Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo — Page 538

Handman said:

Do any of you actually know any women who complain about this?

Yes.
The “free the nipple” movement is pretty big and I know three ladies who wouldn’t miss a rally. Or whatever it’s called.
The lady I call mine isn’t bothered by the issue, but agrees there should be equality there.

What is found attractive is different throughout the world as well.

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

chyron8472 said:

Citing equality doesn’t really fit, because they are not equal. Saying a woman should be paid as much as a man because a woman’s ability or intelligence is equal is not the same thing as saying women’s bodies, which are not identical to men’s, should be treated identically. Having a woman cover her breasts does not lower her social standing or make her to be inferior to a man.

Let’s turn the tables. Is the argument that a certain part of a man’s body should be censored because it’s different from that part on a woman a valid argument to you?

I don’t think it is censored because it different. I think there are reasons other than simply it being different as to why it is censored, and those reasons are potentially sound.

Women’s breasts aren’t just different-and-that’s-it. Men have sexual responses to them. Women have clothing that accentuates them. Women and men both treat women’s physical bodies differently than women and men both treat men’s bodies. Women have different attractions to men than men do to women, and so arguing that men’s bodies and women’s bodies should be treated equally (or identically) “because” isn’t reason enough to not treat the differently.

You don’t think women have sexual responses to men’s exposed chests?

Yes, but perhaps not in the same way. And that also assumes all women have the same response as all other women, which is probably not true either.

Part of the reason why men have such pent up attraction to breasts is by the nature that most of the time they are concealed

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Perhaps men like being attracted to them. Perhaps women like men liking to be attracted to them.

Ever wonder why dudes used to go crazy over legs?

They still do in some cultures. I’m saying cultural acceptance of a norm is not unfair per se.

There are cultural norms that equate women as being inferior. I’m saying covering breasts is not one of them.

TV’s Frink said:

In theory I think everyone should be able to go topless if men can go topless. In practice I suppose it’s kinda like gun ownership - I think in theory it could (should?) change but because the current system is so entrenched I see the problems in trying to change it.

Oh c’mon Frink. You know better than to talk sense around here.

TV’s Frink said:

With that said, I don’t think women everywhere should suddenly go topless. We have enough assault/harassment problems as it is.

Ideally that would be fixed already. Maybe doing this would help.

But I do agree that I’m not asking for anybody to go topless just for the sake of it. I just don’t see the point of the current inequality.

Solution? Dunno. I can’t even remember how we got here (this time). Last time it was Warb’s aversion to women breastfeeding in public, which is ridiculous. This time I think the conversation is a bit more grey.

We were talking about swear words, which ventured into a discussion about movie ratings. mfm brought up the inequality of how showing a man’s exposed chest will barely effect a movie rating at all, while a woman’s exposed chest could bring the movie up to an R rating. Then Warbler replied with is argument in the matter. The conversation started from there.

DominicCobb said:

chyron8472 said:

Ever wonder why dudes used to go crazy over legs?

They still do in some cultures. I’m saying cultural acceptance of a norm is not unfair per se.

It is if […] women the people who are subject to this norm/law find it unfair.

But most of them don’t. And such a law doesn’t hurt or degrade them as lesser people than men. They just have additional private parts.

Handman said:

TV’s Frink said:

Handman said:

Wait, men don’t go crazy over legs anymore?

I hope/assume you’re joking.

I suppose it’s a half-joke, the assertion that men are no longer attracted to legs sounds preposterous to me.

I don’t think he was saying that men are no longer attracted to legs; I just think he’s saying that the emphasis on them is not as strong as before.

Seriously, I, speaking only for myself, personally know no women who have a problem with women covering their breasts in public. Talking about decency laws that enforce cultural norms to that effect are a bit of a different topic, because that gets into what the penalty is or should be.

TV’s Frink said:

chyron8472 said:

Seriously, I, speaking only for myself, know no women who have a problem with women covering their breasts in public. Talking about decency laws that enforce cultural norms to that effect are a bit of a different topic, because that gets into what the penalty is or should be.

Women covering their breasts in public does not intersect with decency laws that enforce culture norms and contain penalties?

Discussing decency laws is a different rabbit hole.

TV’s Frink said:

The two are entirely intertwined, but ok.

It makes the topic of women going topless in public more complex of a discussion than just should-they or should-they-not.