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Therefore Discovery is a tv series in a timeline that no longer exists.
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It is the truth according to Star Trek 2009.
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The kligons in TNG look nothing like the ones in TOS. The Discovery design looks much more like the TNG design than TNG/TOS.
If any other show was using the design from Discovery, they’d be blasted for ripping off TNG.
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My problem with the Klingons in Discovery is that they’re so boring.
I don’t dislike the design, but making them all look like that (I mean really not a single one can have hair?) is definitely just different for the sake of different. To be clear though, I quite honestly don’t give a shit.
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The kligons in TNG look nothing like the ones in TOS. The Discovery design looks much more like the TNG design than TNG/TOS.
Please read my post above addressing this.
If any other show was using the design from Discovery, they’d be blasted for ripping off TNG.
I don’t think so.
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The kligons in TNG look nothing like the ones in TOS. The Discovery design looks much more like the TNG design than TNG/TOS.
If any other show was using the design from Discovery, they’d be blasted for ripping off TNG.
Yeah that would be like TNG stealing from Captain Eo for the Borg look. 😉
Where were you in '77?
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So beyond Klingons, what’s the consensus on Discovery? I haven’t watched any since the one broadcast episode a few weeks ago.
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I’ve seen the first four episodes and it actually started to get interesting part way through the third episode in my opinion. I still really do not enjoy the Klingons for a lot of reasons but I have never enjoyed the Klingons in almost any of the Star Trek series.
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I enjoyed the explanation in The Star Trek Encyclopedia that came out before “Trials”: that since the Klingon Empire was an empire, perhaps there were different races that dominated the empire at different points.
I still maintain this idea in my head. Could also be that different subspecies of Klingon are predominate in different parts of the Empire.
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So how come we’ve never seen this subset of Klingons in any of the series’/movies?
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I shouldn’t be talking because I’ve dedicate countless days, maybe even months, of my life to watching and rewatching Star Trek. I love it. I get emotional, sometimes to the point of shedding a tear, over how positive of an effect Star Trek has had on my life, but Warbler, you’re getting hung up on little things. Star Trek’s timeline doesn’t exist at all, Kelvin or original, because it is fiction. If the new stuff bothers you, don’t watch it, or watch it and complain about how shitty it is, but don’t complain about how it is inconsistent within a timeline that is already inconsistent in many ways.
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So is Star Wars, but we all gripe when the prequels don’t mesh with the OT. 😉
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I know you’re joking a bit, but that’s because those were supposed to be directly telling the backstory to existing films. If they were a completely different series that had basically nothing to do with the OT, it’d be different. Also, I’m all in favor of complaining about plot contradictions in terms of the STD and the original timeline, just not the fact that they redesigned. I don’t even mind complaining about the poor (IMO) redesign, just not the fact that they redesigned it itself.
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but it is not.
It’s called “headcanon.”
As far as I’m concerned, Padme Amidala does not die during the events of Revenge of the Sith. And I have two different cuts of that film and a quote from Leia in ROTJ to back it up.
George’s “official” explanation can stick it.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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Star Trek and Stargate both go by the premise that “anything that can happen does happen in alternate quantum realities.” It’s just that the characters from those realities assert that their version of reality is the only one that matters (which is an actual quote from Teal’c.)
The Prime Universe does still exist. As does the universe in Yesterday’s Enterprise and the Mirror Universe. To say that Prime does not exist is to say Mirror does not exist; and the Mirror Universe’s timeline, which is wholly separate from Prime, was accessed repeatedly by Prime characters (and vice versa) during the events of Deep Space Nine, not to mention TOS and Enterprise.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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The kligons in TNG look nothing like the ones in TOS.
Actually the TNG Klingons are just a logical evolution of the Motion Picture Klingons, and they are a logical evolution of the TOS Klingons.
The Discovery design looks much more like the TNG design than TNG/TOS.
Really? I see barely any similarities between the TNG Klingons and DIS Klingons.
If any other show was using the design from Discovery, they’d be blasted for ripping off TNG.
Nah. The Orville designs look like TNG, definitely not Discovery. Discovery looks more like Ron Moore’s Galactica crossed with Star Wars
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My problem with the Klingons in Discovery is that they’re so boring.
Absolutely. And what is going on with their speech? I’m not sure if the actors have absolutely no clue what they’re doing, or if the makeup and prosthetics are so bad that they can barely speak, but it’s so bad…
I don’t dislike the design, but making them all look like that (I mean really not a single one can have hair?) is definitely just different for the sake of different. To be clear though, I quite honestly don’t give a shit.
I was secretly hoping immediately after they said that there are 24 houses, that we will see different looking Klingons, they could also use TOS designs, also some TNG designs, maybe the Enterprise Augments designs… But no, they all have to be generic boring space monsters
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So beyond Klingons, what’s the consensus on Discovery? I haven’t watched any since the one broadcast episode a few weeks ago.
I personally hated the 2 part “pilot” and episode 4. I liked episode 3, I thoughts it was hilarious, but apparently it was supposed to scary. And the current episode was the first episode ever whose ending made me wanna see the next episode. Also it was the first episode, which was about SOMETHING, it felt almost like Star Trek.
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These are not Klingons.
These are Klingons.
FTFY
I knew someone was going to bring that up. Clearly when they were doing TOS they didn’t have the capability to make Klingons look like they do in the movies and nextgen and the rest of the tv series’. They eventually explained the difference in appearance in Enterprise. They have not as far as I know explained the appearance of Klingons in Discovery. With the history of the change in the appearance in the cannon already, any attempt to explain this new change in appearance will be far fetched. The change was unnecessary. One could argue the appear of Klingons in TOS looked cheap and clearly they did not have the budget or the capabilities to make Klingons look how the should. The same is not so of the movies and nextgen and the rest of the series’ If they had wanted, they could have make the Klingons look like they do in Discovery. The look of Klingons in the movies and nextgen and the other series’s has become iconic. There was no need to change them. What is next? Giving Vulcans and Romulans square ears instead of the iconic pointed ones? Finally in my opinion, the nextgen Klingons just look better.
Too long, didn’t read.
Point is – aside from the Klingons in The Undiscovered Country – all TNG+ Klingons have sucked. And that’s all due to their characterization, not their makeup.
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I’d love to see some documentation from the '60’s where making the Klingons look more alien was actually discussed. A lot of production memos and such still exist. It’s not that the capability wasn’t there, (look at the Tellarites or the Andorians) but the expense of doing a large group of Klingons would have wreaked havoc with the budget.
I would imagine they changed them up for TMP because it looked cool. Ironic they had the money to populate the film with dozens of exotic aliens and most of it ended up on the cutting room floor. Robert Wise allegedly put all the Enterprise’s alien crewmembers in the Rec deck scene way in the back where they are barely visible. What was he thinking?
TNG tweaked the Romulan look enough that you have to wonder how Spock can walk around on Romulus unnoticed. 😉
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This week’s episode had a fancy new Klingon ship identified as a D7, which is the classic TOS model. This goes with my friend’s headcanon that Star Trek has been like a historical record for future people who live in the Trek universe, so the effects are limited by the budget in-universe. Each visual change in more recent series are more representative of how they actually looked, or the recreation of this particular series took an artistic choice.
Adding this layer of fiction within the fiction helps smooth over any changes for me.
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This week’s episode had a fancy new Klingon ship identified as a D7, which is the classic TOS model. This goes with my friend’s headcanon that Star Trek has been like a historical record for future people who live in the Trek universe, so the effects are limited by the budget in-universe. Each visual change in more recent series are more representative of how they actually looked, or the recreation of this particular series took an artistic choice.
Adding this layer of fiction within the fiction helps smooth over any changes for me.
I never thought of it that way. That’s a really cool concept.
Umm… wait. So Star Trek is basically a series of historical holonovels. So, there is apparently an historical holonovel of Riker visiting an historical holonovel to help him decide what to do about the events of The Pegasus?
I still refuse to believe Trip Tucker would have died how that episode said he did. As Connor Trinneer has said, Trip had been in far worse situations before and come out of them alive. That is one of the reasons I will never watch that episode, ever again.
chyron just put a big Ric pic in your sig and be done with it.
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This week’s episode had a fancy new Klingon ship identified as a D7, which is the classic TOS model. This goes with my friend’s headcanon that Star Trek has been like a historical record for future people who live in the Trek universe, so the effects are limited by the budget in-universe. Each visual change in more recent series are more representative of how they actually looked, or the recreation of this particular series took an artistic choice.
Adding this layer of fiction within the fiction helps smooth over any changes for me.
I never thought of it that way. That’s a really cool concept.
Yes, it is. I’d like to see it officially adopted, and not just in regard to the appearance of species, but to the appearance of technology and dress, too ('cause these terrible-looking pieces of shit should never be considered canon).
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You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.
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You guys are starting to sound like the prequel apologist crowd coming up with your own head canon (ring theory) justifications for awful decisions.
We’re not trying to justify writing here, we’re justifying why some ships are different colors.
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