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The Star Wars: The Lost Workprint (Version 4 in Production)

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I posted this on another thread yesterday...

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A fake workprint would be fun actually. Like a scratchy, flickering 8mm black n white movie-ola cut. With all the footage cut back in and old WW2 newsreel/film footage used for the FX shots, with the odd "FX missing" intertitle and rough splices instead of smooth wipes. That would be a blast to watch. Kinda like this...

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Been thinking since yesterday it would be a lot of fun to put together.  But I'd need help from everyone sourcing all the footage that could be used.

I need links and suggestions to extra snippets of material that could be used. Obviously all the BR deleted material would be used but what other footage exists from documentaries and bloopers and the like that could be used.  Post me YouTube links that I can rip, or just tell me where in my SW boxset I should look to rip the footage.

I also need suggestions for old "temp/animatic" footage from vintage WW2 films for the FX shots.  The dambusters and 663 squadron are a start. But I need specific shots that closely match the framing and movement of the original FX. Ships would have to be consistent I imagine...

Lancaster bomber = the falcon

Spitfire/hurricane = x-wings

Bi-planes = Tie fighters?????? (Because of the double wing similarity) or German WW2 fighters?????

What the hell would a star destroyer be... zeppelins????

I could also use b&w scans of matte paintings to represent the death star and planets.

Also how would the opening credits look.  A static text intertitle?

I'm thinking, chop it down to 16:9 ratio (Rather than full widescreen), to give it a more immediate and warmer feel but more importantly this will also mean that the old 4:3 WW2 footage wouldn't need cropping so much.

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Just ideas for SW/ANH for now please. But if it comes off I'll be doing ESB and ROTJ for sure.

Post me links and screenshots of your suggestions!!

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Also check my new PT Star Wars:Reborn edit at:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Ryans-Star-Wars-Reborn-PT-fanedit-Changelist-for-TPM-added-PM-for-links/topic/15441/

IF YOU CONTRIBUTE TO AN IDEA I USE IN THIS THREAD, I'LL ADD YOU TO THE CREDITS!

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Ronster said:

Silent movie with John williams score... Only the most important lines would need text to tell the story... even have the footage slightly speeded up.

replace CSPO for the robot in metropolis

Not keen on the silent idea for this project*, want it to be fun in a grindhouse sorta way and the music and sound effects ARE star wars for me.

But using the robot woman from metroplois is an interesting idea.

*Would love to see SW done as a silent movie. Another great idea for a fan edit. Sped up to silent speed, 4:3 ratio, intertitles, cut down to an hour. Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

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What is the best fan reconstruction of SW Theatrical in full HD?

I just tried a test using my Theatrical DVD. Because of the low res digital compresion when I aplied the scuzzy aging filter it looked awful in an unpleasent digital way... not awful in a cool degraded film stock sorta way.

The still test above is done on a rip of the BR and looks nice. But I don't wanna base this project on the SE.

Another idea:

WW2 Battleships for Stardestroyers (And mon cal cruisers in ROTJ)?

PLUS!!!

Anyone have (If it exists) a copy of the Jabba in falcon hanger deleted scene without digi-slug-Jabba?

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Ryan McAvoy said:


What is the best fan reconstruction of SW Theatrical in full HD?
Harmy has the best reconstruction, though there are upscales of the Laserdisc that work better than the GOUT DVD.

Also might look into using Puggo's 8mm, as its already crappy looking. (no offense to Puggo)

Anyone have (If it exists) a copy of the Jabba in falcon hanger deleted scene without digi-slug-Jabba?
Such a thing does not exist. Only Jambe Davdar's "Star Wars Begins" has been able to reconstruct it, but it switches between a dozen or so sources, including an Entertainment Tonight credits sequence.

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Thanks 005,

Getting a torrents of SW:Begins and despecialised ed now

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daneditor said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

*Would love to see SW done as a silent movie. Another great idea for a fan edit. Sped up to silent speed, 4:3 ratio, intertitles, cut down to an hour. Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

It's been done by TMBTM:

http://fanedit.org/ifdb/component/content/article/80-fanedit-listings/fanmix/94-star-wars-30-s-silent-edition-part-1-dusty-version

Yes that looks exactly like I imagined! Colour tinting DW Griffith style. I was considering the black fringe for the workprint but decided I didn't like it

This clip captures the silent idea perfectly..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOjzLggAKis

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fishmanlee said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Wonder if there is a SW score on piano album?

have this guy do it ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCu60yZmp4

Lovely piece of music. But I'm not actually gonna do a silent vesion

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Click the image above to watch a little test of how the workprint might look...

(It's a bit low-res mind you, to get it up on Vimeo)

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SpilkaBilka said:

Very cool!  What's the source of Red Leader's "I met your father..." lines?  Obviously that wasn't included in the SE.  Is it from Behind the Magic?

thx, it's from the blu-ray deleted material

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Click the image below to see a video of how the workprint opening is taking shape...

I really need some help now with idea for alternate "Temp" footage of the model shots. Especially the star destroyer looming past the camera. What could I replace it with?

A train, a zeppelin, a tank, a U-boat, a battleship???

If you know of an old WWII film that's got a shot you think will work, post me a reply.

 

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I am very excited about this edit.  It is something I wanted to do but I don't have the expertise.  I have been suggesting it for years hoping someone would tackle it eventually.

 

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RIJIR said:

I am very excited about this edit.  It is something I wanted to do but I don't have the expertise.  I have been suggesting it for years hoping someone would tackle it eventually.

 

Thanks! That's encourging to hear.

I know exactly where I'm going with this edit but I need hundreds of shots from WW2 films, planes, trains, tanks, battleships or whatever to serve as pretend animatics for all the space sequences.

They have to match the speed, direction and framing of the shots in the film. If you can think of any you (Or anybody) has seen in a war movie let me know. That'll be one less piece of the jigsaw I have to find!

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I like this sort of edit.  I've always meant to try out TMBTM's edit, though I haven't yet.  Ryan, I know I've seen that older version of the opening crawl a hundred times, but I can't remember where one would find it.  What's the source?  Empire of Dreams?

The ROTJ collaborative thread is a wealth of ideas, both on how to edit Return of the Jedi, as well as how to collaborate in an edit.

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Or even shots from other pre-'77 sci-fi films??

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darth_ender said:

I like this sort of edit.  I've always meant to try out TMBTM's edit, though I haven't yet.  Ryan, I know I've seen that older version of the opening crawl a hundred times, but I can't remember where one would find it.  What's the source?  Empire of Dreams?

It's from Jambe Davdar's inventive Star Wars Begins fan doc. I will be drawing on that for a few stray deleted shots.  I will of course have to thank him/her.

Naturally anyone who can contribute ideas on this thread will get a credit.

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Ah, that must be where I've seen it.  Love that video!  But did he design it himself, or was it taken from an official Star Wars source?

The ROTJ collaborative thread is a wealth of ideas, both on how to edit Return of the Jedi, as well as how to collaborate in an edit.

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darth_ender said:

Ah, that must be where I've seen it.  Love that video!  But did he design it himself, or was it taken from an official Star Wars source?

No idea, sorry...

Also I need links to paintings like this...

...to replace space establishing shots (Though obviously the above is from ROTJ). I can then make them B&W and apply aging filters

 

 

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fishmanlee said:

I know you kind of want to keep the score, but you could replace some cues with the classical music that would have been used as temp.

Think that's the idea that 'War Of The Stars' sprang from. I am very, very tempted to use some epic classical music.

Ride of the valkyries as the x-wings swoop onto the death star.

Some of Holst's planet suite (Mars bringer of war!) JW ripped this off shamelessly anyway.

Montagues and capulets

I will probably try this idea at some point while I'm working on the edit.

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Some Stravinski might work too, The Rite of Spring ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1tn7WJ9lRc )

Miklos Rosza's Ivanhoe

Alex North's Cleopatra

Bernard Herrman's Hitchcock scores

Korngold's Sea Hawk/Kings Row

Dvo?ák's New World Symphony

Bruckner’s Ninth Symphony

Pucini's Manon Lescaut's "Intermezzo"

Vivaldi's Winter (it may have been used in the Temp track for the film as well as being in the trailer)

these are just a few pieces to use as a starting point.

John Williams score to Return of the Jedi Remastered/Remixed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/JOHN-WILLIAMS-Star-Wars-Episode-VI-Return-of-the-Jedi-Remastered-Edition/topic/14606/page/1/

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