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What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise? All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT, while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them. Common sense should have left SW alone. Bit where are we now? Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff. It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money. Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype). At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies. By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

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TV’s Frink said:

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generalfrevious said:

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Well yeah but you fixed your thread title and also I see what you did here.

Also you liked TFA until YouTube told you not to, so I’m not sure how KK fits into that bit of info.

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TV’s Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

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Well yeah but you fixed your thread title and also I see what you did here.

Also you liked TFA until YouTube told you not to, so I’m not sure how KK fits into that bit of info.

It was agonybooth, not YouTube. How many times do I have to say this?

Kennedy is the one who is overseeing everything right now. She is the one who chose to play it safe and just give us what we already had while denying what we want.

Maybe when TFA first came out it was okay to be less critical of the movie because it passed the bar lowered by the prequels (i.e. Star Trek 09). But in light of Rogue One cynically exploiting the fans for profit, and bringing in such auteurs like Ron Howard and Stephen Daldry while firing Lord & Miller for trying to do something new with the franchise, it seems right to view TFA more critically than in 2015.

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Well this a bit unfair comparison as Lucas was an artist while she is a businesswoman.

And yes, so far she is way worse than Lucas. First Star Wars film since she took over is also the worst Star Wars film ever made. The future does not look bright either, but we will see. At least R1 was decent.

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Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.


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SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

I would say PT is a strong evidence of contrary. Even though PT sucked and was receiving lots of criticism since TPM, he was making what he wanted and not what audience wanted/expected. He could make films about Anakin/Vader being likeable badass, which is what most of people would love/expect to see, but instead he followed his own unpopular story where Anakin/Vader was an annoying whiner.

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imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

I would say PT is a strong evidence of contrary. Even though PT sucked and was receiving lots of criticism since TPM, he was making what he wanted and not what audience wanted/expected. He could make films about Anakin/Vader being likeable badass, which is what most of people would love/expect to see, but instead he followed his own unpopular story where Anakin/Vader was an annoying whiner.

He still signed off on the biggest avalanche of merchandising rivaling even the OT for Phantom Menace. A good portion of it being crap that gathered dust on shelves for years. Would 1970’s George have allowed this to be made?


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suspiciouscoffee said:

Lucas: made movies most people don’t like, and effectively erased highly beloved movies from the market and from popular culture

Kennedy: funded some movies you don’t like

Yes, she’s so much worse, of course.

Don’t forget that she has refused to undo the erasure caused by Lucas by releasing the OUT in the first place. It’s so easy to fix this, but she’d rather produce films with references to those films than releasing the films themselves.

Lucasfilm: proudly abandoning all logic since 1982!

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generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is this a question or a statement? I can’t tell because the thread title has no punctuation.

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Well yeah but you fixed your thread title and also I see what you did here.

Also you liked TFA until YouTube told you not to, so I’m not sure how KK fits into that bit of info.

It was agonybooth, not YouTube. How many times do I have to say this?

Say it however many times you like, I’ll never remember and it’s not the point anyway.

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generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is this a question or a statement? I can’t tell because the thread title has no punctuation.

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Well yeah but you fixed your thread title and also I see what you did here.

Also you liked TFA until YouTube told you not to, so I’m not sure how KK fits into that bit of info.

It was agonybooth, not YouTube. How many times do I have to say this?

Kennedy is the one who is overseeing everything right now. She is the one who chose to play it safe and just give us what we already had while denying what we want.

Maybe when TFA first came out it was okay to be less critical of the movie because it passed the bar lowered by the prequels (i.e. Star Trek 09). But in light of Rogue One cynically exploiting the fans for profit, and bringing in such auteurs like Ron Howard and Stephen Daldry while firing Lord & Miller for yrying to do something new with the franchise, it seems right to view TFA more critically than in 2015.

That doesn’t make any sense.

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SilverWook said:

imperialscum said:

SilverWook said:

Lucas was an artist who became a businessman though.

I would say PT is a strong evidence of contrary. Even though PT sucked and was receiving lots of criticism since TPM, he was making what he wanted and not what audience wanted/expected. He could make films about Anakin/Vader being likeable badass, which is what most of people would love/expect to see, but instead he followed his own unpopular story where Anakin/Vader was an annoying whiner.

He still signed off on the biggest avalanche of merchandising rivaling even the OT for Phantom Menace. A good portion of it being crap that gathered dust on shelves for years. Would 1970’s George have allowed this to be made?

That does not change anything regarding him being an artist. He was not the one making all the merchandising stuff. He just allowed other people to make and sell it in exchange for profit. This is not a fairytale. We live in a real world. Primarily thanks to merchandising (from 1977 onward), he was able to retain his artistic freedom to make what he actually wanted.

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He approved everything that was made, or at least he used to. There is an old interview circa ESB where Lucas talks about the merchandising ideas he turned down for Star Wars as they were “junk” in his opinion.
You didn’t see Star Wars Mood Rings. 😉

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yhwx said:

generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

generalfrevious said:

TV’s Frink said:

Is this a question or a statement? I can’t tell because the thread title has no punctuation.

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Well yeah but you fixed your thread title and also I see what you did here.

Also you liked TFA until YouTube told you not to, so I’m not sure how KK fits into that bit of info.

It was agonybooth, not YouTube. How many times do I have to say this?

Kennedy is the one who is overseeing everything right now. She is the one who chose to play it safe and just give us what we already had while denying what we want.

Maybe when TFA first came out it was okay to be less critical of the movie because it passed the bar lowered by the prequels (i.e. Star Trek 09). But in light of Rogue One cynically exploiting the fans for profit, and bringing in such auteurs like Ron Howard and Stephen Daldry while firing Lord & Miller for yrying to do something new with the franchise, it seems right to view TFA more critically than in 2015.

That doesn’t make any sense.

Yes it does, because the context in which the film exists has changed. In 2015, it was a new beginning, going back to the roots after the disastrous PT era. Now it’s the first product in the assembly line, part of the cinematic universe trend of the 2010s, where it’s just recycling what was done before to make a profit.

Bottom line, it isn’t aging well, just like Star Trek 09.

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SilverWook said:

He approved everything that was made, or at least he used to. There is an old interview circa ESB where Lucas talks about the merchandising ideas he turned down for Star Wars as they were “junk” in his opinion.

As I said, what you are on about has nothing to do with one being an artist or not. It is being about whether one is willing to trade useless pride in exchange for conditions that will facilitate artistic freedom. If one is a true artist, he/she will value artistic freedom more than some petty thing like that.

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Kennedy’s sexier than Lucas.

Nuff said.

I believe the original, theatrical versions of SW & TESB are great films. Beyond that, I have little in common with the typical
Star Wars fan here. Just a heads-up so you aren’t too taken aback when I say I prefer Dark Empire over Return of the Jedi.

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