All Things Star Trek — Page 125

SwissArmyTin said:

Fang Zei said:

Search for Spock and Final Frontier both looked passably decent, if just barely. But there was still an unwanted amount of dnr and contrast-boosting going on.

There’s a 35mm scan of III floating around, and while it’s in dire need of a little cleanup and color correction, it’s miles better than the official bluray. For one, it’s much darker, which really helps set the mood better than that over-lit eyesore of a bluray. Heck, even the Genesis surface was much more convincing in places. The scan also included the laserdisc audio mix, which is crisper and more lively than the dull and flat mix used for the bluray.

Bwahhhh??? First I’m hearing of this. I wish someone would also scan a print of Voyage Home, it was beautiful!

I do recall reading of sound effects heard on the SFS laserdisc that are absent from the dvd and blu-ray mixes.

Voyager’s Macrocosm episode is a bit goofy although I’ve enjoyed Doctor themed episodes.

Jay said:

Paramount’s treatment of the film franchise on Blu-ray has been abysmal. They should be ashamed for misrepresenting the same recycled trash over and over as HD. I love Trek and I still refuse to buy them.

I totally agree with this. It was a missed opportunity of mass proportions. I am happy to have the SkyHD caps due to this huge misstep by Paramount.

The old Blu-ray was very blue, they corrected it somewhat. Plus, it was the safest option for the 50th, seeing as how it’s the most beloved film of the series.

Handman said:

The old Blu-ray was very blue, they corrected it somewhat. Plus, it was the safest option for the 50th, seeing as how it’s the most beloved film of the series.

The old blu-ray also shows some of the same contrast-boosting issues as the other five. I remember seeing a screenshot comparison of the shot where the Reliant and Enterprise first approach each other and the 2016 re-restoration is much more natural looking. The first six were released all at once back in '09, which probably means the same person/people were responsible for the final tweaks on all of them before the discs were pressed. There’s even a bit of dnr on that first WoK bd, it’s just nowhere near as bad as on the others thanks to the restoration.

Meyer mentioned overseeing (or at least signing off on) an hdr pass of the new 4k master. Maybe Paramount will finally do fresh scans of the other five once the wheels get moving on Khan’s UHD release. Who knows when that will be, though. With Meyer’s involvement with Discovery I was thinking it might be around the time it premieres (whenever that finally ends up being). Or maybe they’ll wait until the next movie, but that project’s status seems very up in the air after Beyond’s middling box office performance.

Fang Zei said:

Handman said:

The old Blu-ray was very blue, they corrected it somewhat. Plus, it was the safest option for the 50th, seeing as how it’s the most beloved film of the series.

The old blu-ray also shows some of the same contrast-boosting issues as the other five. I remember seeing a screenshot comparison of the shot where the Reliant and Enterprise first approach each other and the 2016 re-restoration is much more natural looking. The first six were released all at once back in '09, which probably means the same person/people were responsible for the final tweaks on all of them before the discs were pressed. There’s even a bit of dnr on that first WoK bd, it’s just nowhere near as bad as on the others thanks to the restoration.

Sorry for my voice / accent : https://youtu.be/vPfiYtBo0Wk?t=7m19s

That Klingon ship looks like complete shit.

pittrek said:

Fang Zei said:

Handman said:

The old Blu-ray was very blue, they corrected it somewhat. Plus, it was the safest option for the 50th, seeing as how it’s the most beloved film of the series.

The old blu-ray also shows some of the same contrast-boosting issues as the other five. I remember seeing a screenshot comparison of the shot where the Reliant and Enterprise first approach each other and the 2016 re-restoration is much more natural looking. The first six were released all at once back in '09, which probably means the same person/people were responsible for the final tweaks on all of them before the discs were pressed. There’s even a bit of dnr on that first WoK bd, it’s just nowhere near as bad as on the others thanks to the restoration.

Sorry for my voice / accent : https://youtu.be/vPfiYtBo0Wk?t=7m19s

Thank you for sharing, I subscribed as well!

Did the 2002 dvd recieve a different color-timing from the original dvd release a couple years earlier? I seem to recall reading a review that mentioned it. It would be interesting to see that initial dvd compared against the 2016 release as well.

NeverarGreat said:

SwissArmyTin said:

FanFiltration said:

Man this show is a complete train wreck!

When I first saw this Klingon ship concept I thought immediately of “Stargate: Atlantis”. And that is not a good thing.

The video I link to below is a fair rundown of the situation thus far.
“Star Trek Discovery in Trouble? Rumor Rundown” = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km5qVwZvjm8

What in christ’s sake is that thing

It looks like a trident covered in gothic cathedrals and mosques.

I see the Cloverfield monster with a topknot.

Aren’t Rorschach inkblots fun?

captainsolo said:

When I finish TOS I plan to dive right into the film series but I made sure to track down all six lds first. I had gotten the bds bundled with TOS and popped some in to see for myself…oh dear…

From my research notes it appears the initial DVDs were ports of the ld masters: some with 5.1 remixes of the 2.0 and the sequels were non anamorphic. The SE reissues cleaned all of these up and some may have 70mm derived 5.1 tracks but this is unconfirmed. Also the contrast may have been tweaked on some but without seeing for myself I can’t say for sure.
Anybody have both DVD runs?

As I remember it, the initial dvd releases of Final Frontier, TUC and Generations weren’t anamorphic but Wrath of Khan (theatrical), SFS and Voyage Home were. Then Paramount released the two-disc collector’s editions one at a time (I collected all of them before eventually selling them off in anticipation of the oh so disappointing blu-rays) starting with the TMP director’s edition. The MPAA actually changed the rating from G to PG simply because of the new sound mix, if you could believe it.

The DE of Khan followed shortly after. For SFS and Voyage Home they simply reused the existing transfers, this time putting them on dual-layered discs with a higher bitrate. Final Frontier, TUC and Generations were obviously remastered. Final Frontier looked very natural from what I remember, there was even some dirt and dust in certain shots but I certainly didn’t mind. TUC looked great, like it was from a brand new hd transfer, nice Super 35 grain and everything. Then there was Generations, which looked “overly crisp” as one review put it, but still much better than before thanks to its new anamorphic transfer.

First Contact had come out in '98 and was anamorphic from the get-go. I’m not sure if the collector’s dvd reused the existing transfer or not. Same goes for Insurrection and Nemesis.

Anyway, a little long-winded but I hope that helps!

captainsolo said:

When I finish TOS I plan to dive right into the film series but I made sure to track down all six lds first. I had gotten the bds bundled with TOS and popped some in to see for myself…oh dear…

From my research notes it appears the initial DVDs were ports of the ld masters: some with 5.1 remixes of the 2.0 and the sequels were non anamorphic. The SE reissues cleaned all of these up and some may have 70mm derived 5.1 tracks but this is unconfirmed. Also the contrast may have been tweaked on some but without seeing for myself I can’t say for sure.
Anybody have both DVD runs?

I get that the blu rays aren’t great transfers, but saying the laserdisc versions are better is nuts, unless color is the only thing you look for.