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Jeebus said:

rodneyfaile said:

Do you honestly think Kathleen Kennedy knows less about making movies than the guys who made 21 Jumpstreet and Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs?

22 Jump Street and The Lego Movie, too; all of which were very successful, so I guess I fail to see your point.

The point is Kathleen Kennedy has worked on more movie productions as well as having greater success. Perhaps she knows something about movies after all of her experience.

I never understood the choice of directors, seemed like a mismatch in style. But it still could have been good, and now we’ll never know. I always wait to see the final product before judging for myself…this one was no different before and it’s no different now.

rodneyfaile said:

The point is Kathleen Kennedy has worked on more movie productions as well as having greater success. Perhaps she knows something about movies after all of her experience.

Ah but that wasn’t the point I paraphrased in my post. The article was saying Kathleen Kennedy believes she knows how to “bake the Star Wars cake”. She has never been a part of a good Star Wars movie, and there have been several production screw-ups in the last couple years.

If your point is “she’s successful because her films make the most money” then would you say Michael Bay is also good at what he does? And further, what does it matter to you or I how much money the film makes? In a few years, the film isn’t going to be any more enjoyable or less enjoyable to watch at home because it made $100 million or $500 million at the box office. So what was your point? If you are a Disney shareholder or personally invested money in those films, congrats I guess.

For the record, I agree with Kathleen Kennedy’s decision to part ways with these guys. They were seemingly a very poor fit for a Star Wars movie.

But I also take the side of the directors, that once they were hired, there shouldn’t have been undue micromanagement of THEIR film. It’s a collaborative process, other people, the studio, cast, crew, they are all going to have input and the director(s) need to be able to work with all of these people in a collaborative way, but at some point their vision may become compromised and it’s no longer their film anymore. It sounds like that’s what happened. If Kasdan and Kennedy want to direct the film from the studio, why not just direct it themselves?

All of this could have and should have been solved a long time ago, well before principal photography, in my opinion.

Alderaan said:

She has never been a part of a good Star Wars movie

Also in your opinion.

From Variety’s article:

Kennedy had her own ideas about how the film should be shot. In an interview with Variety last year, she said she wanted the film to have “…a heist or Western type feel,” adding, “We’ve talked about [Frederic] Remington and those primary colors that are used in his paintings defining the look and feel of the film.”

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/

After reading that, I struggle to see why they thought Lord and Miller would be a good fit.

Well, if they are going to fire Lord and Miller, why not get rid of that offensive hack Trevorrow while they’re at it?

Oh wait, this is Lucasfilm. Of course they are going to make the wrong decision and put a cherry on top.

Swazzy said:

Between this and half of Rogue One being reshot, it seems we won’t ever be getting a new Star Wars film with the director’s vision left entact again.

I love how a week or two ago everyone was freaking out about LFL not having a plan for the ST after that article about Rian Johnson’s near complete creative control on TLJ, and now it’s this.

joefavs said:

Swazzy said:

Between this and half of Rogue One being reshot, it seems we won’t ever be getting a new Star Wars film with the director’s vision left entact again.

after that article about Rian Johnson’s near complete creative control on TLJ

I must have missed this somehow.

EDIT: Wait, I’m guessing this was brought up in the spoiler thread (which I’ve been studiously avoiding)?

I’m not sure if that was the reaction here specifically because I haven’t been in the spoiler thread in a while myself, but the rest of the Internet lost its collective shit.

Swazzy said:

Between this and half of Rogue One being reshot, it seems we won’t ever be getting a new Star Wars film with the director’s vision left entact again.

Which, coincidentally, used to be the worst part about Star Wars.

“I had as much creative control on TLJ as I’ve ever had on any of my own movies.”- Rian Johnson via Twitter

joefavs said:

the rest of the Internet lost its collective shit.

The rest of the internet isn’t anything worth paying attention to.

Alderaan said:

rodneyfaile said:

The point is Kathleen Kennedy has worked on more movie productions as well as having greater success. Perhaps she knows something about movies after all of her experience.

Ah but that wasn’t the point I paraphrased in my post. The article was saying Kathleen Kennedy believes she knows how to “bake the Star Wars cake”. She has never been a part of a good Star Wars movie, and there have been several production screw-ups in the last couple years.

If your point is “she’s successful because her films make the most money” then would you say Michael Bay is also good at what he does? And further, what does it matter to you or I how much money the film makes? In a few years, the film isn’t going to be any more enjoyable or less enjoyable to watch at home because it made $100 million or $500 million at the box office. So what was your point? If you are a Disney shareholder or personally invested money in those films, congrats I guess.

For the record, I agree with Kathleen Kennedy’s decision to part ways with these guys. They were seemingly a very poor fit for a Star Wars movie.

But I also take the side of the directors, that once they were hired, there shouldn’t have been undue micromanagement of THEIR film. It’s a collaborative process, other people, the studio, cast, crew, they are all going to have input and the director(s) need to be able to work with all of these people in a collaborative way, but at some point their vision may become compromised and it’s no longer their film anymore. It sounds like that’s what happened. If Kasdan and Kennedy want to direct the film from the studio, why not just direct it themselves?

All of this could have and should have been solved a long time ago, well before principal photography, in my opinion.

Kathleen Kennedy has been involved with two very well reviewed and financially successful Star Wars movies, and she was a big part of why they were successful. She recognizes what it takes to make a great movie because she has been involved with many great directors on many great movies.

It’s a business. Movies need to make money.

This wasn’t just their movie. Lawrence Kasdan wrote it and he and Kathleen Kennedy had a specific idea of what they wanted. Rian Johnson wrote and directed VIII. That is his movie.

rodneyfaile said:

Kathleen Kennedy has been involved with two very well reviewed and financially successful Star Wars movies, and she was a big part of why they were successful. She recognizes what it takes to make a great movie because she has been involved with many great directors on many great movies.

She hasn’t been involved with any good Star Wars movies. She has been involved with financially successful Star Wars movies, sure. But that’s not relevant to anyone unless you are a Disney shareholder or somehow made money off the movie yourself. If we’re just talking about the quality of the movies and what they will mean to people in a few years time, they are junk.

It’s a business. Movies need to make money.

That’s true, and I agree with you. They do need to make money. But being qualitatively good and being financially successful are not mutually exclusive things in the movie business.

This wasn’t just their movie. Lawrence Kasdan wrote it and he and Kathleen Kennedy had a specific idea of what they wanted. Rian Johnson wrote and directed VIII. That is his movie.

As I said, I agree with Kathleen Kennedy and Lawrence Kasdan. These directors were not a good fit for this movie. But that could have and should have been figured out a long time ago. The studio should fire a director who is arrested and charged by police or comes out as a racist or does something else crazy that would bring tremendously negative PR to the studio and tarnish its image. The studio has an obligation to step in and fire a director if that person starts showing up to work drunk all the time, or is believed to have sexually harassed the cast or crew, or is using drugs on the set. If the studio is getting the dailies and determines the quality of the work is unprofessional, or not in line with what was previously agreed to in pre-production, then sure, the director may need to be replaced.

But I think it’s extraordinarily out of line to hijack the movie from the boardroom and then part ways in the middle of production over “creative differences”. The film is the directors’ film. The studio invests in the vision financially. They decide who to hire. But once the hiring is done, the movie is the director’s vision. That’s what they are hired to do. Certain parameters may be agreed to ahead of time, and certainly there are directors who go into a project knowing they have very little creative control, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here or these guys never would have quit, I’m guessing.

So even though I do agree with Kathleen Kennedy’s take on this, that these two were not right for this project, why didn’t she figure that out a long time ago? Why hire them in the first place? I find it disturbing the way it all went down.

There is most likely a lot more to the story than we’ve been told.

ATMachine said:

It seems especially bizarre that the anthology films – the ones you’d expect directors to have more creative freedom on – are getting the most executive interference, while the Sequel Trilogy apparently has no problems in terms of creative issues.

It seems like Kennedy just wants to make money by exploiting fanboy nostalgia…and we sure can’t have creative people threaten that fanboy market by going outside the box, now can we?

No wonder they’re still keeping Trevorrow on board, because that cinematic atrocity Jurassic World made over a billion dollars by exploiting the same nostalgia market Kennedy wants to capitalize on, and Michael Bay was too busy making Transformers movies.

generalfrevious said:

Well, if they are going to fire Lord and Miller, why not get rid of that offensive hack Trevorrow while they’re at it?

PLEASE…get that man the fuck away from Star Wars. It baffles me that the same people who thought Rian Johnson was the right creative mind to push the story forward in a meaningful way thought Colin was the suitable person to end such a story.

EDIT:

Rian says otherwise.

Maybe they can make a deal for Willow 2 as well.