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Originally posted by: ricarleite
Darth Chaltab, one of the few conservatives it's worth talking to.
First, it's stupid because it's a childish definition. There is no evil, not even in SW, there's always a motivation, a reason.
Second, I'll never EVER stop believing in peace. I mean, what is your definition of an ideal world? A non-ending war? I'm fighting for the ideal world, the world I want our children to be raised in.
Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Ultimately that is our choice, but we may feel so strongly that what we are doing is the right thing that we are blinded to the consequences of our actions; also, the pressure on us to go in a certain direction may be so strong that we never consider making any other possible decision.
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Originally posted by: Ricarleite
Second, I'll never EVER stop believing in peace. I mean, what is your definition of an ideal world? A non-ending war? I'm fighting for the ideal world, the world I want our children to be raised in.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
There are certain pressures within culture and society that work on us, leading us to either do good or evil
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Originally posted by: Skipper
Ricarleite, world peace is easy to talk about, but impossible to attain. First of all, in an ideal world, we would all be communist. The failure of communism in the USSR is proof that pure communism is a dream. People aren't perfect. There will always be evil people regardless of whether or not people believe in evil. People who don't believe in the concept of good and evil have never been on the recieving end of true horror. Do you think the iraqies would deny the existance of evil? The dipute on evil is the handiwork of stuffed up philosiphers who have no true concept of the horrors of the world.
QuoteThat's a rather negative way of looking at it.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
So what's the point, if we'll never live in a world that is worth living in? What's the point, if we'll forever live in a world filled with war and "evil"? Let's all kill ourselves right now, there's no point in continuing this madness called the human race...
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Originally posted by: Skipper
Nobody gets to be president of the US as a total and complete moron, which is what it would take to go to war over a false pretense.Quote
Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
There are certain pressures within culture and society that work on us, leading us to either do good or evil
GundarkHunter, every action people make is a concious desicion to perform that action. Society may put pressures on us, but the action that we finally choose is in the end, our desicion.
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Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
While social pressures may be strong, they are never so strong that we become slaves to societal pressure. If we do, it's our own fault.
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
The fact of the matter is that becoming President of the USA has much more to do with public perception (manufactured or otherwise) and one's connections within the political machine (not what you know but who you know). There are those who argue that you could have nominated a trained monkey as GOP and the race would have turned out the same.
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Originally posted by: Skipper
Even if something tlike that happened it means that the people backing the president are complete political geniuses to pull it off. So if a stupid president was elected, he would have good advisors to back him up.
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Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
And can you really say we would be in a better position with Al "Cars will destroy the World" Gore as president?
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Originally posted by: Warbler
First thing, I am not a conservative nor liberal. I consider myself neither Democrat nor Republican. I consider myself independent. Second I too hate Bush. I think he lied to us and I think he is a bad president I never voted for him nor do I intend to. Has America made mistakes? Of course it has. I'm not saying that we are angels, all I'm trying to say is that there is no justication for murder. And I know I'm going to get you all ranting and raving at me, but murder is not the same as making war. Vietnam,Korea, and Iraq are wars(maybe not justified wars but wars none the less),The first attack on the twin towers was not war, 911 was not a war, the beheading of an innocent civilian is not war they were murder. I don't want to kill innocent people. I just want these murderers brought to justice. If these people had legitimate gripes they should have stated them. One of the great things about America is that we have the freedom of speech. They could have come here and made there gripes known. I at least would have listened but instead they choose to attack us. That is not the way to solve your problems volence is the last resort, not the first. That goes for the USA as well.
As for Iraq. Were Bushes reasons for going to war correct? no, he lied about the WMDs and the connection with terrorists. However, is Iraq better off without Saddam? I would have to beleive that the people of Iraq would have to say yes. I'm not saying that they are better off with the USA controlling their Country, But I just can't believe that they would actually want to live under Saddam's murderous cruel dictatorship. Does that justify our war to remove him? I don't know. But I think right now whether or not we were right in our invasion, we just can't eave Iraq untill it has a stable government otherwise we risk another Saddam or worst another Hitler.
As for why people hate the USA. That is a difficult question. I think its for different reasons. I think some think we are evil. Others just hate Capitalism and/or democracy. Others hate us because they think we hate them. Some of it has also has to do with religion. But I think one reason that is not often talked about is I think people hate us because its cool to hate us. They think by opposing the most powerful nation on the earth that , that somehow makes them brave and noble I believe alot of you fall into the last category. Its easy to think that such a powerful country is evil but that doesn't make it so. I'm sorry for being such an evil arrogant American but thats the way I am.
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Originally posted by: ricarleiteQuote
Originally posted by: Darth Chaltab
And can you really say we would be in a better position with Al "Cars will destroy the World" Gore as president?
Why not? Because he's a democrat? I'm assuming you're a voter, Chaltab, am I correct?
BTW voting should be obligatory in the USA. And the majority of the votes should decide who gets the job. And people should learn that there are more than 2 political parties, more than 2 ideas to vote for.
Princess Leia: I happen to like nice men.
Han Solo: I'm a nice man.