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TheBoost said:
xhonzi said:
But it's sort of a joke. "ONLY a Sith deals in ABSOLUTES" Is Obi-Wan a Sith then? (We're discussing this in the Politics thread right now!)
Let me break it down for you: If he said, "Usually, or at an overwhelming percentage, a one dealing in absolutes is a Sith, but occaisonally he is a Jedi instead." Then the line would be fine. But since he uses the absolutist language of "Only a Sith..." he was, himself, dealing in absolutes.
That's really taking it too literally. His statement was a direct response to Anakin's "You're with me or you're my enemy."
Also, given the context, the question was was Anakin a Sith or a Jedi, not what was Anakin in the context of a near limitless ammount of things that may or may not deal in absolutes.
THAT was the kind of absolute he was dealing with. It's a statement about competing philosophy, not a word game like "This sentence is a lie."
No it's not taking it too literally. A statement that only Sith deal in absolutes, coming from a jedi is dumb, because it's an absolute. That's just plain obvious. Plus the jedi are very into absolutes, which makes it even dumber. The whole thing was just more of how the jedi are idiots and hypocrites in the prequels.
Akwat Kbrana said:
bkev said:
skyjedi2005 said:
I will start the thread off, you guys can add others if you like.
Episode III:
"only a sith deals in absolutes"- Obi wan Kenobi
I actually don't mind this line. Makes sense that in someone's anger they might only see black and white. Of course, it would have gone better in a different context.
But it makes absolutely no sense. As Xhonzi pointed out, the statement is philosophically self-defeating (it's like "there are no absolutes...absolutely none!"). Moreover, it's demonstrably absurd: check out the different ways Jedi and Sith philosophy is presented throughout the PT, and you'll find it's actually exactly opposite what Obi-Wan claims. The Jedi only see black and white, while the Sith are all about playing in the shadowy grey areas. Recall Palpatine's line in you will: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power." Sounds a lot more like moral relativism than dogmatic absolutism to me.
So, George managed to paint a perfectly clear picture of relativistic Sith and thoroughly absolutist Jedi, but then in his desire to shoehorn a Bush-bash into his last Star Wars movie, simultaneously demonstrated that he doesn't even understand the core beliefs and methods of the very characters and movements he created. Strange, innit?
I agree.