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Wow. I'm loving the cover Fritz. It's so retro! Can't wait for the one for Empire!
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Great cover! I also love that image up there with the AT-AT scene over the 2004 version. :)
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Great Cover and unlike the struzan Revenge later Retitled return poster the lightsaber luke is holding is green not red.
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
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Revised covers:
At this point, the discs are more or less finished.
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Again, excellent work! I get a kick out of seeing the Betamax logos on there as well. :)
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how can one go about getting the discs when they are finished finished?
P.S. I'm looking through your site now. Impressive stuff! I especially like that Betamax "SPFX" box. I didn't know there was one. Very classy-looking. That one of "The Great Heep" is cool, too!
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Ripplin said:
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how can one go about getting the discs when they are finished finished?
I'll send discs to a forum member who'll make them available in the usual manner. When they're available, he or I will note so in this thread.
I just retransferred Empire, with some tweaks to the tracking. That'll set the progress back a day or two, but nothing major.
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Video Collector said:
Ripplin said:
Sorry if I missed it somewhere, but how can one go about getting the discs when they are finished finished?
I'll send discs to a forum member who'll make them available in the usual manner. When they're available, he or I will note so in this thread.
I just retransferred Empire, with some tweaks to the tracking. That'll set the progress back a day or two, but nothing major.
That sounds good. I can't wait to get them eventually. By the way, I love the covers, especially Empire. The artwork feels so retro, yet so fresh for some reason.
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Video Collector said:
I'll send discs to a forum member who'll make them available in the usual manner. When they're available, he or I will note so in this thread.
I just retransferred Empire, with some tweaks to the tracking. That'll set the progress back a day or two, but nothing major.
Cool news! We appreciate you sharing your collection with us. Mighty nice of you.
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Fritz, I know that earlier you said that it seemed like the ESB bootleg was a transfer from a 35mm print. How do you know of this and are you sure that it's not a 70mm one? Did you check if it has any of the differences listed in this thread? Sorry I'm just curious. Oh and I echo Sluggo's sentiments: thanks so much for sharing your collection with us.
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Fritz, I know that earlier you said that it seemed like the ESB bootleg was a transfer from a 35mm print. How do you know of this and are you sure that it's not a 70mm one? Did you check if it has any of the differences listed in this thread?
He did.
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For what it's worth, the Moth3r and Catnap Widescreen 1977's are from different sources: (thanks ReverendBeastly)
Catnap -> (see hair on right side)
Moth3r ->
Watched half of the Catnap, and it suffers from the screen's blacks periodically shifting to blue. Anyone seen something like this and could conjecture a cause? What's nice about this Catnap version is there are color bars at the beginning and it has the full 20th Century Fox and Lucasfilm logos, which the other SW's don't have. Compared to Moth3r's, the Catnap is cropped high at the bottom and left, and has a tad more screen on the right side.
The full Catnap discussion starts from this post:
It's also PAL (01:56:30), was attempting to watch Moth3r's, Catnap's and the 77_ANH_BOOTLEG at the same time to determine differences and every 10 second you need to do a stop/start to keep it on pace with the others. With all the audio's slightly off it's kinda eerie.
Because the quality of the pan/scan bootlegs is so poor, is there a possibility that these widescreen ones could be the source of the pan/scan. Would they have recorded off a tv or was there some VHS process to zoom in?
What issues does everyone recommend people pay attention to or look out for, when watching? Can be a general recording issue or some specific for any of the movies.
Anyone got experience with bin/cue files? Using a Toast trick can get to the MPG, but even VLC won't play it on the mac side, need to try it out on some PCs.
Added:
2002.05.xx : CTP (3 bin/cue)
2002.05.xx : Cinema (ep2a/b.mpg)
--Might be same as "starwars.ep2cd1&2.mpg"
Have a lead on another RotJ.
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LexX said:
The Aluminum Falcon said:
Fritz, I know that earlier you said that it seemed like the ESB bootleg was a transfer from a 35mm print. How do you know of this and are you sure that it's not a 70mm one? Did you check if it has any of the differences listed in this thread?
He did.
Oh sorry about that I didn't know.
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The Aluminum Falcon said:
Fritz, I know that earlier you said that it seemed like the ESB bootleg was a transfer from a 35mm print. How do you know of this and are you sure that it's not a 70mm one? Did you check if it has any of the differences listed in this thread? Sorry I'm just curious. Oh and I echo Sluggo's sentiments: thanks so much for sharing your collection with us.
Well, it's mostly conjecture on my part. As you now know, the Falcon's dish is present in the Luke-on-the- weather-wane-shot.
Also, the likelyhood of a 70mm print going astray, and that some fly-by-night operation would have the equipment to scan it is improbable. I am also unsure if any 70mm prints were shipped to the UK (The print has a UK rating card lead-in).
In the new Making of Empire book, I read that due to the film only being shown in 70mm the first couple of weeks(?), the usual pirating of 35mm prints was staved off. I was not aware that copying of 35mm film was a common mode of piracy at the time. That opens up the possibility that what I have is a telecine of a pirated print, one generation removed from an actual exhibition print.
Progress report:
I've finished my second transfer of ESB, greatly reducing the wobble and finetuning the analog tracking in the process. I've mixed and matched my two transfers to keep the best of both. I am left with some intermittent interlace artefacts in the encode to DVD, but will have to let that pass. If I ever intend to get this out the door I'm going to have to stop fiddling with it.
Jedi suffers from extreme blocking when encoded at 4-5 mbps, due to the extremely noisy source. Doing a dual-layer release would avoid this, but I don't see the point. I have tried a half D1 encode, removing much of the blocking but also softening what little detail was there in the original. At this point I'm leaning towards just releasing it as-is.
Covers are done, menus are done, (The most enjoyable part of the process to me).
You know, I'm sympathizing more and more with people like Harmy and Puggo who have done several releases. It takes forever to get these things done.
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Nice to read your progress on the bootlegs, thanks for the effort you put into getting these more watchable, I'm greatly looking forward to this!
none, to me it looks like they still could be from the same source.
Damn how much picture information the Catnap-transfer have to the right in this sequence! I knew Moth3r's bootleg was cropped, but I never thought it was that much.
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The 3po shot is giving a false impression of the amount on the right cropping. Here are two more examples:
Moth3r -> (look at lights in upper right corner)
Catnap ->
And to get a sense of the bottom cropping:
Moth3r ->
Catnap ->
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Yeah, you're right. Definitely a different source.
We want you to be aware that we have no plans—now or in the future—to restore the earlier versions.
Sincerely, Lynne Hale publicity@lucasfilm.com
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Here's the Catnap Walrus Man intro shot, which is a few seconds. Seems as if any new shot starts black, then a lighting adjustment function over compensates pushing the blacks to blue, and as the shot continues it settles somewhere inbetween.
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Moth3r, how are things going with getting your bootleg available as a DVD?
I'd also like to see the Catnap version. Either of these would be great to complete my Theater Performance set.
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I sent the source discs to none. I believe he is intending to post them to the newsgroup "as is".
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Moth3r wrote:
post them to the newsgroup "as is".
This goes for any of the ones mentioned in the first post, that can be tracked down, no guarantees. For those without access to newsgroups, an alternative is being considered. That option will not be discussed in thread posts because of the rules of OriginalTrilogy.com. Which is why there is a PM function. Personally I dislike posts asking for copies. For me it shows more interest if you ask a question or comment about the issues involved in the thread. Those that have will be notified as this process evolves.
From the first post, none wrote:
Would like to collect'n'zip'n'bundle these for those rejects interested. ((pl1x@earthlink.net))
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I’m taking an awful chance Vader. This had better work.
That's probably a bad quote to go with...
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Wow so I guess there are three theatrical Star Wars bootlegs (pan and scan, Moth3r, Catnap)! The Catnap looks distinctly different than Moth3r's. I was wondering if it was known for sure which run of Star Wars these bootlegs came from. I know Star Wars had more theatrical runs in 1978 and 1979. Are we sure that these come from the original '77 run? I'm just curious. I know that there were no changes between the pre-81 runs but I think that a bootleg made during the original '77 run would qualify most as a theatrical performance preservation. These are just my thoughts. Also, the Moth3r bootleg and the Catnap bootleg both have the 35mm soundtrack albeit folded to mono, right?
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Lead on another Star Wars. 1993.02.01
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.starwars/browse_thread/thread/4b1b243c716c4462/1f8c66e95aab3706?hl=pt&q=%22star+wars%22+%22bootleg%22#1f8c66e95aab370
I've seen ads in Comic Buyers Guide for a Star Wars Bootleg copy with
different angles on some scenes and no opening credits. What can anyone
tell me about this? I think the asking price was $24.95 or something.
same posters tries asking again for info:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.sf.starwars/browse_thread/thread/a9e37f71ff75d28a/df35e2f2ec7b6927?hl=pt&q=%22star+wars%22+%22bootleg%22#df35e2f2ec7b6927
But this lead could be false, as I would guess those CBG ads didn't get vetted, at all, so it could be a fake. There are some phunnie fakes offered up in some usenet posts. Remember being tempted but the descriptions were too good to be true, and the usenet populace would quickly respond with 'scam' warnings.
The Aluminum Falcon wrote:
I was wondering if it was known for sure which run of Star Wars these bootlegs came from.
Informations going to be difficult to come by at this point, unless someone close to the source wants to discuss. After the first round of viewing and discussing, the collective questions which don't have adequate answers can be forwarded towards the people who offered up these versions.
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SW1977 Beta tape lead:
Back in 1977 when it first came out, we saw it at the theater 3 or 4
times; bought it blackmarket on Beta tape; then with friends and family
always wanting to watch it, I quit counting how many times I've watched
it after the 77th viewing.
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Hey it's this thread except over a decade earlier: 1997.11.11
Hey,
This is and can be considered a slightly off topic post in some areas,
but here goes. I am interested to find ANY of the three Star Wars
movies (Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi) in any of
the below: (ALL must be from the reel directly or from a theater, like
when a guy takes a videocam into the theater to bootleg it for resale
or his own use)
@ Original Theater Releases (especially opening day/week)
@ Re-Releases
@ Special Editions
@ Private Showings
@Etc, whatever I missed, but not from the videos! (or from like HBO
or whatever)
I know, I know, you're all thinking I'm a idiotic nut who should just
buy the videos. I have the videos. I need the bootlegs.
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Some internet folklore perspective of the RotJ boot:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies/browse_thread/thread/f6a5e67aa89c1bdc/86fcaa5d8d5003d1?hl=pt&q=bootleg+%22return+of+the+jedi%22#86fcaa5d8d5003d1
Actually, it is mostly true. Even though it is easier to go the Middle East and
bribe the projectionist to leave the films out by the back door (this is how
Return of the Jedi pirate videos showed up while the movie was still showing).
The camcorder thing is rather funny, the "media" (spec. American) claim this practise is more common in the whole of Asia (Middle-East, South and East Assia). I have heard rumors of it being done in North America but the news story didn't give any specific cities, places, movies or culprits. Not even the investigating agency! :-)
Same thread, mention of the cropped SW:
I saw this for myself in 1980 - a copy of Star Wars that had been videocammed from within the theater, thanks to a friend who had excellent ties with the local entertainment community. The movie looked OK on the TV set except that the edges were cropped since my friend just set the camera up on the movie screen, centering it on the top and bottom, as opposed to the sides.
Same thread, investigation story:
I recently discoveredthat I was part of an investigation in the mid-80s - some bootleg tapes were showing up, and by tracking and cross-referencing the lot numbers from the video tapes, and what cities the features were playing in, they'd narrowed it down to about five theatres in the US. It turned out that a kid working at a theatre in Dallas had a brother who worked for a video production company, and he was the culprit. They were apprehended quite by accident - they stiffed one their cohorts, she overheard discussion of the investigation in a shopping mall food court. In retaliation she went over, introduced herself, and layed out the whole story.
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Lead on a SW audio theatrical preservation:
Not an option for me. I tried to watch it the last time USA ran it. For
one thing, my USA cuts in and out at random intervals; for another, the
cuts were just too damn distracting.(Little voice from the newsgroup: "What cuts? I didn't notice any
cuts!")Well, kids, you see, it's this way. Sit down, children, Grandma's going
to tell you a story.[old-fartess mode ON]
'Way back in the 1970s and early 1980s, when the Star Wars movies were
[old-fartess mode OFF]
first released, there was no such thing as "waiting for it to come out on
cassette." Home video recorders were rare and expensive items, hard to
come by, kind of like lightsabers. This is why the first Star Wars movie
-- back before it was called "A New Hope" -- played in some theaters for a
year or more: because the fans wanted to see it again, over and over, and
*that was the only way they could see it*. And when you heard someone
speak of "my tape of Star Wars," it meant that they had done what I did --
taken a portable *audio*cassette recorder into the theater and recorded
the sound.
So I know the entire audio track by heart. A couple of different
versions of it, in fact (echo in the chasm?). And when I watched the USA
broadcast, I couldn't help but notice that, while all the spoken dialogue
was in its proper place, there had been many small cuts *between* lines.
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When and where is this "Theater Performance Preservations Set" available?