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Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/321152-pence-mixes-up-nicaraguan-and-israeli-flags-in-tweet

WTF

My six-year-old is learning about flags right now and apparently would make a better VP.

The flag is so small in the tweet, that I can’t tell what is in the center.

Especially on a mobile device. The flags look almost identical.

If I were someone important like Vice President of the United States, and I were wasting time tweeting, I’d take another wasted minute to make sure I grabbed the correct flag.

TV’s Frink said:

I sure hope so, but I’m worried about the Bernie bros throwing another fit because they didn’t get their again.

Maybe Bernie’s supporters are justifiably upset over the way he was treated by the DNC and the apparent corruption in that organization, and this vote could be interpreted as more of the same from a party that claims to be for the people while it continues to sell out to corporate interests. This is exactly the kind of behavior that led to the Tea Party, and I’m not liberal enough for a Democrat equivalent to show up and crash the party in 2018.

Bernie’s supporters are justified in being upset how the DNC acted, no question…and yet nothing justified refusing to vote for Clinton and potentially helping Trump get elected, because Trump is a billion times worse. Sometimes being an adult means making a choice you don’t like because the only alternative is worse. Bernie supporters that further abandon the Democratic Party deserve the kind of things that are happening and will continue to happen under Trump (as does anyone who voted for him).

I’ll admit to not being terribly familiar with Tom Perez, but I got the sense that his equivalency with the “establishment” is overblown anyway.

JEDIT: Or maybe that the establishment wanted him but he’s more progressive than the Clinton wing of the party.

JEDIT2: I would have been perfectly happy with Ellison…or President Sanders, for that matter. I loathe the infighting more than the specifics that cause it.

Telling people that “being an adult” means falling in line and doing what you’d prefer they do is exactly the kind of smug attitude that has gotten the DNC and the Democratic Party where they are today, so keep it up if you want more of the same.

I don’t have a voice. No one is listening to me, so I’m free to be honest. If I were giving interviews on TV I certainly wouldn’t be saying these things, but that doesn’t make them any less true. As I said above, if you lived in the three swing states and you didn’t vote for Hillary because of the DNC, you help elected Trump. And to me that was a childish calculation to make.

And last I checked, Hillary got over 3 million more votes than Trump. You honestly think this loss is about Bernie supporters failing to show up?

It was about all sorts of things, given how close it was in those three states. Racism, sexism, the economy, Hillary, Comey, Wikileaks, the DNC, Breitbart/Infowars/fake news, you name it. It all contributed.

And if you do believe that, do you think talking to them as if they’re children and demeaning them with pet names is going to help your cause?

I don’t have a cause, I’m not trying to get anyone to change their vote here. I’m just telling the truth as I see it. Anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary helped Trump, and anyone in a swing state who refused to vote for Hillary because of what the DNC did was making a childish (or at least a foolish) calculation.

Maybe the DNC – and the country as a whole – need 4 years of chaos to wake them up to the reality that they’ve lost touch with most Americans.

Well we get what we deserve.

I voted for Hillary because I understood how much worse Trump is. Even Sanders eventually got it but some of his followers didn’t listen to him.

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DominicCobb said:

I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.

I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.

What exactly is happening now? What “abhorrent” things are going on because of the Trump administration? I must have missed it whatever it is. I mean, If you don’t like him or what he’s doing, that’s fine, but I don’t have any recollection of some mass suffering that began to occur in America after Trump’s first couple weeks in office.

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Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.

I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.

What exactly is happening now? What “abhorrent” things are going on because of the Trump administration? I must have missed it whatever it is. I mean, If you don’t like him or what he’s doing, that’s fine, but I don’t have any recollection of some mass suffering that began to occur in America after Trump’s first couple weeks in office.

I guess you aren’t a Muslim who lives here and couldn’t get back in. Or a Mexican mother separated from her children. Or a Mexican woman with a brain tumor kicked out of the country. Or an Indian man shot and killed just because he was in this country working for Garmin. Or a trans student who can’t use the correct bathroom anymore. Or live in a place where your drinking water can now be lawfully poisoned by coal companies. There’s also this.

I bet there’s lots more I’m forgetting as well…

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TV’s Frink said:

Dek Rollins said:

DominicCobb said:

I don’t think Bernie bros necessarily lost the election for her, but they didn’t help. The Hitlerly is the devil sort of rhetoric they pushed really demonized her for a lot of people. I mean, yeah she’s not great, yeah she’s a two faced politician, but people got too caught up on that narrative and failed to see how much worse the alternative was.

I don’t think anyone needs chaos on this scale. What is happening to the country now is abhorrent. Just because the DNC slipped too far into the status quo doesn’t mean they, or any of the millions of Americans being affected, deserve what is happening now.

What exactly is happening now? What “abhorrent” things are going on because of the Trump administration? I must have missed it whatever it is. I mean, If you don’t like him or what he’s doing, that’s fine, but I don’t have any recollection of some mass suffering that began to occur in America after Trump’s first couple weeks in office.

I guess you aren’t a Muslim who lives here and couldn’t get back in.

I don’t agree with the extent of the immigration ban.

Or a Mexican mother separated from her children.

If a person is an illegal alien, that’s a fault their own (or their parents). I don’t understand why they wouldn’t (or wouldn’t be able to) take their families with them when being deported.

Or a Mexican woman with a brain tumor kicked out of the country. Or an Indian man shot and killed just because he was in this country working for Garmin.

Neither Trump, nor his administration as president, ever told the American public to commit crimes of violence based on racial prejudice. These are terrible people who have always been here.

Or a trans student who can’t use the correct bathroom anymore.

If this is about “gender identity,” then good.

There’s also this.

I really don’t have much to say about that, but I don’t think it’s strictly Trump’s fault. It is probably more so the liberals and the media who cried “Racism!” and “Sexism!” at everything Trump did who normalized this idea of hatred for the public. Probably an unpopular opinion, and I’m also not trying to defend Trump as a person, but I think that is probably a big factor in it.

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Trump and Bannon and the like have done everything possible to encourage hate and violence, short of literally coming out and saying “go assault or kill people that are different than you.”

The idea that liberals and the media are more to blame for this is insane.

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As we live in a era of cheap, practically disposable cell phones, I think Mr. Spicer has his work cut out for him. And there have been leaks long before cell phones even existed.

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Jeebus said:

TV’s Frink said:

Jay said:

TV’s Frink said:

I sure hope so, but I’m worried about the Bernie bros throwing another fit because they didn’t get their again.

Maybe Bernie’s supporters are justifiably upset over the way he was treated by the DNC and the apparent corruption in that organization, and this vote could be interpreted as more of the same from a party that claims to be for the people while it continues to sell out to corporate interests. This is exactly the kind of behavior that led to the Tea Party, and I’m not liberal enough for a Democrat equivalent to show up and crash the party in 2018.

Bernie’s supporters are justified in being upset how the DNC acted, no question…and yet nothing justified refusing to vote for Clinton and potentially helping Trump get elected,

Plenty Bernie supporters voted for Hillary. And it isn’t the fault of Bernie supporters that Hillary was a bad candidate that people couldn’t stomach voting for.

and yet they could stomach voting for Trump???

Sometimes being an adult means making a choice you don’t like because the only alternative is worse.

Those are hollow words.

Those are b.s. words. Frink is absolutely correct. Sometimes you have to choose between the lesser of two evils.

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Warbler said:

and yet they could stomach voting for Trump???

More likely they didn’t vote at all because their candidate wasn’t available so they decided posting about it on facebook would be more productive.

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Yup. Or they voted for Stein or Johnson. Regardless, they share the blame.

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Being hyperbolic, spewing buzzwords at people, yelling at them that they’re wrong about everything, calling them demeaning names, shutting down all conversation by calling someone a Racist! Sexist! Homophobe! Bigot! is why Trump won. People got sick of being patronised by people who refuse to step outside their own little echo chamber.
The Dems clearly want 8 years instead of just 4.

Salon as a source? What’s next, Buzzfeed? Talk about journalistic integrity.
Hopefully a right winger can start linking Brietbart so the extreme sides of both views can be represented.

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Oh good, you’re here too.

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Ryan-SWI said:

Salon as a source? What’s next, Buzzfeed? Talk about journalistic integrity.
Hopefully a right winger can start linking Brietbart so the extreme sides of both views can be represented.

Point out the parts that are factually incorrect. I chose those because they summarized the incidents I was referring to.

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I didn’t say they were factually incorrect, just that linking to it is about as credible as linking to a Wikipedia article, if a Wikipedia article had clickbait titles and sensationalised dribble sprinkled throughout.

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Ryan-SWI said:

I didn’t say they were factually incorrect, just that linking to it is about as credible as linking to a Wikipedia article, if a Wikipedia article had clickbait titles and sensationalised dribble sprinkled throughout.

The incidents still occurred. If your only point is “Salon sucks!” then your only point is duly noted.

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Here’s an argument then.
They’re illegal immigrants.
Cherry picking a few in terrible circumstances to try and paint this picture of Trump being an evil dictator is disingenuous.
Or is the law suddenly not something we have to take into consideration because feelings? Wonderful, we can start running the nation solely on feelings, who needs laws anyway right?

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You and Trump want to make it so that people who have been here 20 years can’t report a crime to police, can’t get help when their piece of shit American citizen boyfriend beats them, will be separated from their kids, and risk freezing to death because they can’t go to a hypothermia shelter.

No one is saying that violent criminals shouldn’t be deported.

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we can start running the nation solely on feelings, who needs laws anyway right?

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Being hyperbolic

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The law is not "you can illegally come here so long as you’re not a bad guy"
The law is you cannot illegally come here
You can’t just bend and shape laws to suit your needs based on how you feel about a particular topic. Who gets to sit in the courtroom and be the feelings judge, deciding which cases should be dismissed because you feel bad? You?
What a great basis for a justice system.

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Yeah because that’s what I said.

There are plenty of legitimate issues to criticise Trump on, sensationalising and distorting facts to suit one agenda or another doesn’t accomplish anything.

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What facts am I distorting?