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Ranking the Batman films — Page 17

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That doesn’t seem like an accurate portrayal of your character.

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  1. Batman (1989) While it’s certainly a product of its age, it’s still a very enjoyable film. Jack Nicholson and Michael Keaton might not be my absolute favorite actors in these roles, their chemistry is the best I’ve seen in a Batman film to date.

  2. The Dark Knight - Ledger is the reason I rank the film as highly as I do. I’ve never liked Bale as Batman, and this film gave me more reason not to like him. Everything about the way he talked ruined it for me. Ledger carried the film. Calling it The Dark Knight was a mistake, because it was Joker’s film.

  3. Batman Returns - Michelle Pfeiffer in latex…That’s all I gotta say. But I will add that I thought Burton improved the overall look this time around. It felt cleaner and less of a product of its time. It had a timeless look to it.

  4. Batman Forever - This film is a turd. There were some things I liked about it, like the score and I thought many of the cast were good choices. I’ve always maintained that Val Kilmer could’ve been one of the best Batmans we ever had, but it’s a lot like Pierce Brosnan in Bond, he just didn’t get a good movie to really prove himself in. Jim Carrey even showed some promise, though I wish we could’ve gotten the real actor I know Jim Carrey is. He’s shown a lot of depth over the years, and to be honest, I think he’s more suited for a Joker.

  5. Batman and Robin - Meh. Funny though, I thought Arnold was entertaining, even though he was nothing like Mr. Freeze.

  6. Batman Begins - This isn’t a Batman movie. It’s a boring Bruce Wayne movie.

Why I didn’t list them

  1. The Dark Knight Rises - Honestly, I saw it, but I didn’t really care enough to give it my full attention. Again, Bale’s Batman is not my cup of tea.

  2. Batman 1966 - Never watched it, so I can’t really be fair. I’ve seen the show at various points, and it seemed a lot of fun, I’m just a child of the darker Batman era.

  3. Animated Universe Batman - Because it’s not fair at all. You get Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamill in a Batman project, it’s definitive.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:

Dek Rollins said:

(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)

They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽

No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.

I can understand thinking that the first Burton Batman movie was a true representation of Batman, but Batman Returns? Batman Forever‽ Batman and Robin‽‽‽ Bat nipples? Bat credit card‽‽‽‽ Sorry, but I’ll take the any of the Nolan films over the final 3 of Burton era easy.

Batman Forever and Batman and Robin aren’t Tim Burton films, they’re Joel Schumacher films, and they suck.

Yes but all four are part of the same series of movies.

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I’ve tried to like Batman Returns because I enjoy Batman '89 so much, but no matter which way I look at it, I can’t stomach it. Most offending is the horrid portrayal of Penguin. If people are going to get hung up on the accuracy of character portrayals, how can anyone find the transformation of that villain from the “Gentleman of Crime” to the disgusting DeVito representation as acceptable is beyond me. People get hung up on the realism of the Nolan trilogy whenever anything unrealistic happens, but Returns even violates the Burton suspension of disbelief on multiple occasions. Last time I watched it, I was determined to enjoy it. And I didn’t.

I agree

Soundtrack is great, though. Danny Elfman is my favorite movie composer, even above John Williams.

*rips up darth-ender’s Star Wars fan membership card and throws him out of the forum*

There is no better movie composer than John Williams.

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Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

And as for Returns, I don’t see how it isn’t a good Batman film.

https://youtu.be/N4_dIwQg3aM?t=2m5s

bad, stupid, silly dialogue?

That’s bad, stupid silly dialogue?

no,no,no. I was saying the movie has a lot of bad, silly, stupid dialogue. I wasn’t talking about that scene. I was giving 3 reasons why the movie isn’t good.

  1. the scene I posted
  2. bad silly stupid dialogue
  3. terrible penguin

Edit: There is bad dialogue in thin scene I posted. “Who are you? Who’s the man behind the bat? Maybe you can help me find the woman behind the cat”

How many movies have you seen?

a lot.

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Ok, what bad stupid silly dialogue are you talking about then?

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Sorry, I don’t watch youtube video reviews. And I certainly look close at them.

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Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

Dek Rollins said:

Warbler said:

(Replying to this post from the “[fill in the blank] Just Died!” Thread:

Dek Rollins said:

(Don’t even mention Chris Nolan, those films aren’t Batman or even comic book at all.)

They aren’t‽‽‽‽‽

No, they aren’t. I actually like TDK as a movie (Though there are still some problems in there), but it still isn’t a true representation of Batman as far as I’m concerned. And none of Nolan’s films are good comic book movies. Everything about them is realism-driven, which just makes it worse when something unrealistic happens, and even aside from that, I don’t want a comic book movie that tries to distance itself from being a comic book. If you like them, that’s fine. I much prefer the wonderful comic book world of Burton’s films.

I can understand thinking that the first Burton Batman movie was a true representation of Batman, but Batman Returns? Batman Forever‽ Batman and Robin‽‽‽ Bat nipples? Bat credit card‽‽‽‽ Sorry, but I’ll take the any of the Nolan films over the final 3 of Burton era easy.

Batman Forever and Batman and Robin aren’t Tim Burton films, they’re Joel Schumacher films, and they suck.

Yes but all four are part of the same series of movies.

When someone says “Burton films” they are talking about the films Tim Burton directed.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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TV’s Frink said:

Sorry, I don’t watch youtube video reviews.

What he posted isn’t even an actual review, it’s just CinemaSins. They list various nitpick problems for humorous effect, though they frequently list actual problems when the film is poorly made enough, like TDKR. I don’t think their videos on either Batman or Returns list any serious issues, probably because they’re both good movies.

Army of Darkness: The Medieval Deadit | The Terminator - Color Regrade | The Wrong Trousers - Audio Preservation
SONIC RACES THROUGH THE GREEN FIELDS.
THE SUN RACES THROUGH A BLUE SKY FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.
THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN. SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.
DON’T GIVE UP ON THE SUN. DON’T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.

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I don’t think I’ve listed this yet, so:

  1. Mask of the Phantasm
  2. Batman: The Movie (1966)
  3. Batman (1989)
  4. The Dark Knight
  5. Batman Begins
  6. Batman Returns
  7. Batman Forever
  8. The Dark Knight Rises
  9. Batman & Robin
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Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry, I don’t watch youtube video reviews.

What he posted isn’t even an actual review, it’s just CinemaSins. They list various nitpick problems for humorous effect, though they frequently list actual problems when the film is poorly made enough, like TDKR. I don’t think their videos on either Batman or Returns list any serious issues, probably because they’re both good movies.

The room.

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EyeShotFirst said:

  1. Batman and Robin

  2. Batman Begins

This is silly, and I don’t even like Begins.

Well, my reasoning is due to the fact that Batman Begins is a lot of boring origin building that has been shown countless times throughout history. For 80% of the film, he isn’t even Batman. At least Batman and Robin was a Batman movie…as shitty as it was. Plus Arnold singing along to A Year Without A Santa Claus deserved an oscar nom.

"The other versions will disappear. Even the 35 million tapes of Star Wars out there won’t last more than 30 or 40 years. A hundred years from now, the only version of the movie that anyone will remember will be the DVD version [of the Special Edition], and you’ll be able to project it on a 20’ by 40’ screen with perfect quality. I think it’s the director’s prerogative, not the studio’s to go back and reinvent a movie." - George Lucas

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I have been reading Batman comics for a lot of years and I think it is safe to say that no one film has ever really captured the look and feel of Batman properly. There have been allusions and homages and certainly past directors have sought to incorporate iconic images into their films, a young Bruce Wayne kneeling by his parents’ bodies in Begins is taken directly from Batman Year One for example, and of course most recently with Batfleck and his Dark Knight Returns armor in BvS.

The work that Tim Burton did was pretty amazing, classic story telling and it worked in spite of its inaccuracies (Batman is Mr. Mom?!?; the Joker killed the Wayne’s!!!..uuhhh no) because Burton is a master story teller. This is the same reason Schumachers’ films sucked so badly, he is not anywhere near the craftsman Burton is and when he attempted to ape the earlier films, he failed miserably…Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face anyone…

And this is why WB felt like they had to do something 180deg removed from their previous attempts and hire someone who would ground the myth in reality, or as mush reality as possible when trying to make a film about a guy who dresses in his pajamas and fights criminals. So gone were the big sound stages and neon colors, replaced with real life locations and the muted tones of a vigilante who might actually be able to exist somewhere in the world. In my opinion, it is this same realism that caused so many problems for Rises…the myriad of things that failed to live up to that realistic standard could not be overlooked and there the Emperor sat in his new clothes.

Batman: Mask of the Phantasm
Batman Begins
The Dark Knight
Batman (1989)
The Dark Knight Rises
Batman Returns
BvS (No Justice Fan edit)
Batman 1966 TV Movie…some days a guy just can’t rid of a bomb

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Dek Rollins said:

TV’s Frink said:

Sorry, I don’t watch youtube video reviews.

What he posted isn’t even an actual review, it’s just CinemaSins. They list various nitpick problems for humorous effect, though they frequently list actual problems when the film is poorly made enough, like TDKR. I don’t think their videos on either Batman or Returns list any serious issues, probably because they’re both good movies.

How can I take your opinions on the Batman movies seriously when you hate Toy Story 2? 😉

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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

Ok.

Keep in mind I don’t read comic books and don’t care about superheroes. I just like Burton’s two Batman films on their own merits.

What merit(s) do you think Batman Returns has?

Most of them?

The characters are great, even The Penguin. The movie looks great. The score is great (one of the few I still listen to).

It’s not a perfect movie by any stretch but I really enjoy it.

How can I take your opinions on the Batman movies seriously when you’re…you?

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darth_ender said:

I’ve tried to like Batman Returns because I enjoy Batman '89 so much, but no matter which way I look at it, I can’t stomach it. Most offending is the horrid portrayal of Penguin. If people are going to get hung up on the accuracy of character portrayals, how can anyone find the transformation of that villain from the “Gentleman of Crime” to the disgusting DeVito representation as acceptable is beyond me. People get hung up on the realism of the Nolan trilogy whenever anything unrealistic happens, but Returns even violates the Burton suspension of disbelief on multiple occasions. Last time I watched it, I was determined to enjoy it. And I didn’t.

I agree

Soundtrack is great, though. Danny Elfman is my favorite movie composer, even above John Williams.

*rips up darth-ender’s Star Wars fan membership card and throws him out of the forum*

There is no better movie composer than John Williams.

In terms of technical skill, there is no doubt that John Williams is better. But Elfman has a way of evoking such powerful emotions, I can not help but love his work more.

Don’t get me wrong, I love John Williams. I just love Danny Elfman more.