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TV’s Frink said:

Why?

I posted the idea in the appropriate thread ages ago. All those clones waking up in their tanks look a lot like the Emperor. Although now it might as well be Snoke. 😉

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Trump continues to live in a fantasy land. Polling shows that he’s dead wrong here, and even if he was right it’s a shitty attitude to take when people (including his voters) depend on Obamacare.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-lacks-votes-obamacare-repeal/story?id=48698997

After Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., Susan Collins, R-Maine and Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska, each said they would not support a motion to proceed on the efforts to repeal without a ready-made replacement, President Donald Trump said he would not take responsibility for the future of the current health care law – a future he predicted would feature the law’s failure, which he said Republicans should allow to happen.

“Let Obamacare fail,” said Trump at the White House. “It’ll be a lot easier and I think we’re probably in that position where we’ll just let Obamacare fail. We’re not going to own it. I’m not going to own it. I can tell you the Republicans are not going to own it.”

Also…

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/its-still-never-trumps-fault/534066/

Meanwhile, Trump wants credit for almost not failing. “Essentially, the vote would have been pretty close to—if you look at it—48-4. That’s a pretty impressive vote by any standard,” the president said at the White House on Tuesday, referring to the basic standard of reaching a bare majority of votes required for all legislation as “impressive,” a bravura act of bar-lowering. (Indeed, most bills these days require 60 votes, and it was only thanks to the reconciliation process that this bill needed only 50.)

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When does Mr. Roarke show up to tell him his fantasy is over? 😉

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-had-undisclosed-hour-long-meeting-with-putin-at-g20-summit/2017/07/18/39c18dd4-6bd0-11e7-96ab-5f38140b38cc_story.html?utm_term=.4ca05873adc7

After his much-publicized, two-and a quarter-hour meeting early this month with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin at the Group of 20 summit in Germany, President Trump met informally with the Russian leader for an additional hour later the same day.

The second meeting, unreported at the time, took place at a dinner for G-20 leaders, a senior administration official said. Halfway through the meal, Trump left his own seat to occupy a chair next to Putin. Trump was alone, and Putin was attended only by his official interpreter.

The encounter underscores the extent to which Trump was eager throughout the summit to cultivate a friendship with Putin. During last year’s campaign, Trump spoke admiringly of Putin and at times seemed captivated by him.

Meeting each other face-to-face for the first time in Hamburg, the two presidents seemed to have a chemistry in their more formal bilateral session, evidenced by the fact that it dragged on for more than two hours.

But Trump’s newly-disclosed conversation with Putin at the G-20 dinner is likely to stoke further criticism, including perhaps from some fellow Republicans in Congress, that he is too cozy with the leader of a major U.S. adversary.

I guess it’s refreshing when someone isn’t concerned about how things look?

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Love is in the air!

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While so far the only surprise revelation about Trump/Russia to me has been the staggering incompetence of the whole operation, that’s only half-true. Only the American side of the collaboration has been staggeringly incompetent–the Russian side has seemed thoroughly professional, canny and capable… in an evil sort of way of course.

Which is why I’m seeing this as a good sign:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/07/the-agalarovs-who-set-up-the-trump-russia-meeting-are-selling-their-jersey-homes/

When the Russian side of the equation decides to clear out of Dodge (selling assets before they’re seized), it’s likely because they know what’s coming, and are getting what they can while they’re still able to get it.

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TV’s Frink said:

moviefreakedmind said:

I don’t really care much about remakes, though, the originals are still around so just watch those instead. Regardless of what they do to the main characters I tend to just ignore Hollywood’s remakes these days.

A lot of people agree with you but for me it completely depends on the execution. The new Ghostbusters had different characters and jokes and it made me laugh. The Judge Dredd remake was an actual movie instead of a silly Stallone vehicle. I haven’t seen True Grit yet but it is supposedly really good.

I don’t avoid things just because they carry the same name as other things.

True Grit was great. Like I said, I tend to ignore them. If it interests me and it seems to be an honest attempt to reimagine an existing property, I’ll give it a shot. If it looks to me like purely an attempt to cash-in on an existing name because of it’s brand recognition, I avoid it. A good example of that would be CHIPS, or the Netflix Full House sequel. It’s usually pretty easy to tell.

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This is why Trump is absolutely never going under ~29% approval, and very likely never going under ~33% among voters.

only 45% of Trump voters believe Donald Trump Jr. had a meeting with Russians about information that might be harmful to Hillary Clinton […] 32% say the meeting didn’t happen and 24% say they’re not sure.

So, with some extrapolation based on Trump’s 46% of all voters, that’s about 14% of voters who have already actively decided that denying reality is the way to go, and another 11% who would like to hear what the alternate-reality people have to say before they make up their minds on the whole reality thing. Together, that’s 25% that IMO are so deep in the tank for Trump they’ve grown gills, and they’re never coming out (because that “not sure” is almost certainly a mere pretense of objectivity, like climate change denial). Presumably there are also some hardcore Trump supporters who function in the real world, but forgive absolutely everything because Trump put Gorsuch on the Supreme Court or spoke at their family cross burning ceremony, so I’m adding a conservative 4% for that, although I’d say it’s probably higher. Trump’s approval only needs to stay above ~32% for the Senate to stay safely in Republican control through 2022.

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CatBus said:

This is why Trump is absolutely never going under ~29% approval, and very likely never going under ~33% among voters.

I saw that last night and fell into a brief coma.

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There were people standing by Nixon until the bitter end. (And probably think fondly of him today if they’re still around.) Approval ratings aren’t going to save anyone if they’ve broken the law.

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Standing by your man is one thing, refusing to even read the email where your man’s son blatantly admits what you don’t want to believe is something entirely different.

At least I think it is. I don’t remember much of Nixon. :p

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SilverWook said:

There were people standing by Nixon until the bitter end. (And probably think fondly of him today if they’re still around.) Approval ratings aren’t going to save anyone if they’ve broken the law.

Pardons can save lots of people, though, and a high enough approval rating leads to a removal-proof and even investigation-proof Senate.

The Senate can also do a lot more damage than failing to act, too. After all, what prevents the Senate from opening a select committee investigating Robert Mueller’s involvement in killing Vince Foster? The same thing that prevented the Benghazi hearings–the lack of enough chutzpah to carry out an obviously political show trial. Don’t think they won’t.

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Standing by your man is one thing, refusing to even read the email where your man’s son blatantly admits what you don’t want to believe is something entirely different.

At least I think it is. I don’t remember much of Nixon. :p

Denial plain and simple. I suspect a whole lot of people are going to need therapy when the dominoes start falling and reality won’t go away. Or they’ll just repeat “Trump was framed!” like a mantra.

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SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

Standing by your man is one thing, refusing to even read the email where your man’s son blatantly admits what you don’t want to believe is something entirely different.

At least I think it is. I don’t remember much of Nixon. :p

Denial plain and simple. I suspect a whole lot of people are going to need therapy when the dominoes start falling and reality won’t go away. Or they’ll just repeat “Trump was framed!” like a mantra.

“His name was Seth Rich!”
“Loving the Liberal Tears!”
“Nobody said #draintheswamp was easy! MAGA!”
“This is MSM FAKE NEWS conspiracy!”
“Primary unpatriotic RINOS!”

Whenever I peer into the depths of Brietbart this stuff seems to be the most popular.

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What a liar.

“Wait, you found a woman that voted twice for Trump? Let’s just press delete on that one and problem solved.”

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SilverWook said:

TV’s Frink said:

Standing by your man is one thing, refusing to even read the email where your man’s son blatantly admits what you don’t want to believe is something entirely different.

At least I think it is. I don’t remember much of Nixon. :p

Denial plain and simple. I suspect a whole lot of people are going to need therapy when the dominoes start falling and reality won’t go away. Or they’ll just repeat “Trump was framed!” like a mantra.

“His name was Seth Rich!”
“Loving the Liberal Tears!”
“Nobody said #draintheswamp was easy! MAGA!”
“This is MSM FAKE NEWS conspiracy!”
“Primary unpatriotic RINOS!”

Whenever I peer into the depths of Brietbart this stuff seems to be the most popular.

Strangely enough…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/07/18/breitbarts-white-house-reporter-is-trying-to-hold-trump-accountable-seriously/?utm_term=.8163d601ef84