Another Russian Hobbit!
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Tolkien's Fall of Arthur will be published this year and i highly doubted it would ever happen. Now if only the longer Beren and Luthien can be published or his renderings of Beowulf and Commentaries.
I still have to pick up his longer originally unpublished on fairy stories essay published in the united kingdom but not the US.
Also hoping his beowulf and the Critics essay not the shorter version gets reprinted.
Was really disappointing that the audiobook version of Sigurd and Gudrun never came out despite the trailer i have the book and it is quite good.
Already have read the entirely of the history of middle earth, unfinished tales, Children Of Hurin, history of the hobbit etc. Makes me wonder what other manuscripts are yet to be discovered by Christopher Tolkien,lol.
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News on the Hobbit Extended Edition front:
*US & UK Release Date will be October 22 for digital download, and November 5 for DVD and BluRay sets.
*This cut is extended by thirteen minutes of additional footage.
*Bonus features are set to run about 9 hours, and include the following:
* The Filmmakers' Commentary - Director/writer/producer Peter Jackson and writer/co-producer Philippa Boyens provide their perspective and stories on creating the first film.
* New Zealand: Home of Middle-Earth - From Matamata to Queenstown, travel with Peter Jackson and his team across the stunning locations of New Zealand, transformed by the filmmakers into Middle-Earth.
* The Appendices Part 7: A Long-Expected Journey - A 14-part chronological history of the filming of An Unexpected Journey, covering pre-production in the various departments of the film in the months leading up to the start of principal photography, the boot camp training for the main cast, and the work done on set chronologically through the three shooting blocks and in the world of its digital effects. Chapters include:
-The Journey Back to Middle-Earth
-Riddles in the Dark: Gollum's Cave
-An Unexpected Party: Bag End
-Roast Mutton: Trollshaws Forest
-Bastion of the Greenwood: Rhosgobel
-A Short Rest: Rivendell and London
-Over Hill: The Misty Mountains
-Under Hill: Goblin Town
-Out of the Frying Pan: The Forest Ledge
-Return to Hobbiton: The Shire
-The Epic of Scene 88: Strath Taieri
-The Battle of Moria: Azanulbizar
-Edge of the Wilderland: Pick-ups and the Carrock
-Home Is Behind, the World Is Ahead
* The Appendices Part 8: Return to Middle-Earth - Another selection of documentaries and featurettes await, further detailing the development, design and production of An Unexpected Journey:
* The Company of Thorin - Explores the characters and backgrounds of the five families of dwarves and the company of actors chosen to play Thorin's company on the Quest of the Lonely Mountain. Chapters include:
-Assembling the Dwarves
-Thorin, Fili & Kili
-Balin & Dwalin
-Oin & Gloin
-Dori, Nori & Ori
-Bifur, Bofur & Bombur
* Mr. Baggins: The 14th Member - A revealing look at the film's charismatic and talented lead actor, Martin Freeman.
* Durin's Folk: Creating the Dwarves - Reveals the journey and process of designing, conceptualizing and physically realizing the dwarves in The Hobbit.
* The Peoples and Denizens of Middle-Earth - Focuses on the realization of new characters and creatures encountered in the first film, from casting to characterization to physical and digital design. Chapters include:
-The Stone Trolls
-Radagast the Brown
-Goblins
-Azog the Defiler
* Realms of the Third Age: From Bag End to Goblin Town - Follows the creation of the Middle-Earth locations from conceptual design to set and prop building to fully digital realities. Realms explored include:
-Hobbiton
-Rhosgobel
-The Misty Mountains
-Goblin Town
* The Songs of The Hobbit - A look at the realization of Tolkien's songs in An Unexpected Journey.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, the bonus material sounds very pleasing and I'm sure PJ et al will do/have done a good job on extended the cut. On the other hand...only 13 minutes? Seems pretty skimpy compared to the LOTR extended editions, which all had 30+ minutes of additional footage. I suppose overall I'm eager for this release, but it just seems a lot cheaper than the LOTR counterparts. Substantially less additional footage, only one audio commentary track (IMO, the cast commentary, which will not be present on this release, was one of the most entertaining features on the LOTR EEs), and the box art is extremely unremarkable:
Links to a couple of news articles, including a preview of one of the extended scenes:
http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/the-hobbit--an-unexpected-journey-deleted-scene--exclusive--065952595.html
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=11784
Thoughts?
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I'm with you AK. I'm glad I waited, but it doesn't seem as INCREDIBLE. I will withhold judgment until I have it in hand though.
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I wander why Dale has a bigger visual scale than Minas Tirith... similar to what happened with the PT technology being more advanced than the OT in star wars...
Or Erebor being greater or richer than Moria...mithril!
Well, atleast the 2D EE Bluray cover art is much better than what we got on the 2D theatrical.
Mithrandir said:
or richer than Moria...mithril!
Erebor in glory vs. Moria in Decline....
The reason the EE is so short, is because the Theatrical is so long.
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And because the book is so short. Did we really think he could pump 3 3.5 hour movies out of The Hobbit?fishmanlee said:
The reason the EE is so short, is because the Theatrical is so long.
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doubleofive said:
And because the book is so short. Did we really think he could pump 3 3.5 hour movies out of The Hobbit?fishmanlee said:
The reason the EE is so short, is because the Theatrical is so long.
And the Appendices, and Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-Earth series..
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fishmanlee said:
doubleofive said:
And because the book is so short. Did we really think he could pump 3 3.5 hour movies out of The Hobbit?fishmanlee said:
The reason the EE is so short, is because the Theatrical is so long.
And the Appendices, and Unfinished Tales, The History of Middle-Earth series..
Just the appendices. They have the rights to anything in the books LOTR & Hobbit, but nothing from the other books.
^That's correct.
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I don't think Ungoliant was mentioned in the Appendices...?
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fishmanlee said:
I don't think Ungoliant was mentioned in the Appendices...?
This is why some of the references surprise me.
Yeah, good point. I'm not sure how they got away with that one. Maybe the reasoning is that, if anyone were to press the issue, they could argue that they're not referring specifically to the character in The Silmarillion, but just using the term generically since "Ungoliant" is simply "dark spider" in Sindarin.
(Yeah, seems like a stretch to me, too...)
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fishmanlee said:
Erebor in glory vs. Moria in Decline....
Yes, that could be a point about how well the stances look, but i don't think the scale and amount of rooms could be justified by it. Even goblin town looks bigger than Moria from FOTR.
That said, the most outstanding case would be Dale looking as big as Minas Tirith. Speaking of which, the architecture and materials used in Dale look more mediterranean, and more southern than those from the south of middle earth.
Say what you will, all of you, but while I love the simplicity of The Hobbit novel, I thoroughly enjoy the added plotlines of the films. Just got done with The Desolation of Smaug for the second time, and I still love it, cheesy barrel scenes and all! I still haven't seen The Battle of Five Armies, but I hope I will love it as well. I appreciate the different takes. Not too bad, IMHO.
I've yet to see the third movie as well, but I love what I've seen so far. There are small details I don't like (one being the romance between Kili and that elf), but overall, I was quite happy with the way the films were done. I'm rather pleased about the length, unlike many, for the reason that just about everything from the book ends up on film. Too often, moments in the books that I really like don't make it into the movies, since the movie would otherwise be too long. If they'd adapted The Hobbit into a single film, I'm sure they would have had to cut a large number of things that I was glad to see, like Beorn, for instance.
So I just watched The Battle of the Five Armies and I loved it as well. I even don't mind the Kili/Tauriel romance. Bearing in mind that The Hobbit predated The Lord of the Rings by about a dozen years, I very much enjoyed how incidental points like the Necromancer, later implied to be Sauron but never developed in the story or in Tolkein's mind till later, are tied so well together. I'm going to have to watch the LOTR films now, and I'll have to reread the books I think.
Oh, and I wanted to say that I think Martin Freeman as Bilbo is far superior to Elijah Wood as Frodo. Frodo was never terribly compelling in in the films in my mind, but was supported by more interesting and noble characters like Samwise.
With all the grumping I see on FE.org about the Hobbit films, it's nice to read when people actually enjoy them.
I don't even read those threads because I think the films are great as is. They may not be perfect, but they're great to me. Too often a fan edit that changes one thing for the better makes two for the wise, and I think The Hobbit films are already great.
darth_ender said:
I don't even read those threads
I don't have that luxury. ;-)
I think Peter Jackson is a monster rapist for what he did to LOTR/The Hobbit (but mostly the latter). The more you read the books, the more you realize that they are some of the least faithful adaptations ever done since Roland Joffe's The Scarlet Letter. Jackson deserves at least a minor stroke for what he did. And don't think the rest of Tolkein's works are safe; that crass bastard will do anything in his power to get his hands on the Silmarillion.
I think you've confused crime against art with actual crimes.
At least I read the book, unlike Jackson, who just skimmed the table of contents at his local bookstore and made six movies out of it. I mea he gives more screen time to Aragorn than to Frodo; he spends more time on Helm's Deep and cuts out the Scouring Of the Shire; he reduces Bilbo into little more than a Watson cameo over three movies. This doesn't mean the movies were bad or unimportant, but they can never be truly Tolkein films. I think PJ just slapped on Lord Of the Rings for brand recognition and made up his own fantasy story. The only thing he could have done worse is dig up JRR Tolkein's remains for his necrophilia fetish.
generalfrevious said:
I think Peter Jackson is a monster rapist
On behalf of anyone who has every been raped, fuck you.