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"Roger, Roger."
That's when it hit me.
真実
When did you realize the Prequels sucked? — Page 8
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I'd say we could trace it all the way back to the opening crawl of TPM:
...the taxation of interstellar trade routes...
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TV's Frink said:
Man, some of you people *really* hated Prometheus.
Don't get me started! =P
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I didn't hate Prometheus.
Of course, that's because I didn't watch it. =P
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DuracellEnergizer said:
I didn't hate Prometheus.
Of course, that's because I didn't watch it. =P
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As soon as I heard they were turning the Space Jockeys into blue humanoids, I was out. I haven't regretted my decision yet, and judging by all the film's bad press, I probably won't.
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TPM I could still enjoy while I did not really like it that much. In ATOC Anakin was an annoying jerk right from the start so I was immediately annoyed by the film. But when on top of that he started to whine in a love scene, I knew that there is a zero chance I will ever enjoy this film.
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imperialscum said:
TPM I could still enjoy while I did not really like it that much. In ATOC Anakin was an annoying jerk right from the start so I was immediately annoyed by the film. But when on top of that he started to whine in a love scene, I knew that there is a zero chance I will ever enjoy this film.
The other thing is that (IMO), the Jedi look really stupid (I mean their appearance) in the prequels. Sure, everyone in ANH looks a bit seventies, but being of its time is to be expected, and that aesthetic is even fairly cool now anyway. But in Menace, child Anakin has the default "movie kid" haircut, Qui Gon and Obi Wan both have terrible hair, and it doesn't really get better until Sith, when at last it stops being about mullets and crew cuts with rat's tails. The more I think about it, the more it seems they couldn't get anything right at all in the prequels*. Compare this to Obi-Wan in the ANH, where he has a simple, dignified appearance. He'd never Phantom Menace style Jedi hair!
*Actually, to be fair, the sound in the prequels is really good, IMO. Star Wars has a very unique sound style to it, and the prequel sound designers did a good job of creating new sounds that felt like they belonged within the Star Wars universe, unlike much of the visual design, which (for me) didn't really feel at all like it was part of the same world.
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grainger said:
Qui Gon and Obi Wan both have terrible hair
Qui-Gon has terrible hair?!
It's obvious you're just jealous of his thick, luxurious tresses.
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DuracellEnergizer said:
grainger said:
Qui Gon and Obi Wan both have terrible hair
Qui-Gon has terrible hair?!
It's obvious you're just jealous of his thick, luxurious tresses.
I have very thick hair (barbers have commented on it!) and I used to have it very long. It's the "long at the back, short at the front" part that's the problem (I know he has it tied back, rather than cut short at the front, but it has much the same effect).
Seriously, many people (at least here in the UK) were laughing at Qui Gon's hair when the movie came out (for example, a newspaper article called the Jedi the "bad hair crusaders"); maybe it's just something that's cool in one country and not in another, which I suppose isn't Lucas' fault, but I can only bring my own perspective to it.
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I must say that at first viewing, Episode one did not irritate me that much. It was obviously not at the level of the first movies, but I still had trust in Lucas for it to be just "part 1 of a bigger plan" for the entire prelogy. Like Lucas said "You'll understand when the 6 movies saga is complete"... Yeah, right... It's only when I saw Episode 2 that I told myself "Okay, not only it's not good, but it's really going nowhere".
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grainger said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
grainger said:
Qui Gon and Obi Wan both have terrible hair
Qui-Gon has terrible hair?!
It's obvious you're just jealous of his thick, luxurious tresses.
I have very thick hair (barbers have commented on it!) and I used to have it very long. It's the "long at the back, short at the front" part that's the problem (I know he has it tied back, rather than cut short at the front, but it has much the same effect).
Seriously, many people (at least here in the UK) were laughing at Qui Gon's hair when the movie came out (for example, a newspaper article called the Jedi the "bad hair crusaders"); maybe it's just something that's cool in one country and not in another, which I suppose isn't Lucas' fault, but I can only bring my own perspective to it.
JFTR, my response was far from serious. =P
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DuracellEnergizer said:
grainger said:
DuracellEnergizer said:
grainger said:
Qui Gon and Obi Wan both have terrible hair
Qui-Gon has terrible hair?!
It's obvious you're just jealous of his thick, luxurious tresses.
I have very thick hair (barbers have commented on it!) and I used to have it very long. It's the "long at the back, short at the front" part that's the problem (I know he has it tied back, rather than cut short at the front, but it has much the same effect).
Seriously, many people (at least here in the UK) were laughing at Qui Gon's hair when the movie came out (for example, a newspaper article called the Jedi the "bad hair crusaders"); maybe it's just something that's cool in one country and not in another, which I suppose isn't Lucas' fault, but I can only bring my own perspective to it.
JFTR, my response was far from serious. =P
Oh, OK. After your post, it did occur to me that I don't know what hairstyles other posters have, and I might have caused great offence! For the record, I have a Bad Hair Life, because of the aforementioned thickness - it fights back!
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When Jar Jar wasn't funny or cute at all and the only thing that I like from Menace was Maul. Oh, and the fact that the whole Sith thing was only explained in the novel, so you had to shell out $20 more for the complete story.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
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lovelikewinter said:
Oh, and the fact that the whole Sith thing was only explained in the novel...
You know, I've never considered that before. They spend a good portion of time explaining various things to little Annie, including midichlorians, but they don't devote a second to explaining who the Sith are or their beef with the Jedi.
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Well, my story only answers some peripherally-related questions:
I realized that the world in general might think the prequels sucked before TPM even opened. There was a popular theatre in town that opted not to show TPM when the whole world was still getting hyped for it. When asked by a local reporter, they said they always had to consider if a movie "had legs" or not based on a preview screening, and TPM, in their opinion, did not have legs. My reaction to the story was that I thought the only way for a new Star Wars movie to have no legs would be if it were two hours of Lucas vomiting on the camera. Anything better than that, even if only slightly better, would make money. Turns out I was right, but not the way I'd hoped.
The first time I admitted the prequels sucked was to my German professor. We were doing a "conversational German" evaluation, so we pretty much talked about whatever we wanted to. He asked me what I did that weekend, and I told him about going to see TPM, with all those people dressed in costumes and lining up around the block, etc. He then asked if the movie was good, and... I kinda got defensive. I said "Well, no, it's not good, but it was a big party--like Woodstock for our generation. If you asked someone who went to Woodstock if the music was any good, you've missed the point." But it turned out I was actually wrong on this count--whether the movie was good or not did in fact matter. I was still very much in denial about the direction Star Wars was taking--I thought the Special Editions were interesting alternate might-have-been versions, but if someone told me Lucas actually intended to erase the classic films from history and replace them with these CGI experiments, I'd have said they were crazy.
The first time I realized the entire modern Star Wars franchise sucked was after seeing AOTC. It showed TPM was no fluke, and meanwhile the aforementioned crazy talk about the Special Editions was turning out to be true. There was literally nothing left in the Star Wars universe that didn't suck--the good stuff had been removed, everything left was crap, and the only prospects were for more crap. This was about the time of my long, dark winter of Star Wars, where I pretty much gave up and let it die.
I went to see ROTS on a lark, with the guy I saw terrible movies with, often with free tickets he could get. I saw Alien vs Predator and Signs with him, so this could hardly be worse, right? And besides, this one was getting lukewarm reviews for a change. Oh. My. God. I thought AOTC was as bad as the prequels could possibly get, but I was so, so wrong. We didn't talk about it, we didn't laugh about it, we just left. If the tickets weren't free I would have asked for my money back.
At this point Star Wars films were sharing company with Battlefield Earth in my pantheon of films never to watch again under any circumstances, no matter how drunk.
But then I had a kid, and later another, and sought out the versions I actually did remember loving so many years earlier, and found this place. It turns out Star Wars actually is great... if you can find it.
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RicOlie_2 said:
Bourbon said:
In my opinion, the prequels did not suck. I enjoyed them as much as the OT and my favorite of the 6 is ROTS, but I love them all. However, a number of people did not enjoy the PT for various reasons, so I accept that they are not for everybody.
That's pretty much exactly what I thought until I was about 12. :P
That's exactly the same for me, actually no... I always hated AOTC :P
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
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I agree with bourbon. i feel the same way about the prequels as i do about the jj abrams startrek movies. although im a longtime fan and love the originals, i have no problem with the newer movies. they are different, but i like them. will anyone ever be as cool as han solo? no. but ewan mcgregor does a pretty awesome turn as young obi wan, and definitely comes close.
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Padme said:
I agree with bourbon.
Cheers.
*clink*
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TV's Frink said:
Padme said:
I agree with bourbon.
Cheers.
*clink*
I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or not XD
Prequel Fan-Edit thread: http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Yet-another-series-of-prequel-edits/id/17329
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Smithers said:
TV's Frink said:
Padme said:
I agree with bourbon.
Cheers.
*clink*
I can't tell if you're agreeing with him or not XD
He just needed an excuse to get the bourbon out.
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For me it was a very delayed reaction.
May of 2006, finding out that the unaltered Star Wars dvd's would be sourced from the 1993 laserdisc and not, at the very least, a fresh transfer from an IP or something so that it could at least be presented in modern dvd quality, absolutely infuriated me. I realized at that moment just how badly the franchise had been handled for almost an entire decade. For some reason it just didn't catch up to me until then.
I realized it would have been much better had the SE's simply never happened and GL handed off the prequels to other writers and directors, just as he'd done with Empire and, to a certain extent, Jedi. Instead, he went the exact opposite route, directing the prequels himself and altering the originals to fit with his "vision."
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Fang Zei said:
For me it was a very delayed reaction.
May of 2006, finding out that the unaltered Star Wars dvd's would be sourced from the 1993 laserdisc ...
Not only delayed, but a complete non sequitur reaction to a completely unrelated event. Strange indeed.
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CO said:
@Tyrphanax:
I totally agree with your outline of the PT, as I always thought it should have started in Episode II.I think the first scene of Episode I should have been Obiwan/Anakin on the elevator talking about that adventure where Anakin saves him. In fact all through Episode I they should have been friends, so the damn audience can actually like the character of Anakin!
The idea of having 2 actors play Anakin 10 years apart was a bad decision by Lucas, because youre asking the audience to like 2 different actors, and it is jarring at the beginning of Episode as you get used to an older Anakin. What makes ESB so great is that all the characters are there from Star Wars, the audience doesnt need any introductions, and the movie can get right into the plot.As for Episode II, Lucas should have had Palpatine play on Anakin the whole movie and then he turns at the end of the movie, or some type of cliffhanger that makes you wonder if he turns.
Then ALL of Episode III can be a 2+ hour movie of the last hour of ROTS that is on screen now, as it wouldn't seem like a connect the dots movie as it is now.
This is how the prequels should have been handled. I really wish someone would "remake" the prequels into their own fan-films, they'd probably be far better than the prequels, unless it's already been done.
“That said, there is nothing wrong with mocking prequel lovers and belittling their bad taste.” - Alderaan, 2017
MGGA (Make GOUT Great Again):
http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Return-of-the-GOUT-Preservation-and-Restoration/id/55707
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I'm pretty sure that's what Adywan is planning to do once he finishes ESB:R.