogu.

Either way, may the force be with Disney because they need it more than us.

Good night ❤️

BedeHistory731 said:

Saying “Objectively bad” immediately discredits any criticisms, IMHO. Especially since “objectively bad” is such a thoroughly reactionary thing to say.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps objectivity is just as subjective as everything else now. It’s 2023 after all, and opinions are far more important than facts. I suppose a broken radio would still be considered subjectivly a good radio these days, if enough people put their minds to it.

Either way, if you analyze what I wrote one more time I think you will understand my arguement better. I might be wrong, but I think it’s a great arguement for why I think I’m right. So there’s that.

StarkillerAG said:

Anjohan said:

The prequels had story, but lacked characters. The sequels had neither. That is why they are objectively the worst trilogy.

Huh? Literally no part of that makes any sense. Both trilogies had story and characters, whether good or bad, and “objectivity” can only rarely be applied to art (and certainly not here).

And again, this is not about your personal feelings regarding the sequel trilogy, it’s about what makes the most economic sense for Disney to do. I have plenty of issues with the sequels, don’t get me wrong, but box office numbers don’t care about your feelings.

The prequels prevailed in it’s story but lacked in it’s depth of the characters. But the films built and complimented on one another, and had a clear vision for the audience to see. Therefore, they succeeded as a trilogy. The Sequels lacked in all structural departments, and crumbled in on itself with director’s fighting eachother’s vision and disregarding eachother’s structural development of the story. Even the character’s changed and/or lost character traits from one film to another, some even so much that they went from a defined, serious character to a comedy character or even main character to sidekick.

If I build a bike that doesn’t work, but it’s funny to ride it because it looks funny and entertains people, then it’s still a bad bike whether people find it entertaining or not. But it will always objectively be a bad bike that failed in its execution.

As a trilogy, The Sequels are objectively bad. But they might be subjectively good individual pieces of cinema. In other words, you can like the films both as a trilogy as well as individual film(s), but they’re failed installments in a trilogy structure with a beginning, middle and end that builds and compliments on one another. Objectively badly structured, subjectively good and/or bad as individual films (in an objectively badly executed TRILOGY).

The prequels had story, but lacked characters. The sequels had neither. That is why they are objectively the worst trilogy.

The Boba Fett and Mandalorian storyline will be one movie, titled something appropriate as soon as one such comes to mind. I’m not going to make two seperate movies as originally planned. About 1 hour and 58 minutes.

The Present Day storyline of Boba Fett is not satisfying enough to carry the film alone - the plot is simply too thin and repedative. 40 minutes of politics and meetings and weird character decisions and varying tones in the Second Act crumbles the film. It also lacks a Third Act unless it is the combined Boba and Mando conclusion (EP 7 in other words).

Therefore, the film start with Boba’s Tusken storyline - follows it chronologically - and then we are introduced to Mando as soon as Boba and Fennec overthrow Bib Fortuna. This works like a charm and the two storylines can then compliment eachother.

The storyline’s are heavily re-structured and I’ve tried to achieve higher emotional stakes, and a more balanced, dramatic tone, to the overall story.

Good episode, horrible season. Let’s hope for a good ending. This season will be a decent to good film at a roughly 100 minutes, but a below decent season whether they stick the landing or not. A multitude of the episodes this season has been some of the worst television I’ve ever witnessed.

And yes, some of The Mandalorian and the upcoming television shows are trying to give The First Order and New Republic some soul. I appreciate the effort, but Disney need to hire some quality writers to structure their shows better. A lot better. Most of us care zero about The Sequel Trilogy, so to even raise curiosity for “general fans” that don’t delve deep into their other media (books and cartoons and animated shows) they need to have a better plan and way better dialogue and not bombard each individual episodes with random, forced lore that has been spread thin several episodes ago.

The Mandalorian has gone from a Sci-fi western with a parent protecting a child to “Bo Katan’s adventures with Mando” and “The Rise of the New Republic”.

If Ahsoka and their other upcoming shows keep to Mandalorian Season 3’s standard, I will be jumping off the bandwagon before they can say Bantha. But then again, I have no attachment to the Cartoon Shows and like my Star Wars epic, gritty, real and engaging.

PM sent.

Chapter II uploaded.

Season 2 at 1 hour and 59 minutes before credits.

Update

Chapter II of The Mandalorian is itching close. Need to do some final FX tweaks and audio transitions, and then we’re there. This is way more radical than the first - in a good way, as Season 2 is very good but all over the place structure-wise. Oh, and here’s the opening in case you’re curious;

https://streamable.com/9m7j4g

PMs sent.

I’ve heard it might be a challenge, but I like a challenge. So I’ll see. In worst case I’ll make two films out of the season.

And I’m very excited for your feedback!

UPDATE

Uploaded a new version, with Vranir’s suggestions as blueprint. Fixed bugs, some pacing issues and overhauled the entire ending. Didn’t agree with everything suggested - so not everything has been followed up on, but about 90-95% of it.

The ending is also way less 2001 Space Odyssey on a drugtrip. Now deeper, more linear and thought-provoking all the same. The Stranger and the witches-plotline also more fleshed out.

Oh, so they’ve taken Luke’s story and given it to Rey because his story was shat on? The force is female. I love it.

I wouldn’t trust them to build a campfire with a lighter and a blueprint, let alone build a new movie trilogy of films.

WitchDR said:

I love Rebels, but I’m getting Kenobi-vibes from this. I’m hoping this is decent, but seeing how the Mandoverse is a sinking ship at this point, this isn’t giving me much hope.

I just want a good conclusion to Ezra and Thrawn. It’s the only open thread I’m still interested in.

Agreed.

And I dislike the lightsabers - look like plastic toys from Toys’R Us. I hope they revisit them before release.

If Episode 1 has Kenobi w/ Deborah Chow directing levels of quality to it, I’ll stay away until the full season is released and probably cringe my way through. I hope it’s up and beyond the quality of that.

PMs sent. Remember, only the first entry is uploaded. The rest are in-the-works.

Happy Easter! 😃

More like watching a spoof created by drunk college students and done in post-production by a rich studio, you ask me, but each their own I guess.

The thing is the show went from a linear, engaging sci-fi western with a father protecting his kid and now it’s turned into a cringeworthy, all-over-the-place Disney world with the main characters in the background and side characters in the foreground and no clear obstacles or goals for the main characters to overcome or seek after. 😉

This is the worst Star Wars content and worst storytelling i´ve witnessed for years. No excuses.

Pedro should leave this shitshow befare they put Din Djarin through a gender swapping operation and retcon his story to reveal that the true hero of his story is in fact Mon Mothma.

The cringe om this episode. The Voice acting. The effects. The cinematography. The storytelling. THE DIALOGUE! The new characters! E V E R Y T H I N G was totally and utterly a complete failure. They even retconned Din Djarins path to save Mandalore that was heavily hinted at in season 2 and shifted it to a vague side character because… what? Shes fucking female? Star wars is dying.

Released:

The Mandalorian Chapter I is released and uploaded to my Google Drive. The film (season 1) runs at 1 hour and 50 minutes, with credits.

Mandalorian Chapter II (Season 2):

• Apart from all the major changes mentioned in the first post, the film will open with a cold opening on Coruscant and then a Grand Moff Gideon reintroduction to remind viewers of the stakes and make it clear what the evil guys are up to. Then we are reintroduced to Mando and Grogu, and their story start on Tattooine. The season is heavily restructured to fit into a film structure and I am pleased on how its shaping along. Soon to be released.

As for BoB:

• Book of Boba Fett will be restructured in chronological order. We will follow Boba from the Sarlacc Pit and up until present day. His film will most likely end when Mando gets introduced.
• Remove as much dialogue from Boba Fett as possible, to keep him less talkative and a man of few, and carefully selected, words.
• All cringe removed. Like, everything you can imagine. Slapstick, pig guards being useless,
• Boba Fett’s annoying sidekick Fennec is heavily reduced and tightened up as a character. I am never given a reason to care for her, know her or like her. The little character depth there is is in there, and she serves her purpose, but she doesn’t get to steal the sunshine in Boba Fett’s story nor talk 24/7 and say the most obvious things.

LucasMenz said:

So, how is this edit going? I’m really excited for it, specially after seeing the Alderaan explosion. It looks awesome.

Progress has been made, and I will release more videos and changes soon.

Djalucca said:

Hi ! Can I have a link to this fanedit please ?

V2 is not finished. V1 is found in the Google Drive.

Update

Work will slowly commence throughout this year.

WitchDR said:

I’ve always felt this show could be far more heavily edited than other edits I’ve seen. Even though it’s still in it’s infancy, this show is one that could be taken to a whole new level with changing dialogue with new A.I. voice lines. The shows consist of so many lip-flapping puppets and helmeted characters, it just seems ripe for something like that.

It’s not something you’ve listed you’d do, just something other edits haven’t taken advantage of when doing radical changes to the plot. Even though just a change in a line or two could trim so very much.

Anyways, your edit sounds like a fun new way to experience the shows! Can’t wait to check it out! 😄

Couldn’t agree more. And interesting thought. I’ve already done plenty of audio work with dialogue, but to create new, fitting pieces of dialogue strike me as both interesting and clever - if needed for a scene or a premise to work in the later films. I did some Dialogue Work on (was-in-the-works) V2 of The Ancient Lore with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon and it worked for certain scenes and allowed new interactions to be made. However, I hope for more improvements in the AI Voice department in the upcoming years for it to flow perfect.

However, as for Film I/Season I, I never found this an issue and removing stupid lines of dialogue - and following the less is more approach - a lot of interactions are heavily improved imo.

STAR WARS - THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE:

I’m making my own edits of the TV Series, and stealing the name “The Expanded Universe” because the TV Series expands on the Star Wars universe… and I’m making film edits of those series. So it’s like poetry, so it rhymes.

So, what’s this about?

I’m making my own fanedit universe (kind of like the Marvel universe i suppose). I’m making this solely for myself, my girlfriend and my family, but of course this lovely community is always welcome to take a bite if there’s something here to like (see what I did there?). It will all be on my Google Drive.

I have struggled to peak my interest in anything Star Wars-related these last years because of Star Wars fatigue and a complete lack of faith in Disney, not to mention my disdain for the Sequel Trilogy, but I feel that the TV Series has a lot of potential when you remove the overdose of all that’s bad. Also, there’s more material to work with, and Star Wars film edits have become tiresome and repedative.

Video Clips:

• The Mandalorian Chapter II Opening: https://streamable.com/9m7j4g

So, what am I doing?

I’m taking all the TV Shows (not watched Andor yet, heard it’s terrific - going to tackle it later) and turning them into suspenseful thrillers and/or dramas with heavy alterations;

I want a well-paced, suspenseful 2 hour-at-most film narrative of each of the Star Wars character’s stories that I can also enjoy with others without fatigue or having to invest six days to watch it because of 10 hours of filler or repedative dialogue and story points. I also want the character’s goals and struggles to be clear to the audience (unless it’s purposefully and intelligently kept back or untold) and I want suspenseful and interesting dialogue, characters and plot development. I DON’T want side quests, 10-minute lore expansions through dialogue and unintelligent dialogue or character decisions.

THE MAJOR ALTERATIONS:

• Filler scenes, sometimes filler episodes, are all but removed because I hate to try and enjoy a story and get bombarded with filler. The series contain non-stop Side Quests as if i was witness to an RPG playthrough rather than an engaging television show, so here I’ve put my scissors to work. Schnip-Schip, moddafokka!
• Forced lore expansion and dialogue. The Mandalorian’s backstory and lore is SLOWLY and sparingly revealed, as to not force it down the throat of people. And to be fair, it’s so thin and repedative that during Season 2 and 3 I almost fell asleep when they mentioned for the sixth time that you shouldn’t remove your helmet or that Mandalore fell. And more.
• Grogu’s Jedi Force Powers are kept as a surprise for the Third Act in Film I.
• Tone down the amount of times The Mandalorian need saving.
• Cringe dialogue, unecessary characters and heavy exposition are all removed throughout. Key characters to play a part later, like The Sherrif of Los Palmos or whatever, the “Last of Us Bodybuilder chick” / “The Shocktrooper” and Bill Burr, are just characters Mando knew from before and some dialogue have been removed and/or moved around to fill in the gaps and keep the story linear, paced and proper. Works wonders.
• Kept Tattooine as little in the overall film series as possible, because I’m utterly tired of it. And since it’s also the main location of Book of Boba and also Kenobi, KEEP IT OUT. For goodness’ sake. It’s out of Film I / Season 1 of Mando, short appearance in Season 2.
• A focus on clear First, Second and Third Act’s and a well-thought out film narrative. Focus on emotional weight, suspense and characters.

HOW WILL THIS BE TACKLED AND IN WHAT ORDER?

I’m doing the Mandalorian first, then Book of Boba, then Andor - but timeline-wise;

KENOBI - RUNTIME SEASON 1: 1 hour and 56 minutes (Finished May of last year) - --> FINISHED FILM
ANDOR - RUNTIME SEASON 1: NOT WORKED ON YET NOR WATCHED. WILL COME BACK.
MANDALORIAN - RUNTIME SEASON 1: 1 hour and 48 minutes (before credits) - --> FINISHED FILM
MANDALORIAN - RUNTIME SEASON 1: Will be under 2 hours -
BOOK OF BOBA - RUNTIME - Season 1: Will be under 2 hours
MANDALORIAN - RUNTIME S2/3 - BOOK OF BOBA’S MANDA STORY: Will be under 2 hours
MANDALORIAN - RUNTIME SEASON 3: Will be under 2 hours (perhaps even 1 hour and 30 - the season is useless thus far)
AHSOKA - RUNTIME SEASON 1: Will be under 2 hours.

In order to keep Grogu’s farewell to Din Djarin mean something and feel emotional and long, Book of Boba story and then Manda’s Book of Boba Story, will be in-between so that when you watch it in chronological order in a movie format it actually feels like a lot of time has passed.

FINISHED:

• Kenobi: A Star Wars Story (Chapter I) [Was done in MAY of 2022 as a seperate thing/fanedit that fits well in here]
• The Mandalorian - Chapter I (Season 1) [Finished]

WHERE TO FIND?

It is, and will all be, on my Google Drive. You must be a Disney+ subscriber and request over PMs.

WHAT HAVE I DONE BEFORE?

• The Ancient Lore
• Kenobi: A Star Wars Story
• Harry Potter Revisited
• Game of Thrones Film Edits
• Titanic Restructured
  … and more.

Oh, and I bothered to do subtitles this time around. Only done the first 23 minutes for Scream 3 (Scream 4 originally) due to mind fatigue, but the others are done and dusted.

Oh, and I will do a second version of Scream 3 Revisited (/Scream 4) with Cotton Weary’s murder being on the news later in the film.