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Anakin Starkiller said:

Sir Ridley said:

I would not remove Death Star II. It’s iconic, it’s something that’s a big part of Star Wars, like it or not. I mean, it’s even the logo for this website.

Yes, I agree it’s more iconic than DS I due to its more interesting design, but I can easily think of it as DS I while still under construction.

A crazy thing to do would be to restructure the whole original trilogy so that DS II is DS I under construction, and combine the final battles of ANH and RotJ. Not sure that would work out, but…

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We could replace all exterior shots of DS1 with the more iconic DS2, and have that he the one and only Death Star. Then Eclispe for ROTJ.

I agree SKB should just be a base. Perhaps we could edit the exterior shots to make it a plain planet (the scale is really off, fuel oslicator is seeable from space about the size of Texas but on ground it’s the size of a football stadium).

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The biggest continuity error between TFA and TLJ is the placement of Kylo’s scar. In TFA it’s across his nose, and in TLJ it’s in a totally different spot. It would take some serious FX work for a small error, but the scar is only present in a few shots in TFA. I’d be intersted in seeing how this is tackled.

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OutboundFlight said:

I agree SKB should just be a base. Perhaps we could edit the exterior shots to make it a plain planet (the scale is really off, fuel oslicator is seeable from space about the size of Texas but on ground it’s the size of a football stadium).

So in this version, how would the destruction of the Hosnian system be handled? Would it be removed entirely (with perhaps the Star Destroyer shots from Restructured and a few of those changs), and only established in the crawl for TLJ?

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NeverarGreat said:

OutboundFlight said:

I agree SKB should just be a base. Perhaps we could edit the exterior shots to make it a plain planet (the scale is really off, fuel oslicator is seeable from space about the size of Texas but on ground it’s the size of a football stadium).

So in this version, how would the destruction of the Hosnian system be handled? Would it be removed entirely (with perhaps the Star Destroyer shots from Restructured and a few of those changs), and only established in the crawl for TLJ?

Personally I didn’t care for the Hosnian destruction, it felt very empty, repetitive, and for such a huge event had very little impact on things. I don’t recall any mention of it in the ST besides Finn’s line in TFA, though I might be wrong.

I’d prefer to start the ST with the First Order and New Republic at war, plain and simple. The New Republic was at peace before Snoke appeared and aren’t prepared for war, leaving Leia’s small resistance all that’s left for now. Over the course of TLJ Leia’s army is picked off (while similar events happen over the galaxy) and by the end the First Order has control over most of the galaxy, leaving the Resistance all that’s left. Republic capitol isn’t important to the First Order, they probably waltz in with their far superior fleet.

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I guess I’m still trying to wrap my head around how you could possibly remove the Starkiller base weapon from the plot. The entire idea of the Resistance attacking the base is to destabilize the weapon and potentially destroy the planet, which makes sense if the weapon is the planet. But if the First Order merely has a base on the surface of an ice world, how would the planet be destroyed?

I was toying with the idea in my Starlight edit that the base could also be a Star Forge, using the energy of the sun to create fleets of Imperial vessels. Something like that would differentiate it from the Death Star and allow this idea of a base that builds starships:

The last of the Jedi has
vanished. In his absence,
a secret Imperial Order
has completed construction
of a fortress that can
devour entire stars.

Harnessing this power to
rebuild their once-mighty
starfleet, this emboldened
FIRST ORDER launches
a devastating attack on
the capitol planets of the
New Republic.

Escaping the destruction,
only one general salvages
a desperate RESISTANCE,
and sends a pilot in search
of the long-lost Jedi,
guardian of peace and
justice in the galaxy…

There would need to be a lot of changes to the Resistance briefing scene, where they talk about the hyperlighspeed weapon, and of course cutting the Hosnian destruction and every instance of the ‘weapon’ being recharged. Perhaps we see the sun getting drained again early in the movie, and this continues throughout with the implication that the First Order is constructing new ships inside the planet.

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Imhotep said:

Not sure how much help I’ll be in keeping my suggestions limited hahah D: so it’s good that others are on point to do that. RogueLeader, your reference of the Phantom Editor makes an excellent point. It’s super important to keep in mind what’s possible in editing, and to work within the films that we have for a project like this. I do think that certain ideas, like changing PT lightsaber colours, fall under the TFA Restructured principle of “improving the function of something within the story”. Improving narrative function goes a bit beyond resolving inconsistencies, but if it’s a simple and effective change then I’m fine with that.

Haha, don’t say that! I know how you feel though. I am just trying to channel that raw creative power into more tangible ideas. We all have different perspectives and opinions on these films, so all it takes is one suggestion to help spark an amazing idea! So I want everyone to share their ideas on here. And I think your point about how some changes that may seem radical to some still could fit within what this edit is trying to do. I’ll have to have a more in depth debate about lightsaber colors. I’ll be on your side of that debate too!

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

I like this idea! This is what I’m talking about. And it would make sense for them to have a native language since they’re apparently so isolated. This would at least give some in-universe reason why they talk like that. I would interested in what the logistics of something like this would be. I am still pretty amateur when it comes to sound mixing.

I agree with a lot of your ideas. With the purple saber thing, I think even one other purple saber in just one shot would at least establish that, while rare, it isn’t unique. Just a little change at least but worth further discussion. I also agree with having Anakin not appear as a force ghost. I think while he did redeem himself, he does needs some kind of atonement for all the bad he did, so immediately gaining immortality doesn’t seem right to me. And maybe he figured out how to become one with the force later like Qui-Gon did. So I wouldn’t necessarily mind the removal of the force ghosts at the end either, personally.

I’m going to save all of your ideas/suggestions. Thanks for sharing them.

Anakin Starkiller said:
I think a good rule of thumb is “Is it in Lego Star Wars: The Complete Saga?”

Haha, I like this guideline!

TK-422 said:

The biggest continuity error between TFA and TLJ is the placement of Kylo’s scar. In TFA it’s across his nose, and in TLJ it’s in a totally different spot. It would take some serious FX work for a small error, but the scar is only present in a few shots in TFA. I’d be intersted in seeing how this is tackled.

Sir Ridley has mentioned that he was planning on making his scar look more like it does in TFA. So if he does, we will lovingly steal from him if he’s willing.

This conversation has been pretty interesting here and I’d love to dive into it, but I am going to change direction a little. I decided to go ahead and get started on an edit or two. The first one I’ve gone with is, “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough”. It’s not perfect, but hopefully it’ll get the ball rolling.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1po2s1wzISp5bTV4K3UeN0znrlFQEmGe0

Something I need to figure out is what to do about sources. I’ve used DEED for this edit, which I think would keep it universal for others to use. But I still have some learning to do regarding lossless versions, proper sound mixing, etc. I know most people use MegaVideo to share footage, so I appreciate any input on the logistics of this.

I figured for now I can host a google drive folder where we can put our edits. The full edits won’t be shared in this thread though obviously, just the clips.

If anyone would like to try and tackle any other issues please feel free to share it. I think it’d be great to start with the simpler consistency issues first. Later I’ll share my own thoughts on the item list as well.

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RogueLeader said:

Sir Ridley has mentioned that he was planning on making his scar look more like it does in TFA. So if he does, we will lovingly steal from him if he’s willing.

Yep, that’s the plan. I’ll probably upload useful FX shots I make separately so they can easily be inserted into other edits.

RogueLeader said:

This conversation has been pretty interesting here and I’d love to dive into it, but I am going to change direction a little. I decided to go ahead and get started on an edit or two. The first one I’ve gone with is, “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough”. It’s not perfect, but hopefully it’ll get the ball rolling.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1po2s1wzISp5bTV4K3UeN0znrlFQEmGe0

Seamless! Personally I don’t mind that Obi-Wan would lie about that, he’s hiding the truth about his father anyway. But if that’s too controversial then this edit would work well as a replacement.

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Are you planning on fixing the TFA scar shots to match TLJ, or the other way around? Because one of those things sounds much more difficult than the other…

I think you’re crazy
Maybe

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ChainsawAsh said:

Are you planning on fixing the TFA scar shots to match TLJ, or the other way around? Because one of those things sounds much more difficult than the other…

Change TFA to match TLJ, naturally. 😉

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Sir Ridley said:

RogueLeader said:

Sir Ridley has mentioned that he was planning on making his scar look more like it does in TFA. So if he does, we will lovingly steal from him if he’s willing.

Yep, that’s the plan. I’ll probably upload useful FX shots I make separately so they can easily be inserted into other edits.

RogueLeader said:

This conversation has been pretty interesting here and I’d love to dive into it, but I am going to change direction a little. I decided to go ahead and get started on an edit or two. The first one I’ve gone with is, “Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough”. It’s not perfect, but hopefully it’ll get the ball rolling.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1po2s1wzISp5bTV4K3UeN0znrlFQEmGe0

Seamless! Personally I don’t mind that Obi-Wan would lie about that, he’s hiding the truth about his father anyway. But if that’s too controversial then this edit would work well as a replacement.

For the scar thing, yep, changing TFA to match makes perfect sense.

As for the Obi Wan line, I think that was done great! As a personal note, I didn’t mind the original line since we know he was pretty much lying the whole time to Luke anyway. But, this edit does not bother me at all, especially since it was done perfectly fine. That is an A-ok edit to me.

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The Obi-wan line replacement works better than I would’ve thought. That’s a change I’ve wanted to make for a long time, and it’s cool to see it work. In my mind, the original line is a lie too far with ROTS in line. All that needs done is filling SFX in that gap where the audio cuts out, and it’s probably perfect.

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Imhotep said:

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

I’ve had that on my change list for a while.

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Sir Ridley said:

Yep, that’s the plan. I’ll probably upload useful FX shots I make separately so they can easily be inserted into other edits.

Seamless! Personally I don’t mind that Obi-Wan would lie about that, he’s hiding the truth about his father anyway. But if that’s too controversial then this edit would work well as a replacement.

Thanks Ridley! And I think this line and one or two others, in the context of the prequels, makes Obi-Wan ride a thin line between lying to protect Luke and lying to manipulate him. You could argue that he is just making a few little white lies to motivate Luke to become a Jedi and join the fight, but I feel like that this wasn’t intended to be the way it was interpreted, and I think it goes against Obi-Wan’s characterization. I don’t think Obi-Wan would make up stuff to persuade Luke. And one of the points of the project I think is to generate connectivity between the films, and this change removes an apparent contradiction. But I do agree with you that in reality it doesn’t bother me that much. It doesn’t make the original unwatchable obviously, haha.

DominicCobb said:

The Obi-wan line replacement works better than I would’ve thought. That’s a change I’ve wanted to make for a long time, and it’s cool to see it work. In my mind, the original line is a lie too far with ROTS in line. All that needs done is filling SFX in that gap where the audio cuts out, and it’s probably perfect.

That gap you mention, in that spot I overlay some room ambience I got from a break in the conversation after Obi-Wan says “and he was a good friend”. I increased the audio gain slightly in hopes that it would match up pretty well. So there is ambient there, but maybe it isn’t perfect since we don’t hear a creeking ‘chest opening up sound’ or something like that.

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RogueLeader said:

DominicCobb said:

The Obi-wan line replacement works better than I would’ve thought. That’s a change I’ve wanted to make for a long time, and it’s cool to see it work. In my mind, the original line is a lie too far with ROTS in line. All that needs done is filling SFX in that gap where the audio cuts out, and it’s probably perfect.

That gap you mention, in that spot I overlay some room ambience I got from a break in the conversation after Obi-Wan says “and he was a good friend”. I increased the audio gain slightly in hopes that it would match up pretty well. So there is ambient there, but maybe it isn’t perfect since we don’t hear a creeking ‘chest opening up sound’ or something like that.

Yeah it’s almost there, you just need more of that creaking, and/or the sound of Luke working on C-3PO, which we can hear before and after.

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The sound of Luke working on 3PO is there, just really faint I think. Maybe I can try to slightly shift the ambient track and increase the audio gain a little and see if it sounds any better. If anyone can find a decent creaking sound effect please share it, I think that might help sell it.

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RogueLeader said:

The sound of Luke working on 3PO is there, just really faint I think. Maybe I can try to slightly shift the ambient track and increase the audio gain a little and see if it sounds any better. If anyone can find a decent creaking sound effect please share it, I think that might help sell it.

Watching it again, I can hear that, but yeah maybe a tad too faint. I think the issue is the creaking chest which we hear then suddenly don’t hear.

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Paja did this and it looks great:

paja said:

Here’s a quick mockup i did when i was bored. After Before

(Sorry for the Size differences)

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That’s very cool! I have had two ideas on Dooku within the films. I always felt it would be interesting to have him be on the Jedi Council (preferably replace him with Yaddle), even if he doesn’t say anything.

Another idea was to still have him be a Sith Lord, but have him still use a blue or green lightsaber. The idea being that by posing as a rogue Jedi, he is hurting the Jedi’s reputation, and Palpatine could even argue that the Jedi were the one’s who set up the war in order to take control of the Republic. But that’s basically what already happened because I don’t think the public recognized him as a Sith Lord. I don’t even know if the public knows who the Sith are, so lightsaber color would be kind of arbitrary, and it would also make it unwatchable with the Clone Wars unless you edited them as well.

And thanks for the feedback guys, I’m glad you like it.

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Okay, so I’m about to take a bit of a dive regarding Obi-Wan and the questions of continuity that surround him in A New Hope. I’m going to start by breaking down his lines in question, discuss them and what can be done.

“Come here, my little friend.”
Could be changed to ‘old’ friend, but you would have to replicate the ambience, find an appropriate sounding ‘old’ and fix the music as well. And change his mouth movements. I’m not really capable of such a change myself at the moment.

“I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.”

Nitpicky, but the ‘oh’ sort of implies he hadn’t gone by that name for a period of time before Luke was born, rather than just hours before he was born. Two alternatives to this:
“I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since before you were born.”
or
“I haven’t gone by the name Oi-Wan since you were born.”
The shot cuts to the next one on the word ‘since’, so it might be a relatively easy change if were deemed worthy.

“I never seem to remember owning a droid.”
You could argue Obi-Wan never owned R4, maybe it was Republic property technically or something. But, the line makes it seem like he really doesn’t know R2, because he would know that wasn’t his droid. So, you could just cut the line, and Obi-Wan’s next line would be “Very interesting…” which is much more ambiguous to how much he knows.

“He [Owen] feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like your father did.”
From the prequels we know this isn’t the case. But, since Owen didn’t know Anakin when he was taken by the Jedi, and Obi-Wan is a Jedi, Obi-Wan could just be repeating what Owen has said to Obi-Wan in the past and how he sees the situation. Owen and Obi-Wan clearly don’t have a good relationship, he might resent or blame Obi-Wan for taking his mother-in-law’s son away from her, for the fate of Anakin and for Luke being an orphan. And he certainly wouldn’t want Luke to become a Jedi.

And, the first time Owen hears the name ‘Obi-Wan’ is when 3PO tells Anakin and Padme that they have a message from him in AOTC. Anakin and Padme check the message, they leave, and shortly after the Clone Wars begin. I could just picture a situation where after Shmi’s death, Owen could’ve told Anakin that he wasn’t alone, that they were his family now and he was welcome to be a part of it. Instead, he followed Obi-Wan’s message and went on some damn fool idealistic crusade.
So, I think this still can work. But, just to present an alternative, you could possibly cut “like your father did”, just to take away any possible confusion. It might be a difficult cut though because of how quickly he says it.

“Now, let’s see if we can figure out what you are, my little friend, and where you come from.”
We haven’t really mentioned this line but this shows that he obviously doesn’t recognize R2, or he is pretending to not know in front of Luke. But why? You could argue that during Lei’a hologram, he realizes it is R2 when he gives him that look, but Luke says “3PO” when he completely forgot to check on him in the Judland Wastes and that didn’t phase Obi-Wan. Maybe you could argue he doesn’t really know 3PO well.

Honestly from this line alone, which would be hard to cut/alter because of its position, I would find it necessary to go with the forgetful or lying Obi-Wan angle. So, we could try to cut as much interaction between R2 and Obi-Wan in the prequels as Hal tries to do in his edits (can’t really take Clone Wars into account).

If you were to keep all or most of Obi-Wan’s ‘white’ lies, it seems to clear to me that Obi-Wan was trying to blatantly manipulate Luke to fulfill his apparent destiny, since Rebels implies that Obi-Wan believes Luke is the chosen one. It makes sense why he would, Obi-Wan probably believes the fate of the galaxy rests in Luke’s hands, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was manipulating a boy. In some uncomfortable ways it parallels the Anakin/Sidious and Snoke/Ben relationships, but for the light. For the greater good, which also makes me see parallels with the relationship between Dumbledore and Harry Potter. Dumbledore knew Harry’s destiny, yet he still put him on that path in order to fulfill the prophecy and stop the threat of Voldemort. You can understand the motivation of the mentor (Obi-Wan/Dumbledore), but their actions are questionable at best, and makes it a little stranger that Leia would feel compelled to name her son after him. Then again, Harry did name his son after Dumbledore.

If we were to stick with this interpretation of his character, I definitely think we need to lean into that angle however we can. We should do things from ROTJ like cut “From a certain point of view.” or at least the “many truth we cling to depend on our own point of view” line. Obi-Wan lied to Luke, and he shouldn’t dance around it. I also feel like we shouldn’t see the Force ghosts at the end of the film, because Luke chose his own path, and he doesn’t need their ghosts to give him these looks of approval. When he goes to see Yoda, he should be a little angry, distant at least, but not apologetic like he is in the film. But that’s just my opinion. Going with this angle also would set up why has lost faith in the Jedi in the Last Jedi and wants it to end, and calls out Obi-Wan for training Darth Vader.

The thing is, you could keep this angle regardless, because no matter what he still has to lie about Darth Vader, but lying about all of the little details to make Luke feel like he should follow his father’s path and become a Jedi (in order to eventually kill his own father) seem a little extreme, and very manipulative.

If anyone has any ideas for that line, I’d like to hear them. A solution for it could probably allow us to retain option 1, written below. So, here are my thoughts of possible routes.
Try to have Obi-Wan remember R2, at least, and remove his white lies.
Limit Obi-Wan and the droids interactions in prequels whenever possible, stick with the forgetful Obi-Wan angle, but cut the white lies.
Make it clear that Obi-Wan is lying to Luke in order to push him into a path of destiny, and don’t let Luke brush it under the rug after he finds out.
But honestly, I don’t really know what the purpose of lying to Luke about not knowing the droids would be, so I think it either should be he barely interacted with them in the past, or he does remember them.

At the moment, I’m actually starting to be in favor of the manipulation angle and keeping a lot of his lies/misdirections. It would make sense for the story, but I think we would need to drive that home in ROTJ. Regardless, I would like to keep “I wanted you to have this” since I’ve already made it, and I think it would still work for the manipulative Obi-Wan angle as well.

But please share your thoughts on this, and how changes for your ideas could be implemented.

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Nice work with the edit, RogueLeader.

Anakin Starkiller said:

Imhotep said:

As Jar Jar has been brought up a bit, one way to add some nuance to the Gungans (without removing Jar Jar as I agree that this can’t be done, it would break the plot of both ep1 and ep2) could be to dub them with a fake alien language with subtitles when two Gunguns are talking to each other, like in the swamp scene or the final battle of ep1. This would imply that their poor use of English/Basic is because it’s a second language for them.

I’ve had that on my change list for a while.

Ah excellent, do you have any thoughts on how to execute this idea to dub and subtitle the Gungans? My view on this is that the easiest way would be to use audio from something else in the Star Wars universe. I’d go for the Knights of the Old Republic games, as they have several different alien languages. The Rakata language might be appropriate as they don’t appear in the films, and given their appearance the Gungans could possibly have evolved from Rakatans, or be a subspecies. Lip sync could be a problem, but it’d be worth a try. Would have to change the pitch for Jar Jar though, as his voice is far too high. The Rakata language can be heard in this video: https://youtu.be/kGp5NJK-FyI?list=PLMpTBRgc57RSNbXpIs9PIQDi2Wmjl46l9&t=848

My take on Dooku is that the public don’t really know the difference between the Jedi and the Sith. I guess some would, but the Sith are not obviously evil to most people in the star wars universe. That said, I don’t have a problem with changing Dooku’s lightsaber colour if people are keen to work on that addition.

The deception plot with Obi-Wan is fine with me, I think if we trim the odd bit or inconsistency, like not knowing R2 and the “point of view” bit then it should be okay. Manipulating Luke to kill his father is a bit extreme, but the stakes are high, and I think Yoda and Obi-Wan would’ve told Luke eventually, if he hadn’t run off in ep5 before his training was complete. Also, R2 is deceiving Luke as well, in ep4 to get him to save Leia (by leading him to his old pal Obi-Wan), and in ep5 by not telling Luke about Vader. There’s also a moment in ep5 (when Luke goes into the cave on Dagobah) where R2 and Yoda could’ve had a long chat without Luke around, I like to think they did anyway. This fits with 3PO (and not R2) being given a memory wipe at the end of ep3, but I’m not sure if that’s what Lucas intended. Basically the PT makes things super convoluted, but I think we can make it make sense with a few additional cuts.

“Come here, my little friend.” / If the change can be made as you suggest then it would be an improvement, but the theatrical line is fine as is.

“I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since, oh, before you were born.” / Changing this to “I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since you were born” sounds like a good idea to me.

I’d cut “I never seem to remember owning a droid.” Should be simple enough to do.

“He [Owen] feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damn fool idealistic crusade, like your father did.” / Would be a good idea to cut “like your father did”, as this isn’t really what happened. Maybe if we’d had a few extra scenes between Owen and Anakin in ep2 it might have made sense, but as things are I find it to be a confusing inconsistency.

“Now, let’s see if we can figure out what you are, my little friend, and where you come from” / One option could be to remove the words “what you are” if possible, as this is the problematic part of the line (the cut should work for the image, but the audio may be a problem).

One option to make the final dialogue between Luke and Obi-Wan in ep6 more meaningful is to cut Yoda telling Luke he has a sister, and leave that for Obi-Wan. So then it’s more like he’s coming clean about the last part of the deception, rather than being prompted by Luke.

I’ve made a few cuts of these and some other ideas, I should have time to organise and upload them over the weekend.