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TheBoost said:

xhonzi said:

 

But it's sort of a joke.  "ONLY a Sith deals in ABSOLUTES"  Is Obi-Wan a Sith then?  (We're discussing this in the Politics thread right now!)

Let me break it down for you: If he said, "Usually, or at an overwhelming percentage, a one dealing in absolutes is a Sith, but occaisonally he is a Jedi instead." Then the line would be fine.  But since he uses the absolutist language of "Only a Sith..." he was, himself, dealing in absolutes.

 That's really taking it too literally. His statement was a direct response to Anakin's "You're with me or you're my enemy."

Also, given the context,  the question was was Anakin a Sith or a Jedi, not what was Anakin in the context of a near limitless ammount of things that may or may not deal in absolutes.

THAT was the kind of absolute he was dealing with. It's a statement about competing philosophy, not a word game like "This sentence is a lie."

No it's not taking it too literally. A statement that only Sith deal in absolutes, coming from a jedi is dumb, because it's an absolute. That's just plain obvious. Plus the jedi are very into absolutes, which makes it even dumber. The whole thing was just more of how the jedi are idiots and hypocrites in the prequels.

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skyjedi2005 said:


I will start the thread off, you guys can add others if you like.

Episode III:

"only a sith deals in absolutes"- Obi wan Kenobi

I actually don't mind this line. Makes sense that in someone's anger they might only see black and white. Of course, it would have gone better in a different context.

 

But it makes absolutely no sense. As Xhonzi pointed out, the statement is philosophically self-defeating (it's like "there are no absolutes...absolutely none!"). Moreover, it's demonstrably absurd: check out the different ways Jedi and Sith philosophy is presented throughout the PT, and you'll find it's actually exactly opposite what Obi-Wan claims. The Jedi only see black and white, while the Sith are all about playing in the shadowy grey areas. Recall Palpatine's line in you will: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power." Sounds a lot more like moral relativism than dogmatic absolutism to me.

So, George managed to paint a perfectly clear picture of relativistic Sith and thoroughly absolutist Jedi, but then in his desire to shoehorn a Bush-bash into his last Star Wars movie, simultaneously demonstrated that he doesn't even understand the core beliefs and methods of the very characters and movements he created. Strange, innit?

 I agree.

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"Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo, so long ago, when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war."

Let's rephrase that...

"Hold me like you did by the lake on Naboo, so long ago, when we made the audience barf up their lunch."

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And there's Kenobi's line about how Anakin was the Chosen one and was supposed to bring balance to the force, not leave it in darkness.

Lol. Kenobi, you halfwit, you actually bought that Chosen One/balancing the force crap?

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Akwat Kbrana said:

 

But it makes absolutely no sense.

Only a Sith deals in absolutes!

(I'll assume you did that on purpose.)

And...

You're beginning to sound like a Separatist!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

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Akwat Kbrana said:

But it makes absolutely no sense. As Xhonzi pointed out, the statement is philosophically self-defeating (it's like "there are no absolutes...absolutely none!"). Moreover, it's demonstrably absurd: check out the different ways Jedi and Sith philosophy is presented throughout the PT, and you'll find it's actually exactly opposite what Obi-Wan claims. The Jedi only see black and white, while the Sith are all about playing in the shadowy grey areas. Recall Palpatine's line in you will: "The Sith and the Jedi are similar in almost every way, including their quest for greater power." Sounds a lot more like moral relativism than dogmatic absolutism to me.

So, George managed to paint a perfectly clear picture of relativistic Sith and thoroughly absolutist Jedi, but then in his desire to shoehorn a Bush-bash into his last Star Wars movie, simultaneously demonstrated that he doesn't even understand the core beliefs and methods of the very characters and movements he created. Strange, innit?

Damnit, you beat me to the punch.  I thought this exact same thing over dinner last night!  Whether or not you think the Jedi dogma is good or bad, it's very much absolutist, even in the OT.  "If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny."  Compare it to Palpatine's line in ROTS:  "I embrace a larger view of the Force" and then talking about how one most have knowledge of all aspects of a concept.  It's clear that the Jedi see things only in black and white.  Therefore, Obi-Wan's assertion of absolutes is either political shoehorning, terrible oversight in judgment, or, maybe, just maybe, (although I doubt it) Lucas actually being aware of how corrupt the Jedi were at that point and demonstrating their own hypocrisy.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Gaffer Tape said:

... or, maybe, just maybe, (although I doubt it) Lucas actually being aware of how corrupt the Jedi were at that point and demonstrating their own hypocrisy.

 Nah....

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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"This is TENSE!"

"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"

"Now this is podracing!"

 

Well done Anakin, you really summed up this life or death situation and made it sound threatening and menacing.

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fishmanlee said:

???: anakin..you catch on pretty quick! 

Once again, this is not the "Awesome Prequel dialogue quoted" thread.  And we already went through this on page 1:

Sluggo said:

Do these control the pitch?

Ric Olie said:

I know you're just trying to make me say, "you catch on pretty quick," but I have to remind you that this is not the "Awesome Prequel dialouge quoted" thread.

Sluggo said:

You catch on pretty quick.

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Ahh... page 1.  Those were the days.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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I'm still on page 1.  You guys (any females in here?) have your settings all out of whack!

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Working on a cutlist tonight and came across this gem.  So many faneditors cut the whole fireplace scene out, it was a bit of a shock to find an edit that left it in.

ANAKIN: From the moment I met you, all those years ago, not a day has gone by when I haven't thought of you. (sighs) And now that I'm with you again, I'm in agony. (inhales) The closer I get to you, the worse it gets. Th-the thought of not being with you...I can't breathe...I'm haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. My heart is beating, (as she tries to look away) hoping that that kiss will not become a scar. You are in my very soul, tormenting me. What can I do? I will do anything that you ask...

Not only is it awful, but it goes on and on and on.

EDIT: Sorry about the large font.  I can't figure out a way to fix it.  But it actually reads even worse that way, doesn't it?

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How about when Anakin says: "we're coming in too hot!"

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generalfrevious said:

"You are asking me to be rational. You know I cannot do that" -Anakin to Padme, AOTC

"Someday I am going to stop people from dying!"-Anakin to Padme again, AOTC 

 I think it was actually: "You're asking me to be rational. I know that is something I cannot do."

"Someday, I will be the most powerful jedi ever, I promise you. I will even stop people from dying!"

Dreadful lines, just thinking about them now makes me cringe.

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"Yippy!"

"That's wizard Annie!"

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Sluggo said:

Now THIS is pod racing!

Are you sure that's not a Ric Olie quote?  It sounds like something he would say.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Gaffer Tape said:

Sluggo said:

Now THIS is pod racing!

Are you sure that's not a Ric Olie quote?  It sounds like something he would say.

I'd agree with you, except for the emphasis on "this."  If I have to emphasize something, I've failed, haven't I?

 

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Well, I'd agree with me except for the fact that little Anakin is saying that flying a Naboo fighter on an attack mission is podracing.  Quite an inaccurate observation if you ask me.  Little dumbass...

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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Too bad Ric wasn't there:

Annie: Now this is podracing!

Ric: No it's not.  This is flying a Naboobian fighter against Trade Federation Droid Fighters and Droid Controller Donuts.  Podracing is a sport on outer rim planets where large spaceship engines are electro-magnetically tethered to a small pod and raced around Moab, Utah.  It's so intense, most muppets die before finishing and some muppets esplodé right there on the starting line.  Obstensibly, humans are unable to compete, but if the EU can be believed, almost all victors are in fact human. 

Annie: I was speaking figuratively, you 2 meter hairless gorilla!

Ric: I'm not a Gorilla, and I have lots of hair on the back and sides of my head.

Panaka: Remember, folks...  Panaka has a full head of hair, a gorgeous smile, and a piratey eye patch.  Rock the vote!

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Naboobian?!  NaBOOBian?!  Haha, that's pretty funny actually, but the correct adjectival form of Naboo is Nubian.

There is no lingerie in space…

C3PX said: Gaffer is like that hot girl in high school that you think you have a chance with even though she is way out of your league because she is sweet and not a stuck up bitch who pretends you don’t exist… then one day you spot her making out with some skinny twerp, only on second glance you realize it is the goth girl who always sits in the back of class; at that moment it dawns on you why she is never seen hanging off the arm of any of the jocks… and you realize, damn, she really is unobtainable after all. Not that that is going to stop you from dreaming… Only in this case, Gaffer is actually a guy.

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xhonzi said:

Panaka: Remember, folks...  Panaka has a full head of hair, a gorgeous smile, and a piratey eye patch.  Rock the vote!

If you're going to try and rig the election, at least don't get Panaka and Typho confused.  Anyway I'm way ahead and no one is voting anymore.

Gaffer Tape said:

Naboobian?!  NaBOOBian?!  Haha, that's pretty funny actually, but the correct adjectival form of Naboo is Nubian.

Oh, look who knows so much!  You're going to trust a guy named Watto?

Back on topic: "Ahh, Nubian, not bad, not bad."  This is horrible dialogue, since as we all know, the correct adjectival form of Naboo is Naboobian.

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Panaka pitties the fool Olie for not having a full head of hair like Panaka.  Typho's also a fool.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!

 

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Ric Olie said:

Gaffer Tape said:

Naboobian?!  NaBOOBian?!  Haha, that's pretty funny actually, but the correct adjectival form of Naboo is Nubian.

Oh, look who knows so much!  You're going to trust a guy named Watto?

Back on topic: "Ahh, Nubian, not bad, not bad."  This is horrible dialogue, since as we all know, the correct adjectival form of Naboo is Naboobian.

 It was deleted, but there was a Wikipedia article that listed Naboobian as the correct form.

IT'S MY TRILOGY, AND I WANT IT NOW!

"[George Lucas] rebooted the franchise in 1997 without telling anyone." -skyjedi2005

"Yeah, well, George says a lot of things..." a young 1997 xhonzi on RASSM

"They're my movies." -George Lucas. 19 people won oscars for their work on Star Wars (1977) and George Lucas wasn't one of them.

Rewrite the Prequels!