This is one amazingly bad book cover:
I like how everyone has been photoshopped: Qui-Gon lost his saber, E1 Obi-Wan’s face on E2 Obi-Wan, Padmé’s head from another pic, Anakin in someone else’s robe and some woman on Obi-Wan’s body.
It’s beautiful when you really think about it. It must have taken considerable effort to make the cover that bad.
I assumed it was fake. Apparently it’s not.
I assumed it was fake. Apparently it’s not.
It wasn’t covered by the lamestream media, so it’s real.
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I remember that book.
Legends EU or Current EU?
CGI The Clone Wars was sweet. Managed to watch it in Chronological order and is far better compared to the Prequels. REBELS is decent and I’m all caught up. Except the last two episodes from Season 3 I haven’t watched yet. Too busy with other things. But that’s what I LIKE.
Really hope Mara Jade doesn’t return to current canon. Can’t think of anything else.
Legends EU or Current EU?
Both.
Really hope Mara Jade doesn’t return to current canon. Can’t think of anything else.
It annoys me that Lucasfilm doesn’t declare any material based off The Clone Wars to be purely canon, and not part of the EU, as it contradicts so much previously established stuff. Anakin being Obi-Wan’s Padawan until the end of the war - nope! Asajj Ventress’s backstory - changed! Anakin not having an apprentice - yeah right! Mandalorians being proud warriors few in number - of course not! It works along side the canon timeline, but really messes up the EU.
Not enough people read the EU.
Here’s my rewrite of the EU: Dark Empire occurs immediately after ROTJ, then the rest of the non-crap parts of the post-ROTJ, pre-Vong EU happen (for example, Thrawn happens without Joruus, The Crystal Star doesn’t happen, etc.), the Vong would be a dark side civilization and the corrupters of the first Sith like they were originally intended to be and they’d serve the Sith gods referenced here and there in the EU. After fighting this dark side civilization, the Skywalkers would battle the Sith gods. Once all the Sith gods are killed, everyone would live happily ever after.
As soon as I found out that Dark Empire was a thing, I immediately swore to never read it.
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IMO, Dark Empire isn’t all that bad; its greatest sin is glossing over events which the writer really should’ve went in-depth into.
Its sequels, on the other hand, are rather dire. There was the germ of a good plot in there – Luke’s nascent Jedi Order taking on the last of Palpatine’s Dark Side Elite – but it was overshadowed and ultimately smothered beneath yet another return of Palpatine which ended on a very stupid note.
Dark Empire is mostly pretty fascinating. Kind of crosses over into the surreal almost. Worth a read to see something so different than what you’d expect a SW story to look like.
For me, as soon as I found out that the Vong invasion was a thing, I immediately swore to never read anything dealing with it.
Dark Empire is an OK take on a premise that’s inherently hard to write well. The Emperor returning in a clone body is something that sounds like a bad fanfic.
Especially since cloning tech was so little seen during the OT. If there had been more emphasis on it during the movies up to that point, it might have been more acceptable. As it is, it feels like a not-really-justified way to get the Emperor back into SW.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Yeah the premise is definitely pretty silly and super fanfic-y, but I think it ends up working because it doesn’t feel like SW at all (which, in contrast, a fanfic would try very hard to do). So it just feels like a weird, fun curiosity.
As soon as I found out that Dark Empire was a thing, I immediately swore to never read it.
Read it just for the amazing artwork.
Not enough people read the EU.
I actually read a few of the Legacy comics and they’re not that bad but they’re not particularly good either. The only reason I could recommend someone reading them is if you’re interested in Darth Krayt. Supposedly he’s stronger than Bane or Sidious.
Is he a dragon?
He’s (SPOILERS?) actually a PT-era Jedi who named himself that for reasons pertaining to his character.
Wasn’t the point of Legacy to try and put themselves as far flung from the PT/OT era as possible while still allowing for ghost Luke, or do I have that mixed up with a different comic line? A PT era character seems out of line with that.
It didn’t stop the writer from rehashing everything from those eras, only more EXTREME!!!
Didn’t like the Rule of Two? Well here’s the Rule of One – ie. one Sith Lord ruling over an order of thousands of Sith.
Like Darth Maul? Well now every Sith is Darth Maul!
Found the Great Jedi Purge underwhelming? Well here’s another Jedi purge to make up for it.
Didn’t like that the New Republic eventually beat the Empire? Well here’s the Empire back again.
Legacy was the nadir of the Expanded Universe. It exposed for all to see just how bereft of originality the EU was by that point.
That’s unfortunate. I would’ve liked to have seen a proper future for the Star Wars Universe. The political landscape could be so far removed from what we’re used to (with the Galactic Civil war being as far back to them as the American Civil War is to us), the characters facing radically different social issues from those in the main saga.
EDIT: I should really take the time to notice that the forum drops you off on the last page you’ve read, which is not the same as the last page on the thread.
Dark Empire is mostly pretty fascinating. Kind of crosses over into the surreal almost. Worth a read to see something so different than what you’d expect a SW story to look like.
That’s exactly why I really like Dark Empire.
I’ve always felt that he EU is the place where writers/illustrators should take chances and make stories set in the SW universe without having to conform to the movie-aesthetic. They don’t really do that anymore, and I personally think it makes the EU somewhat bland and predictable.
Dark Empire is an OK take on a premise that’s inherently hard to write well. The Emperor returning in a clone body is something that sounds like a bad fanfic.
Especially since cloning tech was so little seen during the OT. If there had been more emphasis on it during the movies up to that point, it might have been more acceptable. As it is, it feels like a not-really-justified way to get the Emperor back into SW.
Well, people tend to gloss over that Palpatine wasn’t just cloned in Dark Empire. The post-PT Palpatine has become just a regular sith, but back when DE was written he was seen as much more of an mysterious ancient evil type of character. And he does specify in the comics that he has the ability to transfer his soul (or “Force ghost” I guess) into other living beings. His clones are essentially just empty shells. Also being pre-ROTS they seemed to imply that his use of the Dark Side drained him of life, hence his appearance and rapid aging.
(I would also personally say that cloning not appearing in the OT was more of an opportunity to do something new than some kind of inconsistency. We hardly get much of a look at the galaxy at large in the three OT movies, but we do know that it exists/existed. Only using what was seen in the OT would many a lot of limitations.)
Am I the only one here who genuinely likes Dark Empire?
The first one that is. DE II pushed everything a tad too far, and Empire’s End was simply underwhelming and dull. But I do feel that DE I is a great example of the EU taking the SW characters into different territory and making something that’s both familiar and vastly different at the same time. I even think the story I quite good, and I feel that a lot of the so called “inconsistencies” are quite nitpicky, and some times even evidence of people not having read it in the first place. The only big critique I personally have of DE I is how oddly it’s placed within the overall canon. And that doesn’t really impact any part of the story other than the opening crawl in the first issue.
Overall I think DE I was a great way of further exploring the conflict between Luke and the Emperor, and Luke and the Dark Side, which as many people tend to agree on, was very rushed and downplayed in ROTJ. DE I is the dark Luke story that the movies never could explore, and then some.
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I like Dark Empire. Hell, I like it more than ROTJ by a large margin.
I like Dark Empire. Hell, I like it more than ROTJ by a large margin.
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ZkinandBonez said:
The only big critique I personally have of DE I is how oddly it’s placed within the overall canon.
Veitch wrote Dark Empire with the intention of it occuring immediately after ROTJ, but Zahn didn’t want to reference Dark Empire in the Thrawn trilogy, so Lucasfilm forced Veitch to move Dark Empire to after the Thrawn trilogy. The timeline should have been ROTJ - Dark Empire - X-Wing - Thrawn.
I like Dark Empire. Hell, I like it more than ROTJ by a large margin.
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Are you repetitive, asinine, and boring?
Yes.
Evil Luke has just never appealed to me. The idea seems contrary to everything I like about the character. But that’s just me.
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Evil Luke has just never appealed to me. The idea seems contrary to everything I like about the character. But that’s just me.
He isn’t evil, he’s kind of just grey, like a darker version of ROTJ Luke. He pretends to be evil to learn more force-y stuff.
Not enough people read the EU.
^This.
I didn’t hate it at all, but I was rather disappointed with the Darth Plagueis novel. I read Cloak of Deception and Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter prior to reading Plagueis, because I knew they were referenced in it, and I honestly preferred them both. I’m not sure, but the novel only grabbed me and held me in suspense for a handful of scenes. There’s nothing objectively terrible with it, but I felt that it was overrated and I was disappointed whilst reading it.
Not enough people read the EU.
The only really good things to come out of the EU are PC games and mods. Namely X-wing, Tie-Fighter and the Thrawn’s Revenge mod for FoC
