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Plausible deniability?
I got nothing.
Are The Prequels That Bad? — Page 9
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Why is Sidious trying to get the Queen to sign the treaty? If she signs the treaty there’s no invasion and his plan to use the crisis to become chancellor falls apart!!! It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
He’s calling her bluff because he knows she won’t, and therefore the crisis will happen and it covers his tracks i.e. “I tried in vain to stop it”.
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Why is Sidious trying to get the Queen to sign the treaty? If she signs the treaty there’s no invasion and his plan to use the crisis to become chancellor falls apart!!! It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
He’s calling her bluff because he knows she won’t, and therefore the crisis will happen and it covers his tracks i.e. “I tried in vain to stop it”.
That makes no sense for Sidious… no one outside of the Trade Federation guys is even aware he exists! I suppose it could make sense for Senator Palpatine to try and get her to do it… but Sidious is the one prodding the Trade Federation to get her to do it and no one knows that he’s actually Palpatine.
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Why is Sidious trying to get the Queen to sign the treaty? If she signs the treaty there’s no invasion and his plan to use the crisis to become chancellor falls apart!!! It DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE.
He’s calling her bluff because he knows she won’t, and therefore the crisis will happen and it covers his tracks i.e. “I tried in vain to stop it”.
That makes no sense for Sidious… no one outside of the Trade Federation guys is even aware he exists! I suppose it could make sense for Senator Palpatine to try and get her to do it… but Sidious is the one prodding the Trade Federation to get her to do it and no one knows that he’s actually Palpatine.
I suppose so - ha!
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I thought the purpose of the treaty was not to erase the invasion but to have it not classified as an “invasion”?
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I thought the purpose of the treaty was not to erase the invasion but to have it not classified as an “invasion”?
Yeah - you might be right. It still doesn’t make any sense! Making the invasion legal would not result in the no confidence vote.
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This is why I’m not even interested in fanedits of the PT. Everything about the story is idiotic nonsense. Nothing to save.
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Some edits can at least turn it into a fun ride though.
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The only ones that make sense are where every line is dubbed. Which is why I can only watch the Auralnauts version.
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Another one - why in the world would Padme suspect Dooku was the person who wanted her killed in AOTC? Why would she ever think the separatist leader would want to kill one of the main senators opposed to creating an army?
Also - who the hell is Sifo-Dyas? How in the world did he not only order a giant army (apparently including a fleet of landing ships, walkers and other equipment) without anyone finding out… and how could he possibly pay for it?
Are the Kaminoans like a mail order army service who will give anyone financing?
They kind of threw Sifo-Dyas out there and then just never followed up on it… and then the Jedi were like “well, let’s just use this army supposedly ordered by us that no one has ever heard of and not worry about where it came from”
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The only ones that make sense are where every line is dubbed. Which is why I can only watch the Auralnauts version.
The auralnauts version is great. They somewhat recently came out with empire strikes back too, I haven’t watched it yet.
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What part of Shady Space UPS invading a planet for a monopoly on that planet except they may or may not already have and also this has something to do with the rise of the Empire and wait, what?
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What part of Shady Space UPS invading a planet for a monopoly on that planet except they may or may not already have and also this has something to do with the rise of the Empire and wait, what?
Yeah - I mean why were the blockading the planet in the first place… something about space taxes?
They apparently felt the blockade was legal “as you know our blockade is perfectly legal” - but again what do they get out of it?
It’s also implied that the blockade was a cover for invasion… but the Trade Federation clearly didn’t want anyone to know about said invasion (as they denied it in the Senate… .apparently no one took a video of the invasion with their space phone and put it up on space youtube). But again, I’m not sure what they get out of invading Naboo? Does this somehow help them resolve some dispute over taxation? But wait, they also spent a bunch of time trying to get Padme to sign a treaty legitimizing their invasion and occupation… ok, but again; what do they get out of this? Are they just looting the planet or something?
They really don’t ever explain the motivations of the Trade Federation (other than doing what Sidious tells them to for “reasons”) in the films.
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Anyone heard about the abruptly discontinued blog by J.W. Rinzler called ‘The Rise and Fall of Star Wars’?
The last blog entry dealt with some of the actors concerns towards the Prequels:
Back on set, whenever George asked Jimmy Smits (Bail Organa) to modify his performance or alter an action, Smits would reply, “Yes, sir.” Often when George asked Christensen or McGregor, they would reply, “Yeah, yeah, yeah.”
They weren’t disrespectful, but they weren’t necessarily buying it either. They were going along with it.
Back on the Original Trilogy, Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker), Harrison Ford (Han Solo), and Carrie Fisher (Princess Leia) had understood instinctively where Lucas was coming from, though he was famously uncommunicative. It was nothing personal. As many know, “Faster” and/or “More intense,” was what Lucas often requested of his actors.
Part of his general reticence on any set was due to the fact that he simply didn’t want to be there. Lucas had told Roger Christian back in 1976, set decorator on Star Wars, that each day he woke up with a metaphorical sack of large stones on his back and spent the day struggling to remove them, painfully, one by one. On set for Episode III, I overheard George asking himself one morning, “Why am I putting myself through this again?”
In 1978, three crewmembers got into a post-film analysis of their ex-boss, concluding that he took too much on himself and stressed himself out unnecessarily. They also thought he often put his trust in the wrong people. I’ve read similar complaints about similar visionaries. Evidently, when you’re hounded by success, it often becomes difficult to tell who has your best interests at heart, particularly given that many folks may have already told you things that didn’t turn out to be true, or said that something wouldn’t work that did turn out to work, and vice versa, etc., etc. It’s a difficult position to be in.
Despite his directorial shorthand and his on-set suffering, Lucas, Ford, Fisher, and Hamill worked well together on the Original Trilogy and remained friends afterward. Lucas seemed particularly close with Fisher.
It didn’t help that Portman and McGregor had been wounded by negative reviews of the first two prequels, making this last one harder for them. In fact when I was given the greenlight to talk to McGregor on set, I went over to introduce myself and before I’d said two words, he shouted in a loud and annoyed voice, “Well, I’ll just let you know then!”
It was a tad awkward. Crew would tell me that on Episode I McGregor had been enthusiastic and kind, helping to move chairs for the next setup. But he’d changed. Rick told me that the actor was frustrated, and on an “emotional rollercoaster.”
He and Portman were never ready to be interviewed (instead I relied on EPKs).”
J. W. Rinzler altered his article, which now says: “It didn’t help that Portman and McGregor may have been wounded by negative reviews of the first two prequels, making this last one harder for them.”
He removed the anecdotes about McGregor’s behavior, and softened another part where he describes Christensen expressing his lack of understanding of Lucas’ vision of Anakin at one point.
So, who stopped Rinzler blogging about those interesting Prequel BTS conditions? Kathleen Kennedy or maybe Lucas himself? Apparently Rinzlers blog was supposed to end with the production conditions surrounding TFA.
Rogue One is redundant. Just play the first mission of DARK FORCES.
The hallmark of a corrupt leader: Being surrounded by yes men.
‘The best visual effects in the world will not compensate for a story told badly.’ - V.E.S.
‘Star Wars is a buffet, enjoy the stuff you want, and leave the rest.’ - SilverWook
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Jimmy Smits probably knew he could be replaced, technically he was Bail Organa #2 as the first fellow ended up on the TPM cutting room floor. McGregor and company knew they couldn’t be canned, so they could be more openly grumpy.
It’s too bad Lucas ultimately didn’t get along with the people who helped him make a film better like Gary Kurtz. If there had been a close circle of trusted people around him like Kubrick cultivated, not a bunch of yes men who were afraid to make suggestions, things might have been different.
Where were you in '77?
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What part of Shady Space UPS invading a planet for a monopoly on that planet except they may or may not already have and also this has something to do with the rise of the Empire and wait, what?
Yeah - I mean why were the blockading the planet in the first place… something about space taxes?
They apparently felt the blockade was legal “as you know our blockade is perfectly legal” - but again what do they get out of it?
It’s also implied that the blockade was a cover for invasion… but the Trade Federation clearly didn’t want anyone to know about said invasion (as they denied it in the Senate… .apparently no one took a video of the invasion with their space phone and put it up on space youtube). But again, I’m not sure what they get out of invading Naboo? Does this somehow help them resolve some dispute over taxation? But wait, they also spent a bunch of time trying to get Padme to sign a treaty legitimizing their invasion and occupation… ok, but again; what do they get out of this? Are they just looting the planet or something?
They really don’t ever explain the motivations of the Trade Federation (other than doing what Sidious tells them to for “reasons”) in the films.
I think the reason for the invasion was to show how Valorum’s government was weak and allowed the Federation to boss them around and therefore he needed to be removed so Palpatine could rise to power.
It seems like people are really embracing the new characters. In fact, the big question people ask me now about Star Wars is, “Are Finn and Poe gay lovers?” And really how the f*ck would I know? My second husband left me for a man, so my gaydar isn’t exactly what you’d call Death Star level quality. ----Carrie Fisher
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Of course they aren’t terrible. They’re just terrible compared to the originals.
Pretty much my opinion. I’ve seen a lot of movies. They aren’t great by any means, but they aren’t that bad either compared to some out there. They are fun to watch, but when you dig below the surface, their failings are easy to see. And what have many Star Wars fans spent decades doing? digging. So we are more painfully aware of the flaws than most people. The casual viewer is not going to see all the flaws we do. All three of the PT were huge blockbusters - record setters in ticket sales. They were hugely popular movies. Bigger in some ways than the OT. They just don’t have the staying power because they are flawed and those who love the OT have various views on the level of bad those flaws drop these films to. They are Lucas at his worst, which I think is better than many other directors at their best.
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^this
Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? none holds them up except Allah. Indeed in that are signs for a people who believe. – Quran (16:79)
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Of course they aren’t terrible. They’re just terrible compared to the originals.
Pretty much my opinion. I’ve seen a lot of movies. They aren’t great by any means, but they aren’t that bad either compared to some out there. They are fun to watch, but when you dig below the surface, their failings are easy to see. And what have many Star Wars fans spent decades doing? digging. So we are more painfully aware of the flaws than most people. The casual viewer is not going to see all the flaws we do. All three of the PT were huge blockbusters - record setters in ticket sales. They were hugely popular movies. Bigger in some ways than the OT. They just don’t have the staying power because they are flawed and those who love the OT have various views on the level of bad those flaws drop these films to. They are Lucas at his worst, which I think is better than many other directors at their best.
I disagree.
You don’t have to dig or even dust the surface to see the flaws. They aren’t fun to watch. I mean, there’s nothing there that I enjoy. And I’m not alone.
They only did so well because the OT is so loved. Their success at the box office has nothing to do with the quality of the films. They retain a following because Star Wars is the most popular thing on the planet and most people are sheep and the brand is their Shepard.
Grumpy mid-day rant over. 😉
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
^ still this
have you ever shown the prequels to non-star wars fans? they all think they are poor movies. especially episode II, it is so boring that you can’t even find another complaint worth making, it is just boring.
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
^ still this
have you ever shown the prequels to non-star wars fans? they all think they are poor movies. especially episode II, it is so boring that you can’t even find another complaint worth making, it is just boring.
and i mean adults, children will enjoy all kinds of terrible trash.
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
^ still this
have you ever shown the prequels to non-star wars fans? they all think they are poor movies. especially episode II, it is so boring that you can’t even find another complaint worth making, it is just boring.
and i mean adults, children will enjoy all kinds of terrible trash.
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
^ still this
have you ever shown the prequels to non-star wars fans? they all think they are poor movies. especially episode II, it is so boring that you can’t even find another complaint worth making, it is just boring.
and i mean adults, children will enjoy all kinds of terrible trash.
Not necessarily totally representative.
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^this
The casual viewer is all like “wait, what the hell is going on and why are good actors acting so poorly and why am I watching a 2 hour video game anyway?”
^ still this
have you ever shown the prequels to non-star wars fans? they all think they are poor movies. especially episode II, it is so boring that you can’t even find another complaint worth making, it is just boring.
and i mean adults, children will enjoy all kinds of terrible trash.
True, but i expect some children to not be quite as exemplary as yours (and mine too of course, as any good parent, i consider my child to be the best)