The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS ** — Page 38

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

TavorX said:

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Because he is a flawed character who thought he was too dangerous to do any good. It’s kinda the necessary foundation for his character arc.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

So he basically did the exact same thing he did in the end of RotJ in a more badass way?

I would say this film is sending a similar message yet not retreading or backtracking in his character development. In RotJ, it’s about Luke and how he sees his father, normally someone who a son would look towards as an example. It’s about Luke learning to believe in someone.

TLJ is about Luke dealing with the struggles of what it means to be a master/teacher, and about believing in himself, which was a lesson he still needed to fully learn from the ESB scene where he can’t lift the x-wing due to lack of faith in himself.

EDIT: TLDR - Rotj is Luke learning to believe in others despite their flaws. TLJ is Luke learning to believe in himself despite his mistakes.

This stuff about Yoda and the founding documents of the Jedi religion puts me in mind of something from the Prequels, namely, the dreaded Chosen One nonsense.

I wouldn’t consider this at all except that Rian somewhat of a prequel apologist from what I’ve heard. But when seen with that lens, the Last Jedi actually puts forward a good argument for why Rey might just be this Chosen One.

(And lest we forget, the first line of the ST is about how there’s no balance in the Force.)

Rey’s parents are ‘nobody’, in that she was intentionally conceived as a Force sensitive individual by the Force itself and not by any special lineage. In essence, everyone who is Force sensitive has been ‘chosen’ by the Force. Furthermore, she is the first person in this universe emphasizing the balance of the Force as opposed to adhering to one aspect over another. She takes death and violence as a fact of life just as much as peace and benevolence.

The biggest piece of evidence for me, however, is that Yoda implies that he has read the first Jedi books, and this may be where the prophecy originated.

“A prophecy…that misread, could have been.”

Since these are the only Jedi texts that we know of, this is the only writing established in this universe to be misread. And what better medium for a long-forgotten bit of lore than the original Jedi books.

One could make the argument that Kylo Ren is the subject of the prophecy, but he is in no way balanced, having learned all the wrong lessons from Luke’s school. In fact, he’s probably more Sith-like than many Sith with his obsession with power and murdering his master. So if Rey ends up destroying him in Episode 9, we may have the answer to the most perplexing question in the prequels.

Just like poetry. 😉

KILLOFFPOE said:

Canadian newscaster reviews The Last Jedi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ8ir66M5XU

lmao, this is so good

“Also, never in Star Wars did they ever make a point of having the characters be hungry or was eating every central(?) thing and twice on the island we saw Luke fish and then he milks a giant lactating sea moose and drinks from it. And Chewie, I have no idea why Rian Johnson hates Chewbacca so much but the only thing he made him do was almost eat a porg, that’s all he did and it was just played for jokes.”

Luke eating with Uncle Ben and Aunt Beru
Luke complaining about Yoda eating his dinner [HUMOR]
Jabba eating slimy things
Chewbacca gravitating towards that Ewok bait trap [HUMOR]
Rey needing to trade scraps for food that bakes itself into bread

ok.

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Because he is a flawed character who thought he was too dangerous to do any good. It’s kinda the necessary foundation for his character arc.

I’m almost willing to forgive the Luke tempted to kill Kylo flashback stuff, but what will still remain a head-scratcher to me is buying the idea that post Jedi Academy-Luke doing absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to use his time on the island to figure out a way to redeem Kylo or help in any capacity, especially when he hides little clues like a piece of the map of his location in R2D2. I feel like an ashamed Luke will guilt him into action; not “leave me to die” Luke.

Yoda-Nazi said:

The Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars movie ever.

The only good part was when Yoda burned all the Jedi books. It brings back good memories and sets a proper example for the new generation of fans.

I see the trolls remain in force.

TavorX said:

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Because he is a flawed character who thought he was too dangerous to do any good. It’s kinda the necessary foundation for his character arc.

I’m almost willing to forgive the Luke tempted to kill Kylo flashback stuff, but what will still remain a head-scratcher to me is buying the idea that post Jedi Academy-Luke doing absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to use his time on the island to figure out a way to redeem Kylo or help in any capacity, especially when he hides little clues like a piece of the map of his location in R2D2. I feel like an ashamed Luke will guilt him into action; not “leave me to die” Luke.

He wanted to die because he felt like he failed in his ultimate purpose in life and what Yoda wanted of him. He lost faith in himself. And if the arc is about Luke learning to believe in himself again (which is a great arc) then he needs to lose faith in himself at one point and feel that he is better off staying away from everything. His speech about “Luke Skywalker, a legend” says this perfectly.

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

So he basically did the exact same thing he did in the end of RotJ in a more badass way?

EDIT: TLDR - Rotj is Luke learning to believe in others despite their flaws. TLJ is Luke learning to believe in himself despite his mistakes.

I actually quite like this, though I’m not sure if I buy it.

I thought TLJ sold it great. They reference his act of compassion in RotJ and how it brought him to legendary status and how this led to Luke’s downfall. TLJ shows that Luke wasn’t yet fully realized as a hero, and that he still was grappling with how his actions in RotJ changed how others and he saw himself.

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Because he is a flawed character who thought he was too dangerous to do any good. It’s kinda the necessary foundation for his character arc.

I’m almost willing to forgive the Luke tempted to kill Kylo flashback stuff, but what will still remain a head-scratcher to me is buying the idea that post Jedi Academy-Luke doing absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to use his time on the island to figure out a way to redeem Kylo or help in any capacity, especially when he hides little clues like a piece of the map of his location in R2D2. I feel like an ashamed Luke will guilt him into action; not “leave me to die” Luke.

He wanted to die because he felt like he failed in his ultimate purpose in life and what Yoda wanted of him. He lost faith in himself. And if the arc is about Luke learning to believe in himself again (which is a great arc) then he needs to lose faith in himself at one point and feel that he is better off staying away from everything. His speech about “Luke Skywalker, a legend” says this perfectly.

I’m struggling so much here because on paper, it sounds GREAT. But again, I can’t ignore little clues like leaving behind that map puzzle piece in R2D2 for someone to stumble upon it, like Rey, when the time was “right”. Leaving those clues sounds like TFA was setting up the Luke I was thinking of, the one that didn’t give up completely during isolation. If there was no clues left behind, then I would digest this easier, because on paper, I believe you’re right, if Luke felt he let down Yoda in rebuilding a new Jedi Order, then yeah, I guess he would give up everything. What’s your take on the map piece? How does it still work in the frame-work of TLJ?

TavorX said:

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

darthrush said:

TavorX said:

He did more than walk away from the old Jedi Order. He walked away completely from everything and everyone.

Because he is a flawed character who thought he was too dangerous to do any good. It’s kinda the necessary foundation for his character arc.

I’m almost willing to forgive the Luke tempted to kill Kylo flashback stuff, but what will still remain a head-scratcher to me is buying the idea that post Jedi Academy-Luke doing absolutely nothing, NOTHING, to use his time on the island to figure out a way to redeem Kylo or help in any capacity, especially when he hides little clues like a piece of the map of his location in R2D2. I feel like an ashamed Luke will guilt him into action; not “leave me to die” Luke.

He wanted to die because he felt like he failed in his ultimate purpose in life and what Yoda wanted of him. He lost faith in himself. And if the arc is about Luke learning to believe in himself again (which is a great arc) then he needs to lose faith in himself at one point and feel that he is better off staying away from everything. His speech about “Luke Skywalker, a legend” says this perfectly.

I’m struggling so much here because on paper, it sounds GREAT. But again, I can’t ignore little clues like leaving behind that map puzzle piece in R2D2 for someone to stumble upon it, like Rey, when the time was “right”. Leaving those clues sounds like TFA was setting up the Luke I was thinking of, the one that didn’t give up completely during isolation. If there was no clues left behind, then I would digest this easier, because on paper, I believe you’re right, if Luke felt he let down Yoda in rebuilding a new Jedi Order, then yeah, I guess he would give up everything. What’s your take on the map piece? How does it still work in the frame-work of TLJ?

I always saw the map as something that R2 just had in his backup data and when he finished searching it (ala TFA - Restructured), he gave it to them to help find Luke. I don’t see it as something that Luke left behind on purpose or anything. Just R2 giving a helping hand to find his friend. I think the difficulty of finding him makes it more clear that he did not want to be found, hence his line, “You think I came to the most unfindable place in the galaxy for no reason at all?”.