During the part where Luke is blasting off in his ship to Bespin, Obi wan is talking to Yoda and says "He's our only hope", Yoda says "No there is another". What exactly did he mean by that? Was he referring to Luke's course of action and how it would change, or that there was another way to do things?
The other ended up becoming Leia. In Jedi Yoda whispers on his deathbed "there is another Skywalker"
Who knows what the original plan was.
I have read sort of other ideas vague notions of Luke having another sibling that is not Leia very far and remote in the galaxy, largely coming from something Kurtz one said.
There is also the idea that Hamill's character could be replaced if the actor was difficult or they decided to kill Luke off.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, Luke was the "only hope" to restore the Jedi Order. He didn't forget about Leia, but at the time of the Galactic Civil War, Leia was already embedded into a career in politics. Also coupled with being a leader of the Rebel Alliance, Leia wouldn't make time to devote into Jedi training.
Clearly it was Leia.
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Carthage said:
During the part where Luke is blasting off in his ship to Bespin, Obi wan is talking to Yoda and says "He's our only hope", Yoda says "No there is another". What exactly did he mean by that? Was he referring to Luke's course of action and how it would change, or that there was another way to do things?
The lines were as follows:
YODA
(sighs) Told you, I did. Reckless is he. Now matters are worse.
BEN
That boy is our last hope.
YODA
(looks up) No. There is another.
The context of this conversation is just after Luke rushed off to help his friends against their advice to stay and finish his training.
Remember Yoda was against his training but Obi-wan insisted. In Obi-wan's eyes Luke was their only hope in defeating the Emperor and Vader. Not knowing Yoda's secret about there being another Skywalker. Which he presumably reveals to Obi-wan offscreen following this scene.
During the writing of ESB, George had originally planned for a nine episode saga that could be stretched out to twelve if the box office was good enough.
Episode VII was originally going to be about Luke going off into the galaxy to find his long lost sister. But, after the stress of the ESB production Lucas decided to just cap the series off after just three. Which is why they shoehorned in the whole Leia is his sister stuff at the last minute.
obi wan was at the birth, he would always have known about Leia being Luke's sister wouldn't he?
almonkey said:
obi wan was at the birth, he would always have known about Leia being Luke's sister wouldn't he?
He couldn't have known about that until it was written years latter.
:p
almonkey said:
obi wan was at the birth, he would always have known about Leia being Luke's sister wouldn't he?
Meaning that Lucas bolloxed up his own story line when he made ROTS.
I'm surprised he didn't "fix" that in the blu-ray set, to insure that the OT matches the oh-so-important PT in every detail. The obvious improvement would be to replace Yoda's "no, there is another" line, with simply "nooooo!!!".
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G E Predator said:
As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, Luke was the "only hope" to restore the Jedi Order.
I find it bizarre and saddening that Lucas has brainwashed the fanbase into viewing everything through the lens of "Jedi" vs. "Sith."
Luke was the only hope for the restoration of GOOD, PEACE and JUSTICE--the "Jedi Order" was not an end of itself...or at all, for that matter. Star Wars is supposed to be a fantasy parable about Good vs. Evil, not the obsessive, self-referential, obscurantist ourobouros it has become.
I'll bet people think Obi-Wan was Leia's "only hope" to restore the "Council of 500" or some geeked-out bullshit that no one would possibly know about after watching the garbage movies, but would only learn about through obsessively poring over reams of EU nonsense.
Darth Id said:
G E Predator said:
As far as Obi-Wan was concerned, Luke was the "only hope" to restore the Jedi Order.
I find it bizarre and saddening that Lucas has brainwashed the fanbase into viewing everything through the lens of "Jedi" vs. "Sith."
My apologies, but I don't think Lucas has "brainwashed" any one. I simply believe that, even before the prequels, it was doubtful that Obi-Wan had any plans for Leia to be trained. She had spent most of her life involved in politics and serving as "a member of the Imperial Senate," as well as a leader of the Rebel Alliance. I'm not saying Leia couldn't be trained, but rather Obi-Wan didn't consider her to be trained (either because he wanted to keep her hidden in the event if Luke should fail or because he still abides by some of the Jedi Rules codes, such as "A Jedi cannot train more than once apprentice).
There's also the possibility that Obi-Wan did believe Leia was another new hope, but for restoring the Republic.
You might also say she was considered their "Plan B," yet Obi-Wan and Yoda hoped that it wouldn't be necessary.
Obi-Wan just didn't think of Leia as a credible hope, problem solved.
When ESB was produced in 1980, Obi-Wan didn't even know Leia was Luke's sister. I don't even think George knew that.
When they had Obi-Wan deliver the twins to Ben's farm in ROTS, nobody at Lucasfilm stopped and said: "oops, loss of continuity, we can't do it that way".
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
When ESB was produced in 1980, Obi-Wan didn't even know Leia was Luke's sister. I don't even think George knew that.
There was nothing to "know". It's one of the sloppiest, half-baked, last-minute, tacked-on, loose-end burning retcons in genre history.
When they had Obi-Wan deliver the twins to Ben's farm in ROTS, nobody at Lucasfilm stopped and said: "oops, loss of continuity, we can't do it that way".
They may have said that to themselves, but being the good Yes-Men they are, they kept their mouths shut.
I'm sure there were a few who said something, but when we find their bodies, no one can know.
Leia clearly had some "force" powers when she heard Luke calling her, post-duel, under Cloud City. Maybe she wasn't Luke's sister at that point, but I think she was the "other" Yoda referred to and it wasn't much of a stretch then in ROTJ to reveal she had acquired her abilities due to being part of the Skywalker clan.
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
When ESB was produced in 1980, Obi-Wan didn't even know Leia was Luke's sister. I don't even think George knew that.
When they had Obi-Wan deliver the twins to Ben's farm in ROTS, nobody at Lucasfilm stopped and said: "oops, loss of continuity, we can't do it that way".
He only delivered Luke to Owen's farm. ;)
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Mielr said:
Leia clearly had some "force" powers when she heard Luke calling her, post-duel, under Cloud City. Maybe she wasn't Luke's sister at that point, but I think she was the "other" Yoda referred to and it wasn't much of a stretch then in ROTJ to reveal she had acquired her abilities due to being part of the Skywalker clan.
It can be interpreted both ways. Leia was the only one Luke could try to contact because of the strong feelings between them. He knew something had happened to Han. It might have been dicey to try calling Chewie, and he certainly didn't know Lando.
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SilverWook said:
Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
When ESB was produced in 1980, Obi-Wan didn't even know Leia was Luke's sister. I don't even think George knew that.
When they had Obi-Wan deliver the twins to Ben's farm in ROTS, nobody at Lucasfilm stopped and said: "oops, loss of continuity, we can't do it that way".
He only delivered Luke to Owen's farm. ;)
Right - actually, I knew that. Mis-typed. The actual problem was his knowing that there were twins and being thusly involved in hiding them.
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SilverWook said:
Mielr said:
Leia clearly had some "force" powers when she heard Luke calling her, post-duel, under Cloud City. Maybe she wasn't Luke's sister at that point, but I think she was the "other" Yoda referred to and it wasn't much of a stretch then in ROTJ to reveal she had acquired her abilities due to being part of the Skywalker clan.
It can be interpreted both ways. Leia was the only one Luke could try to contact because of the strong feelings between them. He knew something had happened to Han. It might have been dicey to try calling Chewie, and he certainly didn't know Lando.
ROTJ could have been written such that ObiWan didn't know that Vader was Luke's father. It could have still been a showdown with the emperor, but also filled in some backstory via flashback, of how Anakin faked his death and ran off to the dark side as Vader.
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If we are talking OT continuity then "another" refers to Leia...
...but if we're talking PT continuity I have no bl**dy idea who Ben is referring to in that line. It can't be Leia because why would Yoda have to tell Ben that, they were both at the birth. Your guess is as good as mine???
Best just ignore the PT insanity.
Having said all that "another" could refer to an as yet unseen character in EpVII. I'm not sure if that would be "Oooooo goosebumps cool back refrence" or "Arrgghh stop messing with OT continuity"?
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The tread title has had me confused. I'm guessing it should say:
'What did Yoda mean?'
This subject seems to pop up often in Star Wars discussions and I'll never know why.
In ROTJ Obi-Wan says "The other he (Yoda) spoke of is your twin sister."
So, that's that.
What it originally meant when the Empire script was written is up to debate, but as far as the trilogy goes, he was talking about Leia.
Ryan McAvoy said:
"another" could refer to an as yet unseen character in EpVII.
Except that Obi-Wan has already let us know what Yoda was talking about.
=p
Even taking the prequels into account, it still makes sense that Obi Wan has cashed all his chips on Luke as opposed to Leia, even if that wasn't the original intention.
Luke has already had training in the force with Obi Wan and then Yoda. Was Obi Wan going to suddenly appear to Leia and go "Hey time to learn the force" Also Leia had some military training in that she could handle a blaster, but she wasn't much of a pilot or showed jedi skills like Luke.
Mind you that explanation is completely retcon stuff since Empire was written without Leia being the Other at all. But with the prequels taken into account it still makes sense that Obi Wan doesn't consider Leia to be a credible choice to suddenly become a master Jedi.
ratpack1961 said:
Even taking the prequels into account, it still makes sense that Obi Wan has cashed all his chips on Luke as opposed to Leia, even if that wasn't the original intention.
Luke has already had training in the force with Obi Wan and then Yoda. Was Obi Wan going to suddenly appear to Leia and go "Hey time to learn the force" Also Leia had some military training in that she could handle a blaster, but she wasn't much of a pilot or showed jedi skills like Luke.
Mind you that explanation is completely retcon stuff since Empire was written without Leia being the Other at all. But with the prequels taken into account it still makes sense that Obi Wan doesn't consider Leia to be a credible choice to suddenly become a master Jedi.
So, basically this. ;-)
