The reality is that plot-wise PT and OT are two very separate stories. They are two trilogies in the same universe, focusing on two different things.
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
No, that is the truth.
And, for once, you are right.
I prefer Victory Celebration for the music, but I really don’t like the shots of various planets celebrating. Realistically, I think that they’d be full blown riots, since there’s no way the Empire would allow celebrations of that scale without interfering. And we know that the Empire survived for at least a little while after ROTJ, albeit in a much weaker state, so it’s not as if the planets were fully liberated from Imperial control as soon as Death Star 2 blew up.
The cities I believe are warranted because in the 97 SE, there is only ONE planet that we haven’t seen but we can come to assume that in the vastness of this galaxy that it is a big city planet of great importance. And I’m looking at this through the eyes of only the OT. If you watch the full saga, this isn’t even an argument.
Which planet would that be? IIRC, we see both Coruscant and Naboo, neither of which appear in the OT.
Naboo didn’t show up until '04.
Personally I think the planet montage, beyond what you mentiond, is completely out of place and unnecessary. Music-wise, though I have a soft spot for Yub Nub (a damn catchy tune), Victory Celebration is obviously superior. Though personally I think ending the film with diegetic music and a big party was in general a little misguided.
The reality is that plot-wise PT and OT are two very separate stories. They are two trilogies in the same universe, focusing on two different things.
That’s just like, your opinion, man.
No, that is the truth.
And, for once, you are right.
Broken clock.
I wonder what people would think of Hayden Ghost if the prequels were better liked? Would it be a lovely call back to a successful series of films? But it isn’t. And Sebastian just makes more sense. It’s a straight line from Vader’s unmasking and death scene to his ghost.
Give me Sebastian and Yub Nub, thank you. I don’t think Victory Celebration is a particularly fitting piece of music. Yub Nub doesn’t hold a candle to Throne Room or The Rebel Fleet, but it sounds like the movie and it fits the visuals. The “teddy bear picnic” isn’t really the focus. The joy and relief of our heroes is. (Hell, Wedge even gets an appearance.) I don’t like Lapti Nek either, but it doesn’t yank me out of the movie the way Jedi Rocks does.
And I HATE the scenes of the other planets for reasons detailed at length by other wiser posters.
I can’t resist: If you could watch episodes 1-6 in order then all the exposition about the Force wouldn’t be in 4!
– Bill
Never tell me the odds.
I can’t resist: If you could watch episodes 1-6 in order then all the exposition about the Force wouldn’t be in 4!
Great point, Tallguy. More proof that 1-6 is just indulgent rubbernecking, “George Lucas and the Universe of Star Wars” story.
Not defending the prequels but that isn’t necessarily true. Showing anakins son learning what the force is for the first time is worthwhile even if the audience already knows.
No, that is the truth.
… Your opinion, man.
Not defending the prequels but that isn’t necessarily true. Showing anakins son learning what the force is for the first time is worthwhile even if the audience already knows.
But the problem is that if the audience isn’t familiar with Star Wars and starts with Ep.1, they have no idea about the Force, cause nobody tells them about it until Ep.4.
If these films were truly designed to be watched in order, that wouldn’t be the case.
Not defending the prequels but that isn’t necessarily true. Showing anakins son learning what the force is for the first time is worthwhile even if the audience already knows.
I have no complaints that it is explained in Star Wars. They cover much of the same ground (almost word for word) in Empire as well. But it isn’t explained even once in the PT. So if you watch 1-6 you don’t get an explanation of the Force for four movies! Talk about a slow burn!
– Bill
Never tell me the odds.
I don’t necessarily see that as a problem. Builds suspense, and an understanding of the force isn’t necessary to enjoy star wars anyway. The prequels are loaded with problems, I don’t think this is one of them.
I don’t necessarily see that as a problem. Builds suspense, and an understanding of the force isn’t necessary to enjoy star wars anyway. The prequels are loaded with problems, I don’t think this is one of them.
By that argument the scene with Ben in Star Wars explaining it and then the OTHER scene with Yoda repeating it are unneeded. But they aren’t. They were considered necessary when a audience was being introduced to Star Wars. They weren’t considered necessary in the PT because the PT wasn’t introducing anyone to Star Wars.
Honestly this is just about my biggest argument against a 1-6 order. That and 5 and 6 rely on a certain amount of suspense that just isn’t there if 1-3 are told first. Oh, and Ben looks like a damn fool when he “tells” Luke about Vader and Luke’s father.
– Bill
Never tell me the odds.
I don’t necessarily see that as a problem. Builds suspense, and an understanding of the force isn’t necessary to enjoy star wars anyway. The prequels are loaded with problems, I don’t think this is one of them.
I gotta disagree here. The explanation of the force by Ben Kenobi was an instrumental scene that I think was necessary to key us in on what essence of these movies were gonna be about.
I’m not saying it wasn’t necessary to have it in a new hope. What I’m saying is us having to wait until we get passed anakin and hear anakins old friend as an elder explaining it to his son is kinda cool. I’m saying having to wonder about it for three movies and then finally get to find out more about it was a neat idea, if only the first three movies had been done better. Do I think it was intentional? Of course not, the prequels were not that intensely thought out. But that lone isolated element of the prequels works for me, even if it doesn’t everybody else.
At the risk of losing all credibility here, I could see myself accepting the Hayden version if they do something with ghost Hayden that doesn’t suck in the new movies. On a recent episode of Collider Jedi Council, they addressed the rumor that Yoda will appear as a ghost in The Last Jedi, and someone made a point that if Yoda does end up talking to Luke from beyond the grave onscreen, there’s nothing stopping Obi-Wan, Anakin, and (less likely) Qui-Gon. It’s a lot of "if"s, but IF they do bring in Anakin for TLJ, and IF they use Hayden, and IF his performance isn’t bad, and IF it feels earned in the context of the entire film, I would be open to including a post-2004 version of ROTJ in my complete saga watch-throughs.
At the risk of losing all credibility here, I could see myself accepting the Hayden version if they do something with ghost Hayden that doesn’t suck in the new movies. On a recent episode of Collider Jedi Council, they addressed the rumor that Yoda will appear as a ghost in The Last Jedi, and someone made a point that if Yoda does end up talking to Luke from beyond the grave onscreen, there’s nothing stopping Obi-Wan, Anakin, and (less likely) Qui-Gon. It’s a lot of "if"s, but IF they do bring in Anakin for TLJ, and IF they use Hayden, and IF his performance isn’t bad, and IF it feels earned in the context of the entire film, I would be open to including a post-2004 version of ROTJ in my complete saga watch-throughs.
I actually really respect this opinion. And I definetly think that Johnson could pull a far better performance out of Hayden than most would think.
At the risk of losing all credibility here, I could see myself accepting the Hayden version if they do something with ghost Hayden that doesn’t suck in the new movies. On a recent episode of Collider Jedi Council, they addressed the rumor that Yoda will appear as a ghost in The Last Jedi, and someone made a point that if Yoda does end up talking to Luke from beyond the grave onscreen, there’s nothing stopping Obi-Wan, Anakin, and (less likely) Qui-Gon. It’s a lot of "if"s, but IF they do bring in Anakin for TLJ, and IF they use Hayden, and IF his performance isn’t bad, and IF it feels earned in the context of the entire film, I would be open to including a post-2004 version of ROTJ in my complete saga watch-throughs.
There better be a good reason for it. That’s my mentality. I don’t inherently hate ghost Hayden, but I think in general ghost Anakin is a misguided concept. I’m not going to be completely close minded about it, but yeah, there better be a good reason for it.
I inherently hate Haydenghost because Obi-Wan and Yoda, who were true Jedi when they lived and when they died, can only appear as they were when they died. But Anikin, who was a true POS when he lived and did one right thing before he died, comes back looking like he’s ready for his photo shoot for TeenBeat.
Also, if they can bring back Peter Cushing, they can bring back a ghostly Sebastian Shaw.
At the risk of losing all credibility here
Yes, you lost all credibility.
Well if Alderaan doesn’t approve, maybe I am on to something after all.
Yeah, you immediately gained back whatever credibility you lost prior to his post.
Which would be less painful, Hayden coming back or Sebastian Shaw being resurrected?
Well if Alderaan doesn’t approve, maybe I am on to something after all.
You said you could see yourself accepting a PT character being inserted into one of the original films. Please, seek help.
Which would be less painful, Hayden coming back or Sebastian Shaw being resurrected?
Well, if that rumor is even true (and either way, why are we even talking about it outside the spoiler thread?), wouldn’t they pretty much have to go with Hayden? TFA was “version agnostic” in regards to the OT, but something like Ghost Anakin would need to pick a side and I don’t see them going with Shaw.
20 year old Hayden doesn’t exist anymore, so unless his ghost ages, that would be stupid.
Of course, it would be stupid to have Luke’s father’s ghost in any future movie anyway, but the storyline has pretty much turned into stupid by now anyway, so it would be par for the course.
Of course, it would be stupid to have Luke’s father’s ghost in any future movie anyway, but the storyline has pretty much turned into stupid by now anyway, so it would be par for the course.
Sorry, I try to stay out of the new film threads to not hijack them with negative comments
Hahahaha.