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Transforming this thread from a specific credit issue to a General topic on things like the Credits.  Suggested was to include Leader and other ephemeral film specific elements.  Feel free to toss out idea for other things which are not part of the main film but could help identify print variations and sources.

 

Credits Film & 'Versions'

Star Wars
'Draft' - 1977 opening day prints
    pre-ANH widescreen bootleg (mthr)
    pre-ANH bootleg 'PS77-78?' (AntcuFaalb)
    16mm English (PuggoGrande)
    16mm English (Catnap)
'Refined' - 1977 June? wider release prints
    16mm Swedish (Puggo Stjärnornas Krig)
    1982 CED (Starkiller) (negative1)
    1982 LaserDisc (Starkiller)
    1982 Video Rental Library VHS (Starkiller)
    U.S. 1988 Star Wars Trilogy VHS
    1989 Derann Super8
    U.S. Star Wars LaserDisc (DJFS)
    U.S. Star Wars Standard Play Collection LaserDisc (DJ_Std_Play)
    U.S. 1993 Star Wars Trilogy Definitive Collection LaserDisc (DJDC)
    1994 Widescreen VHS (Effy11)
    U.S. 1995 Star Wars Widescreen Edition THX "FACES" (DJ_Faces)
    U.S. 1995 VHS Star Wars Fullscreen Edition THX "FACES" (DJ_Faces_FS)
    2006 DVD (GOUT)
    pre-ANH cropped bootleg (MeBeJedi, Starkiller, Treadwell)
TV UK ITV - 1980's Credit Fade Change
    http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Early-print-variations-X-Wing-takeoff-End-Credits-etc/post/605211/#TopicPost605211
'Special Edition' - 1997
    UK Satellite TV Digi Betacam (Flunk)
    2004 DVD
    2007 German HDTV Broadcast
'super8 simplified' - First five credits, '1977 TWENTIETH CENTURY-FOX FILM CORPORATION, 'The End'
    1978 super-8
'Special Edition revised font' -
    U.S. 1997 Widescreen SW Trilogy Special Edition Box Set (JFSE) Preservation

Empire Strikes Back
'Original' - 1980
    2006 DVD (GOUT)
    ESB_TP (VideoCollector)
'Special Edition' - 1997
    2004 DVD
'super8 simplified' - Credits split, moved before film except one image 'THE END  LUCASFILM LTD. (LFL) 1980' [new font]
    1978 super-8
'Special Edition revised font' -
    U.S. 1997 Widescreen SW Trilogy Special Edition Box Set (JFSE)

Return of the Jedi
'RotJ Original' - 1983
    2006 DVD (GOUT)
    RotJ_TP (VideoCollector, Treadwell)
'Special Edition' - 1997
    2004 DVD
'Special Edition revised font' -
    U.S. 1997 Widescreen SW Trilogy Special Edition Box Set (JFSE)


The Phantom Menace


Attack of the Clones


Revenge of the Sith

 

 

Leader Film & 'Variations'

Star Wars
    16mm English (PuggoGrande)

Empire Strikes Back

 

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As Star Wars's initial popularity grew and new prints were being created to meet the demand, LFL modified the credits.  This thread is to discuss possibilities for the reasoning behind when and why.  (and whatever else comes to mind along the way)

 

Because we haven't done a full accounting of the credit this change is being identified by a modification to John Williams' credit.  We've noticed two versions a 'tight' and 'spaced' version.

 

JW 'tight' Credit shows up in the english 16mm and a widescreen pre-ANH bootleg:

PuggoGrande english 16mm

 

JW 'spaced' Credit shows up in most other versions of SW.  The following versions have been confirmed as 'spaced': Swedish 16mm, CED, english LaserDisc, 1988 VHS, Derann super8, 2004 DVD, 2006  DVD, cropped pre-ANH bootleg.

2006 DVD

- If you can confirm a different version from the ones listed above, please let us know.

 

When did the credits get changed?

This change could have existed as a variation on opening day.  To meet the requirements of different theaters, 3 different audio versions were available. (35mm Dolby Stereo, 70mm Dolby Stereo, Academy Mono)

Article: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/index.htm

Because the creation of 70mm and 35mm prints had different lead times, there is the possibilty that the credit change could only be incorporated into one of them for opening day.  Uncertain how to verify this.

 

LFL had many opportunities after first-week engagements to make changes. New prints were added to the continuous run of the film in this first year.  Michael Coate has researched/documented the number of theaters and number of prints from publicity and news reports:

http://www.fromscripttodvd.com/star_wars_a_day_long_remembered_trivia.htm

Release schedule/total number of engagements during weekend beginning…


May 27: 43
Jun 03: 2 (45)
Jun 10: 3 (48)
Jun 17: 109 (157)
Jun 24: 203 (360)
Jul 01: 136 (496)
Jul 08: 81 (577)
Jul
15: 51 (628)
Jul 22: 183 (811)
Jul 29: 145 (956)
Aug 05: 88 (1,044)


Number of engagements at widest point of distribution: 1,098 (original); 1,756* (1978 re-release)

The 1981 re-release because of the addition of the 'Episode IV' has been the baseline for all home versions since, and they contain the 'spaced' version. 

This credit change shows up in both versions (tight and spaced) in the 16mm and pre-ANH bootleg variety, meaning it took place prior to the 1981 re-release.  Since the bootlegs are nebulous, the production time frame of the 16mm versions (english and swedish) are a possible clue to when this change occurred.

 

A second hypothesis would have to do with the creation of the foreign language prints.  (as the 16mm english/swedish prints differ)  According to Rinzler's Making of Star Wars book (pg 299) the foreign language dubs were completed 'By October 13, 1977'.  (book mentions 20 sound mixes)

 

Another thought is they created a special trailer for the 1978 re-release which mentioned the Academy Awards, maybe while creating that new celluloid they also updated the credits?  This is a similar time frame to the foreign language dub prints...

 

Since we haven't fully digested all the credit revisions, we're also looking to find resources which have full credits and were published early on.  For instance:

  • Star Wars: 1977 Theatrical Program (page 18)

http://www.theforce.net/image_popup/image_popup_global.asp?Image=timetales/misc/arcana/program18.jpg

  • The Art of Star Wars, 1979

 

 

 

Previous places this topic was discussed:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Complete-Comparison-of-Special-Edition-Visual-Changes/post/508632/#TopicPost508632

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-coming-to-Blu-Ray-UPDATE-May-4th-2011/post/509688/#TopicPost509688

http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=20384

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"The tight credits" also have a crude looking transition to the scrolling titles where part of Jack Purvis is still there and even starts to scroll before John Barry appears. Seems to be a slight glitch of some sort. I assume this is the point were the the revised credits begins with a new dissolve in place. I doubt this would be the reason for it, but I just thought I would point it out.

The revised credits much smoother transition from static to scrolling titles:

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Space for Credit Pics:

 

mthr:                                       PuggoGrande:                      PuggoKrig:

   

PuggoKrig:                                DVD2006:                                SE-Flunk:

 

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Space for noting the differences in the Star Wars credits. 

Changes improve readability.  Add clarity to certain groups, while eliminating much of the blank space. 

 

English 16mm vs. Swedish 16mm prints:

16mm eng-swe General : The Swedish credits give people credits more breathing space.  Places are more condensced.  Did not notice any name or job revisions.  Specific line spacing changes:

16mm eng-swe 01: Space inserted after John Williams before L.S.O.

16mm eng-swe 02: Space inserted after Production Sound Mixer before Casting

16mm eng-swe 03: Space inserted after Assistant Film Editors before Camera Operators

16mm eng-swe 04: Space inserted after Titles before 2nd Unit Photography

16mm eng-swe 05: Space inserted after Prints by before DOLBY SYSTEM logo

 

 

Star Wars 1977 Revised credits vs Special Edition 1997 credits

1997 01: Added Executive Producer GEORGE LUCAS

1997 02: Added to 'with' credit JAMES EARL JONES as the voice of Darth Vader

1997 03: Revised John Williams credit by moving 'Original Music' to first line

1997 04: Cast moved before Panavision

1997 05: James Earl Jones added to the CAST list.

1997 06: Added SPECIAL EDITION category.

1997 07: Added INDUSTRIAL LIGHT AND MAGIC category.

1997 08: Reformated Locations

1997 09: Copyright changed to 1997 and shifted down

1997 10: Added Soundtrack and Novelization

1997 11: Added SDDS, Digital Dolby, DTS Stereo

1997 12: Added 1-800-PHONE-THX

Note: Same MPAA number...

 

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OK so which credits are from the REAL THEATRICAL version ?

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I've got to say, it's really cool seeing the credits that way! :)


Where were you in '77?

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Food for thought: reels can be mixed up over the years. Are we sure the final reels of these pre-81 prints are actually from pre-81 prints? The crawl helps us date R1, but what about the rest?
I don't know if there would be edge numbers or something that could help.

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Treadwell wrote: reels can be mixed up over the years.

Yeah the franken-print idea is something which might plague this.  The key is though we have two official and two bootleg sources all pre-ANH but each set has one of each credit version.

Leaning more towards this being an opening day, print variation thing, not something they changed as they made new prints.  Here's why:

Three Audio Versions & Two Credit Versions

35mm two-track (four-channel) Dolby Stereo = English 16mm & widescreen pre-ANH bootleg (does not have 'close the blastdoor') + 'Draft' Credits

70mm Six-Track Dolby Stereo = (does not have 'close the blastdoor')

35mm Academy mono = Swedish 16mm & cropped pre-ANH bootleg (has 'close the blastdoor') + 'Refined' Credits

[Note: to add in some extra credit confusing the Swedish visual field is larger then the English, so don't get the 16mm cropped confused with the pre-ANH bootleg cropping.  Same term, two different used.]

 

In the Puggo restoration video of the Grande (english 16mm), he mentioned how he used the Swedish audio for this project but the English 16mm video, which might make this a franken-release of sorts.  He noted that he was required to make audio revisions as the two prints didn't match up.  Not sure if this is caused by actual changes or just something in the preservation of this particular print.  The video mentions certain points where the spockets required fixing for instance.

 

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I guess we can also rule out the possibility of it being a '81 revision just by going on the Dolby System logo, I'm not sure exactly when it became known as Dolby Stereo, but at the time of Ridley Scott's Alien in '79 it was already in place, so if they had made new credits for the '81 re-release it would most likely had Dolby Stereo on it.

These two Dolby System logos also have a variation in the font used for "Making Films Sound Better", "Noise Reduction - High Fidelity", but I think these two logo variations were in use at the same time. The one on the 2006 DVD is seen on most posters for the film at the time, even teasers.

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So would the Puggo Grande 16mm contain the first version of credits?  If so, would the "spaced" credits be for the 1978 re-release & onwards? (1981 included?)  I apologize for all the questions.  Just VERY curious!

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msycamore wrote: These two Dolby System logos also have a variation in the font used for "Making Films Sound Better", "Noise Reduction - High Fidelity",

That's knowing your logos.  Would never have spotted that, it's like 1/10th of a space reduction between characters!  But yeah the '81 revision idea got shut down when Mothr pointed out that both bootlegs were pre-ANH.  There is the possibility of one being a merger of separate reels, but there's some evidence which doesn't refute the idea but sync's up with other known quantities.

 

I see in my last post I didn't really explain the connections fully.  When paying attention to the audio changes in conjunction with this credit change, they sync up with each other.  The Mono Mix has the 'refined' credits, 16mm and bootleg.  While the Dolby Stereo has the 'draft' credits.  So since the audio differences were identified as opening day things, then this credit probably follows along.

So the weird thing now is, you would think since the 'refined' current credit version that it would have taken it's audio counterpart along to 'current' status, but it hasn't.  The Mono Mix has been excised.  Was the Mono Mix created last or all three being worked on simultaneously?

 

Will most likely turn this thread into a general Credits and other ephemeral type of thread.  As SilverWook said, it's kinda neeto seeing the credits all at once.

 

Puggo wrote: It might be possible to date the PG reels by studying the lead-ins/lead-outs provided in the provided extra.

This is something i'll probably turn into a pic.  Looked at the first two reels quickly but didn't see any date specific information, so it's probably going to be comparing image elements to others from this time frame.  As you pointed out the  curious things is that two reels have similar lead in material while the third (middle reel) is something else entirely.  Wondering if this also happened on the Krig.  (haven't looked yet)

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Yeah, the dolby logo were more a case of me ruling out a possibilty of mixed up reels. And yes, the mono mix was created last, it wasn't until later in June if I recall correctly, that version first saw the light.

Btw, nice job with the pictures of the various credits.

livserge, Puggo Grande and Moth3r's bootleg transfer probably contain the first version of the credits.

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none said:

As you pointed out the  curious things is that two reels have similar lead in material while the third (middle reel) is something else entirely.  Wondering if this also happened on the Krig.  (haven't looked yet)

Yes, the same situation was on the Krig.  Apparently, it's not uncommon, although I don't know why.

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none said: 

I see in my last post I didn't really explain the connections fully.  When paying attention to the audio changes in conjunction with this credit change, they sync up with each other.  The Mono Mix has the 'refined' credits, 16mm and bootleg.  While the Dolby Stereo has the 'draft' credits.  So since the audio differences were identified as opening day things, then this credit probably follows along.

So the weird thing now is, you would think since the 'refined' current credit version that it would have taken it's audio counterpart along to 'current' status, but it hasn't.  The Mono Mix has been excised.  Was the Mono Mix created last or all three being worked on simultaneously? 

I can understand if they made the "refined" credits at the time when they were making new prints when the popularity grew or for foreign versions, but exclusively for the prints with the mono mix... why even have Dolby System on those prints? was Dolby compatible with Academy mono prints?

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msycamore wrote: the mono mix was created last, it wasn't until later in June if I recall correctly, that version first saw the light.

(this is probably right, but i've typed this out so follow the logic.  the first few sentences are a little off)

That doesn't quite jive with: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/chapters/theatres.htm

He's got a fairly even distribution of all three versions out there on opening day.  (8-70mm, 13-Dolby, 12-Mono)

I can understand if they made the "refined" credits at the time when they were making new prints when the popularity grew or for foreign versions, but exclusively for the prints with the mono mix... why even have Dolby System on those prints? was Dolby compatible with Academy mono prints?

I wouldn't say they did is 'exclusively for' the mono mix prints, it's just that those were last produced and they received the current final version.  (so yes it is exclusive, but that wasn't their goal)  From Rinzler's MoSW pg.288

MoSW pg.288 Quote: "The Dobly mix, however, was just the beginning of sound for Star Wars, as only parts of the English-speaking world were equipped for it.  For crucial foreign markets and much of America, monaural and other stereo system soundtracks had to be prepared as well."

On the Dolby Systems logo, they would probably say that's the level of technology the film was made up to for optimal performance.  The credits reflect that.

MoSW pg.291 Quote: "The first mix sent out with the film, at the last possible second, was the six-track Dolby stereo version, but the first mix also had the most errors.  Next up was the two-track stereo, which was derived from the six-track, yet there was still not time at that stage to make any changes.  "I asked Steve Katz to do something," Burtt says, "but they wre all too afriad to mess with it, 'cause the deadline was so close-the whole system with the Dolby was kind of an experiment, and they didn't want me to tamper with it."

So that might coincide with the 35mm and 70mm versions being the same.

Rinzler and Coate differ on the order in which the audio versions were created.  Coate says the international is a fourth "35mm four-track magnetic stereo"  But Rinzler's got:

MoSW pg.292 Quote: SWR 05.25.77 "Yes for Lucas, who was still working on the fourth final mix, the monaural, nothing had changed.  "We'd finished the 70mm eight-track stereo mix, which Fox had resisted, and we were working on the monaural version for the wide release, so I was mixing at night," he says.

This wider release using the Coate's data is late June.  As the number of prints in circulation doubled each week.  (approximate: 50-100-200) 

Which is what msycamore said to start this post.

So since it's a new day, new facts, new conclusions, shall we say June for the revised credits?

 

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Still a little confused what was shown opening day in the theaters which couldn't play the 35mm or 70mm Dolby Stereo version...

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A Burtt quote on mono mix, which could explain the credits:

"George put a lot of effort in that mono mix," Burtt remembers, "and he even said several times, 'Well, this is the real mix. This is the definitive mix of the film.' He paid more attention to it because he felt it was more important archivally."

from: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2003/star_wars/index.htm  (towards the bottom)

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Hmm, can't remember where I've read about when exactly the mono prints debuted... have to find that.

From the 2004 DVD audio commentary Ben Burtt says:

...the first mix done was a two-channel stereo Dolby mix wich hadn't been done before, it was a new process. That mix was done first because we were actually making prints and testing them out, and getting theaters to tune up their equipments required that mix was done first. After that was done, then a six-track stereo mix was done for the 70mm release of the film and of course going back and mixing the film a second time, one make changes, you take things a little further you've learned from the first mix of the movie and you now go and make all your changes in the next mix wich was the six-track...

I think the above quote along with the minor additions and differences in the six-track mix which also appears in the mono mix confirms that the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix was done first, but the 70mm six-track which was derived from the same source was first out the door... It makes no sense to remove certain sound effects in the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix then add them again for the mono if it was the second mix.

Anyway, I find this all very fascinating. The revised credits are a little bit of Star Wars history that have gone largely unnoticed. :)

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Leaders:

Star Wars 16mm English (PuggoGrande)

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Puggo-GRANDE-16mm-restoration/topic/9752/

Star Wars 16mm Reel 1 Lead-in

BEG -> PICTURE -> HEAD -> (dot) -> PICTURE -> Star Wars (script) -> DEL 180615 -> CRI 1 -> DOMESTIC CRI #1 -> STAR WARS R-1 -> (crossed out) "A" R0II? -> R-1 (crossed out A?) -> STAR WARS (script) -> ILM (script) -> (crossed out) DEL 180437 -> PART TITLE -> (diamond) -> START -> (diamond) -> 11 -> (diamond) -> 10 -> 6 -> (diamond) -> 5 -> 3 (script) -> (arrow) -> 4 -> 3

 

 

Star Wars 16mm Reel 1 Lead-out

SUBJECT -> LENGTH ROLL -> REEL NO COLOR PICTURE -> RATIO SOUND -> HEAD -> (dot) -> PICTURE -> SMPTE UNIVERSAL LEADER -> XXXX -> SMPTE UNIVERSAL LEADER -> REEL NO. PROD NO. PLAY DATE -> 180615 -> DEL# 180437 (crossed out) -> 3A (crossed out 'A') -> REEL (script) -> STAR WARS (script) -> DOM CRI -> Star Wars (script) -> 16 SOUND START -> 35 SOUND START -> PICTURE START -> 8 -> 7 -> 6 -> 5 -> 4 -> 3 (script) -> 4 -> 3

 

 

Star Wars 16mm Reel 2 Lead-in

SUBJECT -> LENGTH ROLL -> REEL NO COLOR PICTURE -> RATIO SOUND -> HEAD -> (dot) -> PICTURE -> SMPTE UNIVERSAL LEADER -> XXXX -> SMPTE UNIVERSAL LEADER -> REEL NO. PROD NO. PLAY DATE -> 180615 -> DEL# 180437 (crossed out) -> 3A (crossed out 'A') -> REEL (script) -> STAR WARS (script) -> DOM CRI -> Star Wars (script) -> 16 SOUND START -> 35 SOUND START -> PICTURE START -> 8 -> 7 -> 6 -> 5 -> 4 -> 3 (script) -> 4 -> 3

 

 

Star Wars 16mm Reel 2 Lead-out

FINISH -> ILM STAR (script) -> WARS -> ??? 180615 -> HE6? (crossed out) -> 180613 (crossed out) 180437 -> 4B -> ??? (crossed out) -> CRI#1 (dot) -> Star Wars? -> PICTURE -> (dot) -> FOOT -> COLOR PICTURE -> ROLL -> END

 

 

Star Wars 16mm Reel 3 Lead-in

BEG -> SUBJECT -> LENGTH ROLL -> REEL NO COLOR PICTURE -> HEAD -> (dot) -> PICTURE -> Star Wars R5 (script) -> STAR WARS (script) -> DEL 180615 - DOM CRI -> REEL 5 (crossed out 'A') -> ??? (crossed out) -> ILM -> (diamond) -> START -> (diamond) -> 11 -> 10 -> (diamond) -> 9 -> (diamond) -> 8 -> (diamond) -> 7 -> (diamond) -> 5 -> (arrow) -> PLACE CONTROL STRIP HERE -> 4 -> 3 (color script) -> 3 -> (3 hash lines) -> (3 hash lines reverse)

 

 

Star Wars 16mm Reel 3 Lead-out

FINISH -> Y -> ONL? -> T

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Revenge of the Sith (Workprint) ViSA

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/VIDEO-TS-sleuthing-forensics-How-can-I-and-what-could-I-learn/post/453920/#TopicPost453920

SMPTE -> HEAD (reversed) -> COMMON NO SYNC (reversed) -> (arrow) -> COLOR BY JEDI MASTERING LAB -> HEAD -> (dot) -> PICTURE -> (black ring on red field) -> (black rectangle on red field) -> (yellow background) 1 - R " 2 NOTSSNUD "" -> SOUND START (vertical flip) -> REEL 1 (vertical flip) -> DUNSTON 2 (vertical flip) -> PICTURE START (white background) -> (diamond) -> (count down) 11, 10, 9 NINE, 8, 7, 6 SIX, 5, (diamond) POP or BOB???? -> 4 -> (arrow) -> CONTROL STRIP (7FRAMES) -> (arrow), 3

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msycamore said:

From the 2004 DVD audio commentary Ben Burtt says:

...the first mix done was a two-channel stereo Dolby mix wich hadn't been done before, it was a new process. That mix was done first because we were actually making prints and testing them out, and getting theaters to tune up their equipments required that mix was done first. After that was done, then a six-track stereo mix was done for the 70mm release of the film and of course going back and mixing the film a second time, one make changes, you take things a little further you've learned from the first mix of the movie and you now go and make all your changes in the next mix wich was the six-track...

I think the above quote along with the minor additions and differences in the six-track mix which also appears in the mono mix confirms that the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix was done first, but the 70mm six-track which was derived from the same source was first out the door... It makes no sense to remove certain sound effects in the 35mm Dolby Stereo mix then add them again for the mono if it was the second mix.

I think Burtt is referring to the different decisions made when mixing the "stems" together to create the final mix, rather than adding or removing sound effects.

I still believe what I said here, which is that the Dolby Stereo and 70mm 6-track mixes are identical in terms of content, the only difference being how the stems were combined to make the final mix.

The mono mix was a complete new mix created from scratch, and does have additional content. Some of these additions were also carried over to the '93 mix.

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Moth3r said:

I think Burtt is referring to the different decisions made when mixing the "stems" together to create the final mix, rather than adding or removing sound effects.

I still believe what I said here, which is that the Dolby Stereo and 70mm 6-track mixes are identical in terms of content, the only difference being how the stems were combined to make the final mix. 

Yes, I absolutely agree with you, maybe wrong of me to call them "additons" when those differences were actually more a case of a different decision in terms of how loud they mixed those effects, the most obvious must be the explosion of the TIE that Han takes out in the trench run, which is almost inaudible in the 35mm mix.

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Via the Preserving "German" Original Trilogy

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Preserving-German-Original-Trilogy/topic/5765/

R2D2 preserved the 1993 VHS Widescreen version which has the Kreig der Sterne Credits.

All titles are in German.  They are missing the 'Print by Deluxe' credit.  The Dolby Systems Logo is different.  And there are two extra credits at the bottom:

Deutsche Bearbeitung (German Dubbing)
Berlinder synchron (Berlin Synchronously)
Wenzel Ludecke

 

Dialogbearbeitung und
Synchronisationsuberwachung (Dialogue Editing and Synchronization)
Heidi Weibel

Krieg der Sterne 1993 VHS Widescreen:

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Deutsche Bearbeitung (German Processing)
Berlinder synchron (Berlin Synchronously)
Wenzel Ludecke

 

Dialogbearbeitung und (Processing and Dialogue)
Synchronisationsuberwachung (Sychronization)
Heidi Weibel

I would rather translate these as:

Deutsche Bearbeitung (German Dubbing)

Dialogbearbeitung und Synchronisationsüberwachung (Dialogue Editing and Synchronization)

In fact, it would be interesting to analyze some of the other foreign-language credits to check if all the foreign credits were made at the same time or at the same company.

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TheHutt wrote: I would rather translate these as:

Thanks, makes more sense, was relying on google's mechanical translations.

Any language credit is welcomed!  When someone posts another countries version, we'll be able to make a better guess.  Would make sense to get someone from the country to complete the translation, then LFL would create the graphics. 

Would like to see more language variation talk in the forums.  Have a draft of a language thread, should post it.  There was a good article around the time of AotC on the crawl language variations, but it's been offlined, and the archived versions have lost the pics...

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In the Phantom Menace credits, most 'Mc' names the 'c' is lower case and aligned bottom.  Except for Ewan McGregor which is aligned top.

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